Parti Color? YTCA?

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by puppylove11

I have to agree with Breny! What a doll!

Thank you!!

[Cares4Dogs]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Does this include any of those yorkies that get spray painted before every AKC show?

im sorry, but

You caught me off guard and I about fell out of my chair

[Julia Howard]

Way to go Karen.

[Breezeaway]

Well we now have facts of a parti color puppy that was born into the Wildweir Kennel in Dec of 1976 from their lines. Joan and Janet did AKC register this puppy. His name was Wildweir Triplicate (named after his tri colors). One would ask why did they register him?
Parti colors have been around thru-out history, Yes they can pop up in any line.
The parti owners understand that the YTCA does not want to change the standard to include these dogs, We don't want the standard to be changed we just want a variation of the yorkie. Change is good every now again. Just think what the world would be without change.
Nothing lasts for ever.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Yorkshire Terrier puppies can be born of colors that automatically deprive them of the necessary qualities to be come the proper colors of the breed. Puppies incorrectly colored or marked, should not be sold as "rare" anything. They should not be registered, but should simply be found a loving home.

I understand from a YTCA breeders perspective that a parti isn't desired within their lines. It is agreed that even show breeders have had an off color appear in a litter, if they are sold as a pet why should they not be registered? Is it because the breeder doesn't want anyone to know of the off color in their lines?

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Well we now have facts of a parti color puppy that was born into the Wildweir Kennel in Dec of 1976 from their lines. Joan and Janet did AKC register this puppy. His name was Wildweir Triplicate (named after his tri colors). One would ask why did they register him?
Parti colors have been around thru-out history, Yes they can pop up in any line.
The parti owners understand that the YTCA does not want to change the standard to include these dogs, We don't want the standard to be changed we just want a variation of the yorkie. Change is good every now again. Just think what the world would be without change.
Nothing lasts for ever.

Thank you for this information. It's good to know of his registration and I wish all breeders would follow this example and be honest about their lines.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

Well we now have facts of a parti color puppy that was born into the Wildweir Kennel in Dec of 1976 from their lines. Joan and Janet did AKC register this puppy. His name was Wildweir Triplicate (named after his tri colors). One would ask why did they register him?
Parti colors have been around thru-out history, Yes they can pop up in any line.
The parti owners understand that the YTCA does not want to change the standard to include these dogs, We don't want the standard to be changed we just want a variation of the yorkie. Change is good every now again. Just think what the world would be without change.
Nothing lasts for ever.

Exactly. No one from the YTCA will even address this. They keep preaching about protecting the standard. Just how would adding a variety class hurt the blue/tan standard Yorkshire? Seriously...can someone who believes this please answer that question.

Adding a variety class for the parti will not change the original standard of the breed one bit. They would not even show in the same ring until group. I just do not understand the rampant fear and bigotry the YTCA and it's members have concerning the parti being allowed a variety class. Especially after all the evidence that the color has been in the breed for years and years now. If Joan Gordon had parti's show up in her lines...that just about kills the notion the YTCA holds that the color is the result of a designer or mixed breed.

Unless Joan owned Shih Tzu's too.

[Breny]

Originally Posted by Cares4Dogs

im sorry, but

You caught me off guard and I about fell out of my chair

LOl Me too! Sad thing is, its true.

[Breny]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

The parti owners understand that the YTCA does not want to change the standard to include these dogs, We don't want the standard to be changed we just want a variation of the yorkie. Change is good every now again. Just think what the world would be without change.
Nothing lasts for ever.

Very nicely said

[Brooklynn]

Well first of all I would register the litter if it threw a parti but it would be spayed or neutered and then the parents as well. I don't breed for parti's nor would I "KILL" "CULL" as you call it, any healthy living, breathing animal just because of color!
I'm sorry but as I see what's being posted is just trying to justify breeding off colors to please the public hence the words supply and demand. You can't show them so therefore your doing it for the pet population. I, on the other hand do it for the love of the breed and breed standard and the show ring for "myself" not the pet or showing population. I've stated before I don't even sell show dogs and if I have a pet amongst my litter when I have one it goes spayed or neutered to a loving pet home. If it's of show quality and I don't need it because I have enough "again" it will be spayed and neutered and placed into a loving pet home!

Donna

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Exactly. No one from the YTCA will even address this. They keep preaching about protecting the standard. Just how would adding a variety class hurt the blue/tan standard Yorkshire? Seriously...can someone who believes this please answer that question.

Adding a variety class for the parti will not change the original standard of the breed one bit. They would not even show in the same ring until group. I just do not understand the rampant fear and bigotry the YTCA and it's members have concerning the parti being allowed a variety class. Especially after all the evidence that the color has been in the breed for years and years now. If Joan Gordon had parti's show up in her lines...that just about kills the notion the YTCA holds that the color is the result of a designer or mixed breed.

Unless Joan owned Shih Tzu's too.

I would interested to read responses to your question too, bc I've never quite understood that reasoning either.

I do understand the traditional color yorkie breeder wanting to preserve the traditional colors but don't see how allowing parti yorkies to be shown AKC would be detrimental to them? Has that been true with other breeds and class variations?

Donna, I don't agree that all who breed parti yorkies do so just to supply a pet market bc they can't show. To know that for some, you would have to know the individual and what is behind their heart. Perhaps they breed partis for the very same reason you are in love with yorkies and continue to strive for a better yorkie, in their case a better parti color yorkie.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Well first of all I would register the litter if it threw a parti but it would be spayed or neutered and then the parents as well. I don't breed for parti's nor would I "KILL" "CULL" as you call it, any healthy living, breathing animal just because of color!
I'm sorry but as I see what's being posted is just trying to justify breeding off colors to please the public hence the words supply and demand. You can't show them so therefore your doing it for the pet population. I, on the other hand do it for the love of the breed and breed standard and the show ring for "myself" not the pet or showing population. I've stated before I don't even sell show dogs and if I have a pet amongst my litter when I have one it goes spayed or neutered to a loving pet home. If it's of show quality and I don't need it because I have enough "again" it will be spayed and neutered and placed into a loving pet home!

Donna

So then, in your opinion, the ONLY valid reason a dog should be bred is to show?

Not trying to be a smartalec here, but I am trying to understand correctly. One of the reasons I've heard stated that the YTCA is against parti's is because of the concern that messing with colors could potentially result in unhealthy dogs because we don't know exactly what else the parti genes control. Correct? Is there any data backing up the claim? Are parti's more prone to any of the diseases that are so prevalent in the yorkie community? If not, then why the animosity towards a color variation?

Yorkies didn't start out looking the way they do now. Somewhere along the line there were variations that made the breed what it is. Imagine where the breed would be now if the early breeders and parent clubs had been resistant to change.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by jencar98

I would interested to read responses to your question too, bc I've never quite understood that reasoning either.

I do understand the traditional color yorkie breeder wanting to preserve the traditional colors but don't see how allowing parti yorkies to be shown AKC would be detrimental to them? Has that been true with other breeds and class variations?

Donna, I don't agree that all who breed parti yorkies do so just to supply a pet market bc they can't show. To know that for some, you would have to know the individual and what is behind their heart. Perhaps they breed partis for the very same reason you are in love with yorkies and continue to strive for a better yorkie, in their case a better parti color yorkie.

Jen, I know you have a good heart and some parti breeders have a good heart and have dogs they love and care for but being a person that breeds and shows to the standard I stand behind the standard and the YTCA. Until that changes I won't stand down my convictions. As it stands now the YTCA is not and will not now or in the future allow for a variation. If I understand it correctly AKC isn't allowing anymore variations added to a breed in the show ring. I could be wrong but I think I read that somewhere on AKC.

Donna

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

So then, in your opinion, the ONLY valid reason a dog should be bred is to show?

Not trying to be a smartalec here, but I am trying to understand correctly. One of the reasons I've heard stated that the YTCA is against parti's is because of the concern that messing with colors could potentially result in unhealthy dogs because we don't know exactly what else the parti genes control. Correct? Is there any data backing up the claim? Are parti's more prone to any of the diseases that are so prevalent in the yorkie community? If not, then why the animosity towards a color variation?

Yorkies didn't start out looking the way they do now. Somewhere along the line there were variations that made the breed what it is. Imagine where the breed would be now if the early breeders and parent clubs had been resistant to change.

I breed to the standard as closely as I can and the standard doesn't include parti colors for the show ring so therefore I strive for what the standard calls for and if one is not breeding to standard for what the parent club of any breed has set forth in my opinion is not doing it the right way ( remember this is my opinion only, I can't speak for others). Health is a big concern in the yorkie community and should be. I'm not taking it as a smartalec comment at all and I try to answer the best to my ability I never heard of a Parti until I joined YT so I can't answer your question about what the color will do. I do know that a white Dobie does cause health issues within the Dobie breed as well as the Boxer so if the YTCA says it could possibly do the same thing within the yorkie breed then there has to be something that has been documented. I think one should breed repsonsibly and be reputable. I will always stand behind the parent club of any breed if it's not hurting the animal in anyway. I will stand behind my convictions. And I personally like the standard color yorkie better or if I wanted a tri color I would be in a different breed

Donna

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I breed to the standard as closely as I can and the standard doesn't include parti colors for the show ring so therefore I strive for what the standard calls for and if one is not breeding to standard for what the parent club of any breed has set forth in my opinion is not doing it the right way ( remember this is my opinion only, I can't speak for others). Health is a big concern in the yorkie community and should be. I'm not taking it as a smartalec comment at all and I try to answer the best to my ability I never heard of a Parti until I joined YT so I can't answer your question about what the color will do. I do know that a white Dobie does cause health issues within the Dobie breed as well as the Boxer so if the YTCA says it could possibly do the same thing within the yorkie breed then there has to be something that has been documented. I think one should breed responsibly and be reputable. I will always stand behind the parent club of any breed if it's not hurting the animal in anyway. I will stand behind my convictions. And I personally like the standard color yorkie better or if I wanted a tri color I would be in a different breed

Donna

I get wanting to breed to standard. I just don't understand the resistance to a variation of standard (by the parent club) if there isn't any proof of (physical) harm to the breed.

I'm not aware of any physical problems associated directly with color variations in poodles, cockers or doxies. Yet breeding to standard has led to a myriad of health problems in breeds like bulldogs and pugs to name a few.

I guess I'm a "show me the data" kind of gal. And anytime anyone makes the argument "we do it this way because we've always done it this way", it always makes me want to question the reasoning behind it.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

I get wanting to breed to standard. I just don't understand the resistance to a variation of standard (by the parent club) if there isn't any proof of (physical) harm to the breed.

I'm not aware of any physical problems associated directly with color variations in poodles, cockers or doxies. Yet breeding to standard has led to a myriad of health problems in breeds like bulldogs and pugs to name a few.

I guess I'm a "show me the data" kind of gal. And anytime anyone makes the argument "we do it this way because we've always done it this way", it always makes me want to question the reasoning behind it.

I don't think I've seen a parti poodle LOL, not to make light of it but I'm sure they would have a problem with that variation too IMHO. Not sure I've seen white in a doxie either...
The parent club wants the traditional standard color yorkie not a parti yorkie.
I think I said as long as the breed standard doesn't harm the animal in anyway I stand behind the parent club. I do have problems with a few breed standards, guess that's why I'm not in that breed. And I think I read on the AKC website at some point they will not be adding anymore variations to a breed in AKC, correct me if I'm wrong
Again, if I wanted a parti breed I would be in those breeds that have it in their standard and support it. I'm, however, in a breed that is suppose to be Blue and Gold and not a Parti color and I think the parent club feels the same way...,

Donna