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Mardelin · 09-07-2006, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by k2p1e

DO you mean ruin them because you do not know how to deal with them when they are being stubborn or understanding what they need to make them show better?

I worked with a handler in the show I was in, Barb was fabulous (when we were done she gave us a huge applause even though she was the only one it was still appreciated!). She said to watch the other handlers, pref handlers and owner handlers, look at who was winning. She said that showing is a dance, every step counts, be fluid, do not draw attneiton to you but rather melt inot the background so the show is your dog. How you move will affect you dog.

Yes, that's exactly what I mean. My Go-Go had the tendancy to lead with her head, pull on the lead. My handler got her over that hump with his methods. He also, really worked with her to figure out what was needed to make her show to her best potential. It wasn't that she didn't like the ring, it's she just wanted to strut her stuff when she was ready.....not good when you needed her to shine when the judge was watching.

She is absolutely correct. You are to be a back drop. Any correction should be unnoticed by the judge or spectator. Once you learn how to present a dog. It becomes second nature. Every dog is different.

Mardelin · 09-07-2006, 09:41 AM

I forgot to add. Professional handlers are good, they know their craft well and can finish a dead cat. The owner/handlers that have been in it along time and are winning are the ones I tend to watch more. It's not say that I don't ask for advice from a Professional Handler when I need it, I do. They're really very helpful.

k2p1e · 09-07-2006, 10:46 AM

Finish a dead cat! lol I almost spit out my tea!

I think the best I ever saw was when one girl I took a handling class with (nice girl) was showing her french bulldog. She beat a prof handler and went up to her afterward and thanked her, becuase she has been competing agaisnt this handler for over 2 years and always lost to her. But she said she kept watching the handler, seeing what the handler did differently and boom, beat her 2 shows in a row. The handler was quite flattered.

When I showed the std poodle I talked with the prof handler, he said that my poodle had a better build but bevause he was only a 6 months and did not show well he would beat us with a poorer built poodle and he did, he could show that poodle so all eyes were on him and amazed.

Mardelin · 09-07-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by k2p1e

Finish a dead cat! lol I almost spit out my tea!

I think the best I ever saw was when one girl I took a handling class with (nice girl) was showing her french bulldog. She beat a prof handler and went up to her afterward and thanked her, becuase she has been competing agaisnt this handler for over 2 years and always lost to her. But she said she kept watching the handler, seeing what the handler did differently and boom, beat her 2 shows in a row. The handler was quite flattered.

When I showed the std poodle I talked with the prof handler, he said that my poodle had a better build but bevause he was only a 6 months and did not show well he would beat us with a poorer built poodle and he did, he could show that poodle so all eyes were on him and amazed.

Have you read George Aliston's Book "The Winning Edge" great book. He talks about going in the ring with the attitude that your dog is the best, otherwise you might as well forget it. He talks about he can assess your dog in a matter of seconds and know how to beat you. He also has a video you can watch on your computer....I think you can do a google search on IAMS or Eckanuba to watch it. Very, very good.

YorkieRose · 09-08-2006, 07:14 AM

If you buy from a reputable breeder and I could name a dozen to start, the dog will be what you paid for or replaced...it will not be 12 weeks, it will be in the contract to be finishable and it will not be a pig in a poke.

k2p1e · 09-08-2006, 12:28 PM

That is more reassuring.

I know it rarely happens but my greatest fear is being somwhat sure of my "show" dog into the ring I go and being excused for a major fault I was too ignorant to recognize...(actually this would be a nightmare!!). Realistically I know this will not happen (hence the numerous questions, and research and waiting) but still I would prefer not to have that happen!

Mardelin · 09-08-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by k2p1e

That is more reassuring.

I know it rarely happens but my greatest fear is being somwhat sure of my "show" dog into the ring I go and being excused for a major fault I was too ignorant to recognize...(actually this would be a nightmare!!). Realistically I know this will not happen (hence the numerous questions, and research and waiting) but still I would prefer not to have that happen!

There are only a couple of things you can be excused for, no testicles, a cripple or lame dog, the dog does not want to be examined, and/or is aggresive to the point of danger.

There are is no dismissal in the yorkie standard.

Now if you're talking about yourself, just be pleasant, don't abuse your dog, and be a wonderful, winner or loser

k2p1e · 09-08-2006, 01:05 PM

No I do not worry about my behaviour, lol. You will never see me leave the ring huffy! There is nothing I hate more then bad sports!!!! Especially at a dog show, after you they did pay to get a judges opinion of their dog and they got it...lol.
I used to curl at provincial level in my teens, we would deal with some very high strung bad losers and winners....nicest compliment I ever got was from a former competitor who said I was always nice to play against.

Mardelin · 09-08-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by k2p1e

No I do not worry about my behaviour, lol. You will never see me leave the ring huffy! There is nothing I hate more then bad sports!!!! Especially at a dog show, after you they did pay to get a judges opinion of their dog and they got it...lol.
I used to curl at provincial level in my teens, we would deal with some very high strung bad losers and winners....nicest compliment I ever got was from a former competitor who said I was always nice to play against.

I was really saying this in jest......

k2p1e · 09-08-2006, 01:14 PM

Oh I know! lol

But i was thinking of the woman who I saw last November...yikes!! She was so angry she would not accept her ribbon, stormed out, complained to anyone in earshot, yelled at her breeder who was there (we were camped out with her breeder and had front row seats) because her breeder beat her, gathered her things and made a loud exit!

She was so mad it was ugly! lol Some people need to get over themselves...(or their dogs).

Mardelin · 09-08-2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by k2p1e

Oh I know! lol

But i was thinking of the woman who I saw last November...yikes!! She was so angry she would not accept her ribbon, stormed out, complained to anyone in earshot, yelled at her breeder who was there (we were camped out with her breeder and had front row seats) because her breeder beat her, gathered her things and made a loud exit!

She was so mad it was ugly! lol Some people need to get over themselves...(or their dogs).

I don't know about Canada, but in the states she could have been dismissed and/or fined from participating in any AKC events

Some people don't understand it's just a dog show and it won't solve the age old problem of obtaining world peace

k2p1e · 09-08-2006, 01:30 PM

Some people take EVERYTHING personally. I do not have a thick skin in some cases but in winning and losing no problem, live and learn.
We never got a point, in that show we were in, but we learned, talked to people, got to go in the ring. The experience was great.

I am not sure about CKC but no one bothered to step in, I think everyone was enjoying the performance too much.

09-07-2006, 09:41 AM	#17
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	I forgot to add. Professional handlers are good, they know their craft well and can finish a dead cat. The owner/handlers that have been in it along time and are winning are the ones I tend to watch more. It's not say that I don't ask for advice from a Professional Handler when I need it, I do. They're really very helpful. __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers*

09-07-2006, 10:46 AM	#18
k2p1e Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NB Posts: 212	Finish a dead cat! lol I almost spit out my tea! I think the best I ever saw was when one girl I took a handling class with (nice girl) was showing her french bulldog. She beat a prof handler and went up to her afterward and thanked her, becuase she has been competing agaisnt this handler for over 2 years and always lost to her. But she said she kept watching the handler, seeing what the handler did differently and boom, beat her 2 shows in a row. The handler was quite flattered. When I showed the std poodle I talked with the prof handler, he said that my poodle had a better build but bevause he was only a 6 months and did not show well he would beat us with a poorer built poodle and he did, he could show that poodle so all eyes were on him and amazed. __________________ Carla Reggie and Kenzie "Every puppy should have a boy"

09-08-2006, 07:14 AM	#20
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Jmo If you buy from a reputable breeder and I could name a dozen to start, the dog will be what you paid for or replaced...it will not be 12 weeks, it will be in the contract to be finishable and it will not be a pig in a poke.

09-08-2006, 12:28 PM	#21
k2p1e Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NB Posts: 212	That is more reassuring. I know it rarely happens but my greatest fear is being somwhat sure of my "show" dog into the ring I go and being excused for a major fault I was too ignorant to recognize...(actually this would be a nightmare!!). Realistically I know this will not happen (hence the numerous questions, and research and waiting) but still I would prefer not to have that happen! __________________ Carla Reggie and Kenzie "Every puppy should have a boy"

09-08-2006, 01:05 PM	#23
k2p1e Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NB Posts: 212	No I do not worry about my behaviour, lol. You will never see me leave the ring huffy! There is nothing I hate more then bad sports!!!! Especially at a dog show, after you they did pay to get a judges opinion of their dog and they got it...lol. I used to curl at provincial level in my teens, we would deal with some very high strung bad losers and winners....nicest compliment I ever got was from a former competitor who said I was always nice to play against. __________________ Carla Reggie and Kenzie "Every puppy should have a boy"

09-08-2006, 01:14 PM	#25
k2p1e Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NB Posts: 212	Oh I know! lol But i was thinking of the woman who I saw last November...yikes!! She was so angry she would not accept her ribbon, stormed out, complained to anyone in earshot, yelled at her breeder who was there (we were camped out with her breeder and had front row seats) because her breeder beat her, gathered her things and made a loud exit! She was so mad it was ugly! lol Some people need to get over themselves...(or their dogs). __________________ Carla Reggie and Kenzie "Every puppy should have a boy"

09-08-2006, 01:30 PM	#27
k2p1e Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NB Posts: 212	Some people take EVERYTHING personally. I do not have a thick skin in some cases but in winning and losing no problem, live and learn. We never got a point, in that show we were in, but we learned, talked to people, got to go in the ring. The experience was great. I am not sure about CKC but no one bothered to step in, I think everyone was enjoying the performance too much. __________________ Carla Reggie and Kenzie "Every puppy should have a boy"