Originally Posted by manolos mom (Post 3254539)

This Crestwing is nothing but a BYB!!!!

Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 3257545)

Did you see her website before she took off the information about a couple of pups being a "rare" chocolate parti?

It sounds like one seller sold to her directly - but the rest seem to have Ch's from back a couple of generations (grandsire). Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Marshall is the only Champion - the rest are sired by one. That's the difference.

Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 3257545)

Did you see her website before she took off the information about a couple of pups being a "rare" chocolate parti?

It sounds like one seller sold to her directly - but the rest seem to have Ch's from back a couple of generations (grandsire). Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Marshall is the only Champion - the rest are sired by one. That's the difference.

Originally Posted by golddust (Post 3257423)

My question was not about your connection with Marshall and his breeder. My question was regarding the 3 other people you have posted many things about and I quote "You're right and really wish Marshall had the ability to speak/act in his own behalf. In 3 seperate homes since October; 2 of which have only the goal on capitilizing on his Championship and background. One I we know had in excess of 30 dogs, not all of one breed. This is the home he's in now. He also was kept in a barn during the winter months.

But, lets not excuse the original owner that sold him, all in the name of money." This is what you said correct? You also said many other things about the other 2 ladies involved using their Legal names correct? So my question was and is are you sure about what you are saying? Do you have your facts straight before you post things that could destroy someone's reputation?
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Originally Posted by yorkielady06 (Post 3257538)

Will also add this from a legal website so that people might stop and read what they wrote:
Generally speaking, defamation is the issuance of a false statement about another person, which causes that person to suffer harm. Slander involves the making of defamatory statements by a transitory (non-fixed) representation, usually an oral (spoken) representation. Libel involves the making of defamatory statements in a printed or fixed medium, such as a magazine or newspaper.

Typically, the elements of a cause of action for defamation include:

A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
Damage to the plaintiff.
In the context of defamation law, a statement is "published" when it is made to the third party. That term does not mean that the statement has to be in print.

Damages are typically to the reputation of the plaintiff, but depending upon the laws of the jurisdiction it may be enough to establish mental anguish.

Originally Posted by yorkielady06 (Post 3257554)

Hope you read on libel and defamation of character....:eek:

Originally Posted by yorkielady06 (Post 3257568)

To you that may be it. However are all champions sired by champions?
And do people not have to start somewhere?

No, I did not. I saw the website today after reading this entire thread.

Originally Posted by 143julz (Post 3257571)

I don't see where OP is asking her dog be returned???:rolleyes:

In fact she posted to set the record straight and hasn't been back to this thread again.
I see everybody else has the issues/concern with Marshall and HOW he was acquired, and if it's ethical or unethical.

For whatever reason...
I just hope he's happy and being well taken care of by the new owners:)

Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 3257589)

I don't understand what you're asking here.

No, of course not all champions are sired by champions.

Yes, new people do have to start somewhere but it should be - by doing it the right way - not by capitalizing on someone else's hard work. Not because you have the money to buy it.

Doing it the right way is finding a breeder who you like and respect. Work with/for them. Learn as much as you can and then perhaps they'll work with you on a "show prospect" - but I'm sure most will not just hand you a Championed dog!

Yes, this is my opinion, and I'm not always right but I do believe that there are some unwritten rules that we all must honor.

Like I told my kids - ya gotta pay your dues!

Originally Posted by yorkielady06 (Post 3257568)

To you that may be it. However are all champions sired by champions?
And do people not have to start somewhere?

No, I did not. I saw the website today after reading this entire thread.

Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 3257589)

I don't understand what you're asking here.

No, of course not all champions are sired by champions.

Yes, new people do have to start somewhere but it should be - by doing it the right way - not by capitalizing on someone else's hard work. Not because you have the money to buy it.

Doing it the right way is finding a breeder who you like and respect. Work with/for them. Learn as much as you can and then perhaps they'll work with you on a "show prospect" - but I'm sure most will not just hand you a Championed dog!

Yes, this is my opinion, and I'm not always right but I do believe that there are some unwritten rules that we all must honor.

Like I told my kids - ya gotta pay your dues!

Originally Posted by yorkielady06 (Post 3257599)

That is your opinion about "paying your dues". However, if you use a champion stud have YOU paid your dues? Nope. You did not produce or champion him. You have capitalized on someone elses hard work.

Truer words were never said.....and this is definately what Connie meant.

Some championed dogs have nothing but a champion sire, then look down to the 4th generation for the next champion.

You see this all the time on websites where people that have obtained Champions via the backdoor....it's still called what you say captilizing on someone elses blood, sweat and tears.

You very much can purchase a championed dog. Do some homework and you will see that. Check puppyfind and see what pops up. They are out there if you have the checkbook.

I'm sure there is.

I too believe in unwritten and written rules. One is to be kind to your neighbor. I have not seen that here much. Except from the OP who was quite nice to the new owner. I also hope that Marshall Dillon is in a good home that loves him finally. Not just for "show" or as a commodity. I hope he is living like the little prince that he should have been all along.:D