Parti Color? YTCA?

[kpstoybox]

Does anyone know if Ch Hylan Acres Ridin' The Storm has been neutered yet?

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by bjh

It is my understanding that the sire's owner asked that these pups be petted out. To me it is wrong and unethical for the breeder of these pups to sell them with full registration against the wishes of the sires owner. This is why it is necessary for anyone that studs out their dog to have a very strict contract to prevent things like this from happening.

As for the pedigree of these pups, there are many dogs on the sires side and the dams side that were never dna'ed so we will never know that might have been behind those dogs.

Do we even know with any amount of certainy that the owner of the dam placed any of the pups from that litter on full registration?

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

And you dont think you wont be decieving the public, the judges and the other reputable exhibitors when you parade your carriers around the ring?It speaks volumes that a breeder will show a dog KNOWING that it carries a severe fault in the breed standard.

We don't know how many other show breeders that didn't know or knew and took the gene recessive, who are still showing, breeding and reproducing hidden carriers that are running around in the gene pool.

One thing that is different is Parti breeders are up front and saying they plan to show the carriers. And if the dog meet the standard then it should be allowed to be shown.

Parti breeders did NOT put the gene in the dogs, they are just letting it express natural.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bjh

Over the years I have had dogs with those lines in them but I have never produced a parti. Some people think that years ago, because many of the show exhibitors were importing dogs, that is how the parti got started. It is really hard after all these years for one to sort out fact from fiction.

I have raised yorkies for 14 years and none of my dogs were ever dna'ed until AKC started the frequently used sire program. Since the AKC has started collecting dna on the frequently used sires I figure people are being much more careful. Even so, the breeders that only produce a couple of litters a year might never have to send in dna on any of their dogs, especially if they retire their male before he produces 7 litters and they don't use him more than three times in a year.

Barb,

Most everyone I know has the dogs they are planning to show dna'd, usually upon registering them. It's pretty well done on whether or not they are going to produce 1 litter or year or never use the dog for 7 litters or 3 times in one year. It's just something I do. I've even begun DNAing me females.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Does anyone know if Ch Hylan Acres Ridin' The Storm has been neutered yet?

As far as I know he is still being used for breeding. One of his 9 month old daughters just got winners bitch for a 4 point major at the Houston yorkie specialty recently and she got reserve on another day.

I would never suggest neutering a yorkie just because a parti was produced out of a litter. I would not repeat the breeding though.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Ok last post now LOL...you knowingly taking in a Parti Carrier and going to breed for Parti's what would you call that? It goes against the code of conduct and ethics even if your not a member of the YTCA....it's called ethics in every way possible....

Donna

So...what you are saying in a round about way is...anything produced by Ridin the Storm can no longer be ethically shown or bred. DNA claims he is a carrier. What about his littermates?

Am I the one reaching now?

[bjh]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

Do we even know with any amount of certainy that the owner of the dam placed any of the pups from that litter on full registration?

I was told that 4 of the 7 in that litter are being used for breeding.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Barb,

Most everyone I know has the dogs they are planning to show dna'd, usually upon registering them. It's pretty well done on whether or not they are going to produce 1 litter or year or never use the dog for 7 litters or 3 times in one year. It's just something I do. I've even begun DNAing me females.

I did not know that. If and when I ever introduce a new yorkie into my breeding program I will do that. I have not studded out any of my males in years, it is not worth the headache that can come with it.

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

We don't know how many other show breeders that didn't know or knew and took the gene recessive, who are still showing, breeding and reproducing hidden carriers that are running around in the gene pool.

One thing that is different is Parti breeders are up front and saying they plan to show the carriers. And if the dog meet the standard then it should be allowed to be shown.

Parti breeders did NOT put the gene in the dogs, they are just letting it express natural.

Ethics is still ethics. you are knowingly showing a dog that has or carries a dq fault. The purpose of showing is to have breeding stock evaluated to the stand of the breed. Knowing the dogs can and will be used to produce color faults is, IMO, un-ethical breeding.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by bjh

As far as I know he is still being used for breeding. One of his 9 month old daughters just got winners bitch for a 4 point major at the Houston yorkie specialty recently and she got reserve on another day.

I would never suggest neutering a yorkie just because a parti was produced out of a litter. I would not repeat the breeding though.

Ok so I just gotta ask just what is the difference when one continues to breed a known carrier and sell dogs for show who's offspring maybe possible carriers any different then parti breeder showing a carrier ??
LOL ...There is that old double standard we are so use to seeing.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by bjh

I did not know that. If and when I ever introduce a new yorkie into my breeding program I will do that. I have not studded out any of my males in years, it is not worth the headache that can come with it.

No it isn't worth the heartace, since if anything goes wrong it's always the sire's fault. I've only allowed my sire to be used by one very good friend. In one litter 2 Champions were produced. And of course my mentor used him another time and and another Championed was produced.

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by bjh

I was told that 4 of the 7 in that litter are being used for breeding.

Only 5 pups were AKC registered, The breeder kept 3 and 2 separate people have the other 2

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

And you dont think you wont be decieving the public, the judges and the other reputable exhibitors when you parade your carriers around the ring?It speaks volumes that a breeder will show a dog KNOWING that it carries a severe fault in the breed standard.

Considering that you have just listed color (parti) as a severe fault and that it speaks volumes about a breeder that would knowingly show that same fault, what does it say about the numerous show breeders and handlers (well-known names) that routinely dye yorkie coats? I personally know this (dyeing) is done very often. Is not enhancing a coat just as deceptive, after all it is about the color, right? But yet, it is still accepted and not even frowned upon by many exhibitors. How is an enhanced coat a true representation of that yorkie? Is it not deceptive because so many do it and it's accepted with the club members even though not admittedly within a judge's hearing.

I am also wondering about the statement that the average parti puppy is selling for "inflated" prices....what is considered an inflated price? Yes, I do believe some parti breeders are selling their pups at high prices, just as do some of the exhibitor breeders and others that breed traditional colors. I won't give specifics bc it's really no ones business but my parti boy cost considerably less than my ch. sired traditional yorkie from a well-known exhibitor breeder. Btw....my parti boy also has a lovely silk coat!

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by yorkiekist

Ethics is still ethics. you are knowingly showing a dog that has or carries a dq fault. The purpose of showing is to have breeding stock evaluated to the stand of the breed. Knowing the dogs can and will be used to produce color faults is, IMO, un-ethical breeding.

Don't sit there and spout ethics to me when Ch Hylan Acres Ridin' The Storm a known parti carrier is still being used for breeding and his offspring are being shown.

It's ethical for show breeders to do it but not ok for parti breeders to take carriers in the ring ? PLEASE

[yorkiekist]

Originally Posted by jencar98

Considering that you have just listed color (parti) as a severe fault and that it speaks volumes about a breeder that would knowingly show that same fault, what does it say about the numerous show breeders and handlers (well-known names) that routinely dye yorkie coats? I personally know this (dyeing) is done very often. Is not enhancing a coat just as deceptive, after all it is about the color, right? But yet, it is still accepted and not even frowned upon by many exhibitors. How is an enhanced coat a true representation of that yorkie? Is it not deceptive because so many do it and it's accepted with the club members even though not admittedly within a judge's hearing.

I am also wondering about the statement that the average parti puppy is selling for "inflated" prices....what is considered an inflated price? Yes, I do believe some parti breeders are selling their pups at high prices, just as do some of the exhibitor breeders and others that breed traditional colors. I won't give specifics bc it's really no ones business but my parti boy cost considerably less than my ch. sired traditional yorkie from a well-known exhibitor breeder. Btw....my parti boy also has a lovely silk coat!

Well, if you want to keep comparing yourself with the coat dying exhibitors... But, just remember, those lighter blue coats that some have dyed will NEVER produce a parti, a serious DQ fault, by the way. But they can and do produce darker coats. Again, showing is for evaluating breeding stock. There is no reputable breeder/exibitor that will knowingly breed to a parti or a parti carrier.