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[TexasKat08]

I forgot to mention. That intact girl? She is sired by Marshall, surprise, surprise.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by pmwildcherryss

I FELL IN LOVE WITH A WHITE PARTI YORKIE. Didn't know what they were. I always have had a traditional color yorkie my Pooh Bear Now 15 years old. still here today in are home and doing well.My Hubby and I saw the pics on line and I fell head over heals in Love. I have a tiny crew here. I have 1 Parti Fm. 1 Parti Carrier FM, and one Tan Parti Male. Added my Lovey to the Group. Thats it for me. All my dogs are AKC reg. and DNA tested. Full AKC Yorkies. All are from top Champ Lines from some well know names. They made a Parti for me. So I dont understand why every one go's crazzy over Parti and Traditional. Really I Just Love Yorkies and some of a White & Parti Color. I have so few here and most all are sold as a pet only home no papers. I just hate to see everyone bashing Sue when I know shes a Loving Yorkie Mommy.

PET ONLY huhh....making lots of money are you?

[Breezeaway]

Originally Posted by TexasKat08

I have been researching breeders in TX for several weeks, trying to find just the right one, not just looking for a dog. I've talked to several, and gotten advice from both Mardelin and Brooklyn. Rosemark is on my list to call, though I have pretty much settled on one of two other area breeders that I hope to meet in San Antonio next month. After reading this thread my only question is - did she ever get Marshall back or was this ever resolved with the YTCA? I don't know how a breeder could ever cope through this, knowing that a mistake was made and one of her dogs is possibly be exploited because her breeding program is so successful she was able to produce yet another champion.

Oh, and BYW. I checked out Marshall's current owner's website and for the low, low price of only $4000 I can get an intact bitch! Who is only estimated to be 4-5 pounds full grown. UGH! Can it be any clearer? This woman is in it for the M-O-N-E-Y! Poor Ms. Fett!

And the female puppys dam is out of a Hungarian champion sire, No parti colors there.

[cj125]

Originally Posted by cj125

Funny how this all sounds so familiar especially the part about keeping the breed to it's "standard" - what's that? (code of conduct #1)

Code of Ethics/By-Laws -

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

That is not what it says, if your going to quote something , quote it right.
do you people have nothing better to do than sit on your computers all day long and continually belittle, harass and put down anyone that does not agree with you?
You must truly lead a boring life.
We all know for the millionth time that some of you do not like partis and that you don't agree with the ones who have them. OK, OK then let it go. I doubt your little posts are going to change anyones mind that has them.
Your constant criticism of the parti owners and breeders is getting old and actually quite mean.

Do you see any of us making comments on your dogs?? Do some of you think that yours are so perfect? I dare say they are not, Actually I seen an avatar of someone that is showing one that has a very bad topline to the point it is what I call roach back.
You cannot lump all parti breeders in the same category, Each person and breeder is responsible for what they themselves produce no matter what color it is.

Why do people on here criticize others so much?
Let’s do a quick survey. If you like being criticized and want more criticism heaped upon you every day from everyone in here, please raise your hand. Anybody? Hello? Anyone?
Criticism causes harm to others. There is no doubt about that. When someone criticizes you, ask yourself, “Is this coming from kindness? Is it loving, kind and helpful?” Chances are it does not feel that way at all.

Think of all the great experiences people could have if they didn’t feel the need to own and control so much in here.

I think its time for you to move on and let us parti owners participate in this forum without the constant badgering and harassment from the some of you parti haters.

“Dogs bark at what they don’t understand.”
" How about lets Wag more and Bark Less.”

Were you responding to my post?

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

. . .

Yorkies have always produced off colors, and yes they used to get rid of them, but now with all the animal rights its not happening anymore . . .

Are you saying that the animal rights movement has encouraged people to not breed to standard, and that we should no longer selectively breed dogs?

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Are you saying that the animal rights movement has encouraged people to not breed to standard, and that we should no longer selectively breed dogs?

You and I must be reading the statement differently.
I read it as saying because of the laws today it is illegal to kill an animals just because they are born out of standard.
As was done by breeders years ago and sorry to say probably still done today.
One with a prominent reputation to protect would not want peers to know of defects or off colors produce by a highly prized sought after sires.
So what is the best way to protect the reputation of a Ch dog and their name/kennel ?
Simple, kill the offspring and get rid of the evidence.

[kpstoybox]

Originally Posted by Breezeaway

However the dog got to Sue is really not the issue as I see it. She did not buy the dog from Rosemark. It is my understanding that Marshall went thru 3 people before Susan. Now who is to blame here?
I would think it is the owner for not having a contract and the direct buyer. After that it really doesn't matter.

If I did not want my dogs in the wrong hands, I certainly would have never sold one without a contract or without being neutered or spayed.

As far as a tan parti, the parti definition, AKC states: Parti-color Two or more definite, well-broken colors, one of which must be white.
So if you have chocolate yorkies then you can have choc partis and if you have gold yorkies, you can have gold parti's. etc etc. The parti is any color of that breed with white. It is the same in Biewers, they call theirs Golddust and Biros. They are still yorkshire terriers no matter what anyone calls them.
If alot of the Traditional yorkie people care so much then how come partis are showing up in so many lines now? There are a heck of alot of Durrers, Hylan, Buena Vista, Slice of Cake, California Wild, Parquins, Wildweir parti's out there.
And if the YTCA is so dang upset about Rosemarks dog then why haven't they done something about Hylan Acres, Its been years and she is still breeding her parti carrier and showing his pups. I don't have a problem with Hylan having parti pups come from her dog, what I have a problem with is The YTCA saying its wrong to show a carrier and that is exactly what she is doing and catches no slack about it.

Yorkies have always produced off colors, and yes they used to get rid of them, but now with all the animal rights its not happening anymore.
Yes there are some people out there to make $$$$$$$$ but you cannot judge all people by the color of dog they breed.
I purchased a CH. Lake Buena Vista male, Why did I buy him? Because he was a beautiful well put together dog. Did anyone care that i bought him? Not that I know of. Did anyone ask me if I was going to breed him into the parti line? Nope. He had been thru 3 owners in his very short life.
As I See it, that is the problem, people make Champion out of them get what they want out of them then pass them on. It happens all the time, Who really cares about the dog and not the money, prestige and the ribbons?
Its too easy to buy a Champion line these days, if they cared it wouldn't be so easy would it?

I wont give any names but I can honestly say that some YTCA members have wanted to buy carriers from me to show, knowing they were carriers. You know what they always say, it has to be kept quiet.
HMMM

I wanted to bump up this post...in hopes that this question is not ignored or swept under the rug like in other threads where it has been brought up. I for one would like to know the YTCA's stance on this. I have been told by a YTCA member on this very board that if she ever encountered me showing a carrier...that she would have a major problem with it...and would have no control on how she expressed her displeasure (a threat?)

Yet...a YTCA member owned "champion" parti producer...is still producing puppies and some of them are being shown. The YTCA and it's members can't have it both ways.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

You and I must be reading the statement differently.
I read it as saying because of the laws today it is illegal to kill an animals just because they are born out of standard.
As was done by breeders years ago and sorry to say probably still done today.
One with a prominent reputation to protect would not want peers to know of defects or off colors produce by a highly prized sought after sires.
So what is the best way to protect the reputation of a Ch dog and their name/kennel ?
Simple, kill the offspring and get rid of the evidence.

I would think any good breeder would not kill a dog just because it doesn't meet standard, but there's a big difference between killing dogs that are not standard and breeding them. Selective breeding is such an important part of the process when man domesticates an animal. Let's not forget all the dogs we are killing daily in shelters.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

I wanted to bump up this post...in hopes that this question is not ignored or swept under the rug like in other threads where it has been brought up. I for one would like to know the YTCA's stance on this. I have been told by a YTCA member on this very board that if she ever encountered me showing a carrier...that she would have a major problem with it...and would have no control on how she expressed her displeasure (a threat?)

Yet...a YTCA member owned "champion" parti producer...is still producing puppies and some of them are being shown. The YTCA and it's members can't have it both ways.

Do you think it's possible that some people joined the YTCA for the wrong reasons? Just like people join churches for the wrong reasons, people join various clubs for the wrong reasons. No one ever has said every YTCA member is reputable. I'm not sure if you think what she's doing is right or wrong, but I think it's wrong. I would hope the club is doing something about this, but I don't think they are allowed to talk about the measures they are taking. So it's as if you are pointing fingers at the club for not ejecting her from the group. Anyway, I'm sure many people would like to see that happen.

[TexasKat08]

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2

As was done by breeders years ago and sorry to say probably still done today.
One with a prominent reputation to protect would not want peers to know of defects or off colors produce by a highly prized sought after sires.
So what is the best way to protect the reputation of a Ch dog and their name/kennel ?
Simple, kill the offspring and get rid of the evidence.

This is a very bold statement. I would recommend you tread lightly before accusing breeders of "hiding" their breeding mistakes by disposing of the evidence. It is not only inflammatory but despicable and unless you have concrete proof of such a horrible practice you might want to keep your opinions to yourself.

[bjh]

Sorry, I quoted the wrong person...I meant to quote someone else

[bjh]

Originally Posted by kpstoybox

I wanted to bump up this post...in hopes that this question is not ignored or swept under the rug like in other threads where it has been brought up. I for one would like to know the YTCA's stance on this. I have been told by a YTCA member on this very board that if she ever encountered me showing a carrier...that she would have a major problem with it...and would have no control on how she expressed her displeasure (a threat?)

Yet...a YTCA member owned "champion" parti producer...is still producing puppies and some of them are being shown. The YTCA and it's members can't have it both ways.

You keep bringing reference to this YTCA member over and over. This breeder is not breeding for parti yorkies. Yes, she did have a beautiful champion that produced some parti pups. This breeder requested the owner of the female to pet out the pups and not sell them with open registration. This incidences happened about 3 years ago I think. The fault is with the owner of the bitch, not the owner of the sire. If you own a beautiful representative of the breed you do not just quit using him because he produces some off standard pups in one breeding. You just don't repeat the breeding. If it was continually happening I could see him being retired but not because of one breeding that happened 3 years ago. You should know that not every breeding will be perfect. We learn from our mistakes and move on.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I would think any good breeder would not kill a dog just because it doesn't meet standard, but there's a big difference between killing dogs that are not standard and breeding them. Selective breeding is such an important part of the process when man domesticates an animal. Let's not forget all the dogs we are killing daily in shelters.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by TexasKat08

This is a very bold statement. I would recommend you tread lightly before accusing breeders of "hiding" their breeding mistakes by disposing of the evidence. It is not only inflammatory but despicable and unless you have concrete proof of such a horrible practice you might want to keep your opinions to yourself.

You haven't been around long so you might want to go research past post where this issue has been discussed before.
The main way to dispose of pups was to place them in the freezer to freeze to death.

[yorkiegirl2]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I would think any good breeder would not kill a dog just because it doesn't meet standard, but there's a big difference between killing dogs that are not standard and breeding them. Selective breeding is such an important part of the process when man domesticates an animal. Let's not forget all the dogs we are killing daily in shelters.

Yes we would all like to have that nice and warm fuzzy feeling that all breeders would not kill puppies but sadly it just not the case. Competitive show breeding can be vicious and the links some will go and the things they will do in order to protect their precious reputations is a fact of the show world.
In the show world if you are breeding to the standard you would not want certain things in your lines no matter how great the Champion.
So when the word gets out you have something undesirable running in your lines nobody will want to breed to your lines and your dead in the water.

You are quite right non standard breeders are not killing puppies, they see a little gem in every puppy produced be it standard or the colored variety .

Yes and let not forget the damage man have done to change some breeds so much in appearance in order to meet a set standard that it has caused physical harm and pain to the dogs.

And I don’t think anyone will disagree that there are to many dogs in shelters.