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Brooklynn 11-15-2009 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2881658)
Mary, what statement are you referring to? I totally understand that "top" breeders do not go into details about their breeding programs. It is a vicious world out there and so many things are said that are not true or are twisted around. That is one reason it is harder for a newbie to learn because there are so many different opinions on things. That is one reason I like to hear all different viewpoints. There is just so much to learn.
Mary didn't post this I did LOL....The statement about breeding CH to CH....I just would like to know what other show exhibitors/breeders you talk to besides Mary and I and the few that are on this forum. I'm just curious is all....

Donna

topknot 11-15-2009 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2881658)
Mary, what statement are you referring to? I totally understand that "top" breeders do not go into details about their breeding programs. It is a vicious world out there and so many things are said that are not true or are twisted around. That is one reason it is harder for a newbie to learn because there are so many different opinions on things. That is one reason I like to hear all different viewpoints. There is just so much to learn.
Barb, the best thing is to get out there and listen. I had to and for years to learn. Sometimes asking questions is not the best way to go about it. I know, how can you learn without asking? Sometimes, it is best to go to the shows, have an experience show exhibitor mentor you, and you learn as you watch and listen. Also you need to read books, plenty of them. When one asks so many questions and the way one may ask questions - it might come off wrong and way too over zealous. It is good to be excited and motivated, but it is best to be patient at times. I know I had to go to a lot of shows, participate at shows, and watch and listen and go to club meetings and listen more.

Mardelin 11-15-2009 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by topknot (Post 2881662)
Champion parents: I think what you are missing Barb is that the quality and pedigree must have been there and most all show exhibitors have their dogs expertly evaluated and tested. As Mary mentioned there are different reasons why the exhibitor made the match and why the sire or dam was not finished, yet.

Coat - How old was the one of yours that stayed black before you petted her out?
Tina,

Have you ever felt a black silk coated yorkie........I have once and I'll never forget what it felt like.......

topknot 11-15-2009 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2881673)
Tina,

Have you ever felt a black silk coated yorkie........I have once and I'll never forget what it felt like.......
Yes, it is more like a hard silk. But this one change to a dark blue later.

Mardelin 11-15-2009 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2881658)
Mary, what statement are you referring to? I totally understand that "top" breeders do not go into details about their breeding programs. It is a vicious world out there and so many things are said that are not true or are twisted around. That is one reason it is harder for a newbie to learn because there are so many different opinions on things. That is one reason I like to hear all different viewpoints. There is just so much to learn.
I didn't refer to any statement just adding to Donna's comments....

But, I will add as I stated, one must ask each individual breeder/exhibitor for their reasons in doing what they do.......before I began my breeding program...I asked so many questions of the those that knew and were successful in their programs....I made them sick.......they'd hide from me, roll their eyes and say here she comes again....but, they were always willing to help as they knew I was really wanting to learn.

bjh 11-15-2009 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by topknot (Post 2881662)
Champion parents: I think what you are missing Barb is that the quality and pedigree must have been there and most all show exhibitors have their dogs expertly evaluated and tested. As Mary mentioned there are different reasons why the exhibitor made the match and why the sire or dam was not finished, yet.

Coat - How old was the one of yours that stayed black before you petted her out?
Mary, she was 3 years old. I totally agree with you on what your are saying, that is what I said. There is much more to consider than if a dog is a champion. There is much more to breeding.

Mardelin 11-15-2009 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by topknot (Post 2881674)
Yes, it is more like a hard silk. But this one change to a dark blue later.
I've felt 2 one never changed and one I have......and your right.....dark blue later.

Mardelin 11-15-2009 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2881677)
Mary, she was 3 years old. I totally agree with you on what your are saying, that is what I said. There is much more to consider than if a dog is a champion. There is much more to breeding.
I'm confused Barb.....you quoted Tina, but addressed to me...

bjh 11-15-2009 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 2881665)
Mary didn't post this I did LOL....The statement about breeding CH to CH....I just would like to know what other show exhibitors/breeders you talk to besides Mary and I and the few that are on this forum. I'm just curious is all....

Donna
Of course it would be silly for me to say names. A couple of years ago I had made a statement to a person at a dog show that maybe I could breed to her champion some day. She just politely told me that she could only breed him to champion bitches, which I totally understood. I later notice that he had been bred to several females that were not champions. I told her I understood and that perhaps one day I would have a champion bitch. I just felt it a little disingenuous, she should of just stated that she is very selective who she will breed him to. I know that I am a newbie and I have not proven myself or my dogs in the ring.

Brooklynn 11-15-2009 11:35 AM
Ok here goes.....You can ask all the questions you want on a forum and yes learn to a certain point but the only way to really know it is to GO TO THE SHOWS and sit, learn, get in the ring, spend the money and just do it!!! I'm sorry but it's getting really redundant in all the questions and answers that have been posted....Barb, you've been around now in and around the shows and this forum and you know it's going to take getting out in the ring and being involved not just sitting on the sidelines and asking questions LOL...either your going to start back showing or keep asking the same questions over and over and get the same answers over and over LOL...
I don't mean to sound frustrated but I don't know how many times we can go over the same thing with the same results....either you do it or you don't :)

Donna

bjh 11-15-2009 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2881682)
I'm confused Barb.....you quoted Tina, but addressed to me...
I am sorry, my brain is on overload and I need to eat lunch.:)

topknot 11-15-2009 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2881677)
Mary, she was 3 years old. I totally agree with you on what your are saying, that is what I said. There is much more to consider than if a dog is a champion. There is much more to breeding.
I'm Tina. I would prefer them to be a good champion! There usually really good reasons why both parents are not championed when breeders may do a breeding. Those that were bred and did not get their championship might later gain their championships or maybe the owners had others dogs to get in the ring first or whatever the reason - the dogs they bred to were top quality and not your regular pets being bred.
In my case - Cha-Cha was whelped at the time with only her dam being a champion (and Specialty winner). Her sire had been in shows and expertly evaluated and tested, before I made the match. Cha-Cha's sire is now a champion and even took Reserves at the NJ Specialty show against tough competition. So even though when I did the breeding - not both parents were champions, but I felt it was a great match and turned out some very nice pups. Actually I was very pleased. I will have Cha-cha in the ring to hopefully finish this new year. This is just one example. Again you have to ask each breeder their reason for making the match.

bjh 11-15-2009 11:40 AM
Thanks to all for you input. Sorry to be a pest.

Mardelin 11-15-2009 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2881687)
Of course it would be silly for me to say names. A couple of years ago I had made a statement to a person at a dog show that maybe I could breed to her champion some day. She just politely told me that she could only breed him to champion bitches, which I totally understood. I later notice that he had been bred to several females that were not champions. I told her I understood and that perhaps one day I would have a champion bitch. I just felt it a little disingenuous, she should of just stated that she is very selective who she will breed him to. I know that I am a newbie and I have not proven myself or my dogs in the ring.
Barb,

What she gave you was the standard statement made by a lot of breeder/exhibitors......her reason maybe she didn't know, or didn't care for your breeding program (don't take it personnally, but just making a blanket statment)...........simple as that.

My studs aren't for public stud, however, been used a couple of times by people I knew and trusted.

Brooklynn 11-15-2009 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2881687)
Of course it would be silly for me to say names. A couple of years ago I had made a statement to a person at a dog show that maybe I could breed to her champion some day. She just politely told me that she could only breed him to champion bitches, which I totally understood. I later notice that he had been bred to several females that were not champions. I told her I understood and that perhaps one day I would have a champion bitch. I just felt it a little disingenuous, she should of just stated that she is very selective who she will breed him to. I know that I am a newbie and I have not proven myself or my dogs in the ring.
Well, I guess you are right in not naming names because I haven't had your experience because I've never been turned away when I've approached someone for a show dog....even as a newbie

Donna


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