learning question

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I find it funny that coloring secrets are being shared with newbies when it's hard enough for experienced exhibitors to get just plain ole grooming tips....it's a sacared secret for some....and especially if they are coloring LOL...I do know someone that has colored and maybe still does and I can tell you now if you ask for the forumal they won't reveal it but will mix it up and mail it to ya so I find it hard those kinds of things are being told LOL...maybe Barb the ones you speak too are guilty LOL especially if they are sharing that info LOL...j/k

Donna,

I have my own formula passed down to me and not by my mentor.....because she hates coloring....Have I used it......sure, on a topline because it was just a bit lighter than the rest and when viewing the dog in movement from a distance gave the illusion it was off....and it wasn't.
But, you're right no one will share their recipes....and yes, they will mix it up for you, but never reveal what's in it. Nor, will they show you how to apply it......

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Donna,

I have my own formula passed down to me and not by my mentor.....because she hates coloring....Have I used it......sure, on a topline because it was just a bit lighter than the rest and when viewing the dog in movement from a distance gave the illusion it was off....and it wasn't.
But, you're right no one will share their recipes....and yes, they will mix it up for you, but never reveal what's in it. Nor, will they show you how to apply it......

There is a a mousse from Sally's I've used on Tucker on a light patch he had on his side where the hair was pulled out and it came in lighter.
So, yes I was deceitful when I used it hang me now LOL...

Donna

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

There is a a mousse from Sally's I've used on Tucker on a light patch he had on his side where the hair was pulled out and it came in lighter.
So, yes I was deceitful when I used it hang me now LOL...

Donna

I know the mousse.....there's also a stick......you can apply that I bought at Sally's.

The truth be known most color jobs are a bit here or a bit there.....just on spots........

[KYBLUE]

you too are funny

i know one formula haha tried it and dyed my girls tail a nice purple
and than i was told of the ingredient i was missing have not tried it since
i think we all have are likes and dislikes about what we may or may not have to do i have seen ears tied still have not figured that on out yet there so much i know as they say so close but so much further away

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by KYBLUE

you too are funny

i know one formula haha tried it and dyed my girls tail a nice purple
and than i was told of the ingredient i was missing have not tried it since
i think we all have are likes and dislikes about what we may or may not have to do i have seen ears tied still have not figured that on out yet there so much i know as they say so close but so much further away

So, let me guess....Fanciful Rinse/Black Rage and water colors one is a shade of black and the other blue.......always, always comes up purple. That's what was used when enhancing began

Tying up ears is an art, I've never had to do it, since all my crew have tight ear sets......I've seen it done....and there is one grooming tape that shows you how.

[Sookie]

Yorkies have got to be the most changeable breed of dog in existence! Makes me think I'll never get a show dog.

But back to the original question, I think the bitch is more important than the stud. My breeder line breeds and she has a bitch that has produced 5 champion offspring and 2 champion grand-offspring. I'm hoping one of my puppies make it to the show ring too, but there are so many changes for them to go through before I can figure it all out. Meanwhile I'm just going to enjoy them. Oh, and what about too much attitude? My female is a little bit psycho. She takes delight in everything - to the extreme!!

[LuvndemYorkies]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

I find it funny that coloring secrets are being shared with newbies when it's hard enough for experienced exhibitors to get just plain ole grooming tips....it's a sacared secret for some....and especially if they are coloring LOL...I do know someone that has colored and maybe still does and I can tell you now if you ask for the forumal they won't reveal it but will mix it up and mail it to ya so I find it hard those kinds of things are being told LOL...maybe Barb the ones you speak too are guilty LOL especially if they are sharing that info LOL...j/k

Question for all of you, I find this is very interesting thread.
SO what is the breakdown, I hear you all talk about Newbies etc and when I try to research your own personal lines, I don't find much history behind your lines? I mean I see who the breeders are that are in the pedigrees etc.
So what is a Newbie? How many years showing makes you a newbie or not? How many years breeding makes you a newbie or not?
Who is a newbie here and who is the experts?
How many lines in a pedigree makes you the one who is the real breeder or does the credit go back to the breeder of the sire and dam or grsire grdam? Help me get a grasp of what this all boils down to be newbie etc...
How long have you ladies actually have your OWN lines? How many generations in your pedigrees are from your own lines? Or from lack of a better word, a borrowed line from the previous breeder??
I do think this thread is very good.
Thanks for posting this

[LuvndemYorkies]

Great thread,
Newbie - explain this what makes you a newbie and what makes you an expert.
So when are you the breeder of a line is it your line with one generation or does this go back to the original breeder who you borrowed/bought got the line from?
So how long have you all been showing and breeding? Are you ranking as a newbie or an expert?
How many dogs have you CH from your line? or from others lines? trying to figure out what is setting a newbie apart from an expert, the terms i hear you using here.
I don't find much in the way of trying to research the different breeders in this thread, which makes me confused, if you were more than a newbie, wouldn't i find a history of your lines? So are you all technically newbies? or ?

[bjh]

Originally Posted by LuvndemYorkies

Great thread,
Newbie - explain this what makes you a newbie and what makes you an expert.
So when are you the breeder of a line is it your line with one generation or does this go back to the original breeder who you borrowed/bought got the line from?
So how long have you all been showing and breeding? Are you ranking as a newbie or an expert?
How many dogs have you CH from your line? or from others lines? trying to figure out what is setting a newbie apart from an expert, the terms i hear you using here.
I don't find much in the way of trying to research the different breeders in this thread, which makes me confused, if you were more than a newbie, wouldn't i find a history of your lines? So are you all technically newbies? or ?

Interesting question, I have been wondering the same thing. I have been raising yorkies for 13 years and I have 7 generations of yorkies that I have bred. I feel that I am on the right track for developing my own show line but I still have lots to learn. While I think I am fairly knowledgeable about showing I do consider myself a newbie to showing yorkies. I am anxious to get some of my own breeding in the ring.

To call a line your own do you have to have owned and bred both sire and dam or if you outcross using a different line is it still considered yours, since you owned either the sire or dam and were the breeder?

[YorkieRose]

If you start with a quality bitch, buy stud service... the results are a product of both breeders..what you get from the product and how you breed it will help you set your type or line. I feel it takes another generation, usually two to set reliable type.

Some feel the results of two Yorkies of any bloodlines bred together become their line.
What you actally produce from the RESULTS of the first breeding is yours.. This is where it is tricky..there are those who feel they can produce a male from two purchased Yorkies, buy a bitch and the pups resulting are their line...or buy a show potential or breed potential and put their kennel prefix on it and it is a new line...means nothing to me. I always look at who is in the pedigree, not the end of the lead. Simply a matter of opinion.

[YorkieRose]

bjh..if you bred a female from your 7 gens to a champion stud service to establish a show potential litter, I would consider the results a blend of your line and the other breeder to produce a new potentials, very common..one breeding can not cancel out 7 generations...
BUT I feel is it nearly impossible to produce a show potential from generations of "in house" breeding unless you are seeing top of the line show pups now. The best go out for stud service also...look at the best peds...

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

bjh..if you bred a female from your 7 gens to a champion stud service to establish a show potential litter, I would consider the results a blend of your line and the other breeder to produce a new potentials, very common..one breeding can not cancel out 7 generations...
BUT I feel is it nearly impossible to produce a show potential from generations of "in house" breeding unless you are seeing top of the line show pups now. The best go out for stud service also...look at the best peds...

Pat,

How it was explained to me is that it takes 10 generations before the line becomes yours.

The other thing that was passed down to me, is that some never reach the experienced/exhibitor breeder stage and forever stay and the newbie stage.

As you stated, very rarely to you see Pastoral, Yorkboro, This Time, Exmoor, Rothby and they produce Champions consistently....Occassionaly the do outcross when they begin boxing theirselves in. But, then these people have been doing it for years.

[LuvndemYorkies]

Thanks Pat, you are most helpful.

[Brooklynn]

Great Question:

1st... I'm not considered a newbie at showing I've been showing now for 6 years but as far as breeding I'm still considered a newbie because I don't breed much therefore you don't see me commenting much in the breeding section. I do know what goes into breeding and what needs to be done. I give all the credit to my dogs breeders as they are the experts not me with "their" lines. They are not mine. To have your own lines you have to be able to have at least 5 generations in my opinion of what you call your lines to able to claim you have lines per sa.
I know what goes into breeding, what needs to be done ect...I just don't do much of it as I've said "MANY" times I prefer the show ring to the whelping box. I know when someone isn't breeding to the standard and when they are. When I do breed which is "not very often" but when it happens it's carefully planned and made sure that all the necessary things are in place as the quality of the stud, the quality of the bitch, the health testing the evaluations, whether it compliments what I have at home ect....
I have 4 champions but only one is from my breeding. I am very selective as to what I want and what is of quality that goes into the ring. When I do breed both male and female will be championed because if they aren't worthy of being championed they aren't worthy of being bred. I have started over in my breeding program due to not having what I feel is up to standard among a couple of other things. So, yes you could call me a newbie to breeding as I just don't do it very often and don't care for the breeding aspect of it but I am knowledgeable in the breeding aspect of it but I just don't breed that much. Again, when I do breed it's to better the breed and for the show ring for myself and not to just supply pets for the pet population.
Donna

[KYBLUE]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

So, let me guess....Fanciful Rinse/Black Rage and water colors one is a shade of black and the other blue.......always, always comes up purple. That's what was used when enhancing began

Tying up ears is an art, I've never had to do it, since all my crew have tight ear sets......I've seen it done....and there is one grooming tape that shows you how.

hehehe
you got it i have good ear sets so far and have not needed to tie i just found it intresting i would be scared to death i would get caught
so i just gave up on the dying
my dog is what it is her tail will just have to be a tad light