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12-07-2007, 08:02 PM | #16 | |
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12-07-2007, 11:04 PM | #17 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NEVADA
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| :cry: yea,they had until yesterday to respond they never did ofcourse. i then called paypal, and they closed the file because it wasnt dont thru ebay, they give buyers protection. so i'm screwed. i guess i'll have to see if they do in fact send me a check in the mail. just for kicks... emails they have sent me.... 12/1/2007 coastalk9rescue@aol.com wrote: First and foremost, we do not operate under any different rescues, other than with one of our partner rescues. A "scam" would be if someone took your money for something they did not have. We HAVE your dogs in our custody. The mother is healthy, and the puppy, unfortunately is not. As far as the other "people" you have found, one of them HAS THEIR DOG, just not their paperwork, and the other is also waiting for their parvo puppy to recover. Your refund will be mailed via Money Order, to the address you provided on your Payment. The dog coordinator is exactly that -- she is not in charge of anything but adoption paperwork, transports, and interviews. I will have your refund request submitted to the board, and you should expect a Money Order within 10 business days. Ana Curry Regional Director Coastal K9 Rescue & RMARC Message I wrote on 12/01/2007 Title: ANNA URRY - REFUND MY MONEY ASAP!!! OR I'M CALLING THE POLICE SARA "THE DOG COORDINATOR" HAD TOLD ME TO SEND AN EMAIL AND ADDRESS IT TO YOU REGARDING MY REFUND. I AM NO LONGER GOING TO PUT UP WITH ANY MORE LIES AND PROMISES. I HAVE BEEN LIED TO AND PROMISED MY DOGS 3 TIMES. AND THEN LIED TO AGAIN JUST YESTERDAY ABOUT THE DOG BEING VACCINATED AND HEALTHY. I DONT KNOW WHAT KIND OF "RESCUE" YOU'RE RUNNING BUT I DO KNOW THAT YOU GO GUYS GO ONLINE AND RUN UP ADS UNDER DIFFERENT RESCUE NAMES. SARA EVEN HAD THE AUDACITY TO ASK ME TO WIRE YOU GUYS $500 MORE THRU WESTERN UNION, I AM NOT STUPID UNDER SOME GUY NAMED KEVIN FOX. I AM NOT STUPID. I PAID MY MONEY WITHIN 2HRS WHEN SARA HAD ASKED FOR IT THRU PAYPAL, AND NOW WHY ITS TAKING YOU SO LONG TO REFUND MY MONEY? I WILL NOT QUIT GETTING YOU GUYS BACK IF I DONT GET MY MONEY BACK SOON. I KNOW THAT SARA USES DIFFERENT ADDRESSES WITHIN THE SAME COMMUNITY AND GIVE IT OUT TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE SHE IS LEGIT. I DO KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE USING SEVERAL DIFFERENT RESCUE NAMES. I DO HAVE A NUMBER TO THE SPCA, AND THE COPS AND I AM NOT HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT IT. I HAVE FOUND 2 OTHER PEOPLE YOU RECENTLY HAVE SCAMMED AND IS ENOUGH PROOF TO SEND YOU PEOPLE TO JAIL. CRIMPER999@HOTMAIL.COM $500 IMMEDIATELY, UPON RECEIPT OF THIS EMAIL. YOU HAVE 24 HOURS TO REFUND MY MONEY, OTHERWISE, I WILL CONTACT YOUR LOCAL POLICE DEPT AND SPCA FIRST THING MONDAY MORNING IT WILL INCLUDE YOUR NAME AND SARA ON IT. |
12-08-2007, 09:11 AM | #18 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles
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| It's so ridiculous that they actually even pretend to be a legit rescue. They are so unprofessional. "As far as the other "people" you have found, one of them HAS THEIR DOG, just not their paperwork". They use this as a legit excuse? Oh, I see, I have my dog. Clearly that means that your work is done, regardless of not holding up to the agreement of providing medical records and neutering services. Anyone who is running a real rescue cares about their dogs wellbeing. These people clearly do not. I wouldn't be surprised if Ann and Sara are the same person posing under different identities for the sake of making their scam look legit. When problems do arise, a real rescue will actually answer your calls and emails (I called and emailed probably 50 times before starting to get angry and threatening). They will talk to you and address your concerns, instead of ignoring you or giving you attitude. Liars. How do these people sleep at night? |
12-08-2007, 09:17 AM | #19 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bakersfield
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| SEE this is PISSIN ME OFF EVERYTIME I READ THIS....EVERYTIME!!! Anna or if that IS your real name.. DONT CROSS THE WRONG PERSON.. Cause LET this of BEEN ME HAHA DOG rescue wouldnt be the TITLE.. NO PUN INTENDED, BUT IF YOU ARE SCAMMING these PEOPLE YOU HAVEN'T CROSSED THE ONE WHO IS GOING TO CROSS YOU.. EVERY GREEDY ASS CROOK GETS CAUGHT.. ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.. BACK ALLEY OR COURT ROOM.. Your TIME WILL COME!!!! You have a BLESSED WATCH YOUR BACK DAY
__________________ I am a YT breeder in Bakersfield,Ca & the Human-Training Specialist for the Spoiled Rotten Club |
12-10-2007, 06:34 AM | #20 | |
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12-11-2007, 03:09 PM | #21 | |
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12-12-2007, 07:26 PM | #22 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Here, there
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| How come this person has not been banned from yt?
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12-12-2007, 08:23 PM | #23 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 172
| Personally I would love to have her come back to YT. |
12-12-2007, 08:45 PM | #24 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: miami florida
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| I know how hard it is dealing with paypal.If its not an ebay auction they dont cover you.did you use your bank account or a credit card.Some credit card companies have fraud protection.I heard some banks do too. |
12-18-2007, 07:59 AM | #25 | |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NEVADA
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OH P.S. I NOTICED THEY TOOK THEIR WEBSITE DOWN, OR IS IT JUST ME? WWW.PAWPRINTSBYTHESEA.ORG OH AND THE MONEY ORDER NEVER CAME... PAYPAL TRIED TO PULL THE MONEY BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, MONEY IS NOT THERE.. IM THINKING THE ACCOUNT IS PROBABLY NOT GOOD OR THERES NO MONEY IN IT.. | |
12-21-2007, 06:46 PM | #26 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Southern CA
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| *SCAM ALERT* Puppy-mill brokers posing as "rescue" Hello.....I am creating a new thread for this topic, as I believe it is vitally important and needs to have it's own "headline". I believe to be at the "tip of the iceberg" of a disgustingly fraudulent, deceptive ring of scammers who portray themselves as a "rescue" organization. Some of the known breeds they "rescue" are Yorkshire Terriers (Yorkies), French Bulldogs (Frenchies), Chihuahas, Pugs, Boston Terriers, and even Retrievers and Great Danes! These people go to puppy mill auctions and bring back masses of ill-bred, in-bred, often sick puppies, with health and medical conditions that will bear life-long consequences (i.e. luxating patellas) and require costly veterinary procedures. Of course, not only one person can carry on this volume and degree of deception. I am gathering additional names, and hope by putting the word out I will learn of more scumbags. However, the woman I am most familiar with goes by the names Sarah Vail, Sarah Fox, Sarah Vail-Fox. She lives at [address removed by admin] Corona, CA 92880 (Riverside County, Southern CA, but her hooks reach throughout southern CA and likely beyond). It is uncertain if she owns or rents this home; the first installment property taxes of nearly $4,800.00 (due Dec 10th) are delinquent. She has operated under numerous kennel and FRAUDULENT "rescue" organization names. The ones that have been discovered so far are: foxxxpaws, all breed rescue, coastalk9rescue, paw prints by the sea, Le Fox Puppies, brusselsnfriends, retrieversnfriends. She posts here as "RMARC"; she may use other names also. When claiming to be a "rescue" organization, she states the bogus group's 501c3 tax-exempt status is "pending". You won't make your check payable to the rescue organization, as is THE ONLY acceptable, legitimate means of payment. Linda Vail in Riverside county is getting rich by personally receiving these "rescue adoption" funds. For those unfamiliar with how an organization "becomes" a charity, this is how it works: the group must FIRST apply for a FIN (which is basically the same "identifier" as an individual's Social Security Number). The IRS issues this number, and it does not change. When a group applies for this FIN, they also have to indicate the "type" of organization they are; if they intend to operate as a charitable/non-profit organization, they indicate this. HOWEVER, they must actually APPLY to be recognized as such by the IRS. They must file a form, as well as provide copies of their organizing documents and financial statements. When the IRS receives all of this, they issue a Letter of Acknowledegement to the organization, which indicates the "pending" status of their application. IF all of the organization's documentation is approved, the IRS will then issue a Determination Letter/Ruling that recognizes the group has been organized and operates in accordance with IRS guidelines consistent with a non-profit charity that is exempt from paying federal income taxes. Think about that........how easily do you believe the Federal Government is going to "give up" on tax income?? The IRS does not award tax-exempt status without sufficient proof that an organization truly does operate in a transparent, non-profit manner. In CA, an organization must go thru a similar process with the Secretary of State and the Attorney General's Office. A LEGITIMATE charitable organization will happily and immediately supply proof of it's exempt status to anyone who asks. I have a tremendous respect for legitimate animal rescue groups. They work tirelessly and endlessly, very often at a great financial cost to themselves which is never "reimbursed". Their dedication is real and genuine. What Sarah and others in these "scam rescue rings" does is despicable and self-serving, tainting the hard work of legitimate rescue efforts. If you paid money to a legitimate rescue organization, that check would be made payable TO THE ORGANIZATION, not an individual!! Think about that, also....these people are earning an income and NOT paying taxes on it!! This is tax fraud, a punishable federal crime. It will take more than one person's complaint for the IRS to seriously investigate this ring of scumbag scammers. If you believe you have been scammed by "Sarah" operating fraudulently as a "rescue" organization, then I URGE YOU TO CONTACT ME DIRECTLY off-list at: stoprescuecharityscam@yahoo.com I will ask you some specific questions about your experience, and I will share much more information about recourses that might be available to us. I prefer not to share this info in an open format, as I know Sarah skulks on these boards. When you contact me, please include links to previous posts you have made on this Board about your experience with Sarah and/or her "rescue", so that I have a reasonable expectation that what you are telling me is truthful. Following is a sampling of information I have gathered thus far: A now-disconnected (home??) phone # for Sarah was: 951-734-8184 (Sarah used this # for all of her foxxxpaws@aol.com dog sale advertisements in the LA Times and The Recycler) Another cell # used in a recycler.com ad for foxxxpaws: 951-280-1241 Sarah’s employer, “Pete”, (Golden State K9 Training/Kennels 12235 El Sobrante Rd. Riverside, CA 92503 951-237-9739) allows Sarah to kennel many of her puppy mill purchases before they are re-sold Another cell phone: 909-519-6323 This is the # she used to scam a number of YorkieTalk people. Gina Portillo (another contact name in recycler ad for foxxxpaws) 951-285-5458 Were you told your puppy was a "rescue"?? Were you told it was "saved" from a puppy mill, or relinquished by a "back-yard breeder", with it's Mom and littermates?? What were you told was "included" in the "rescue adoption fee"?? What were you told were the results of the puppy's initial vet exam?? What were you told when you asked for the puppy's medical history to-date?? Were you told the pup had been micro-chipped, and did your vet in fact find a chip?? Did you pay a "refundable neuter deposit"?? What was the form of your payment?? If by check, to whom was the check made payable?? Do not believe that any recourse available will be easily attained, or will happen overnight. But if you have the determination and tenacity, and wish to put in the effort that will be required to right a practice that is wrong on so many levels, then please contact me. stoprescuecharityscam@yahoo.com Last edited by admin; 12-23-2007 at 12:20 PM. |
12-27-2007, 05:33 AM | #27 |
Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado
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| One way to check out if a rescue is reputable is to call the local animal control or humane society. Reputable rescues will work with these organizations.
__________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products! |
12-27-2007, 09:33 AM | #28 | |
Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member | Quote:
anyone looking into rescue should SPEAK PERSONALLY with someone who is reputable and legit & knows the ins and outs of REAL Rescue before sending ANY money - no matter how sad the story or cute the puppies are - many times there is NO DOG - they just want your cash | |
12-28-2007, 10:47 AM | #29 |
Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NEVADA
Posts: 20
| Finally Got My Money Back, And I'm Done, And This Is For You Sara Vail, Fox Etc... Private Messages in Folder: Inbox Messages: 1 Today 12-28-2007 You got your money back... 09:48 AM RMARC You got your money back... You need to please make it known that you were NOT scammed. You did get all info to verify the dogs existed (via Vet info) you also got YOUR MONEY BACK via Western Union, and we have the proof. ************************************************** **** WELL AFTER A TON OF PHONE CALLS TO THE LOCAL AUTHORITIES, PAYPAL, THE LOCAL NEWS AND IRS, I FINALLY WAS ABLE TO GET MY MONEY BACK. DO I THINK I WAS STILL SCAMMED? YES, WHY? BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH I GOT MY MONEY BACK, ITS NOT ABOUT THE MONEY AT THIS POINT. ITS THE PRINCIPAL. IF A TRUE RESCUE WAS INDEED BEING RAN BY HONEST PEOPLE, FIRST OF, YOU WOULDN'T TAKE IN MORE ANIMALS THAN YOU CAN HANDLE AND TAKE A RISK OF NOT HAVING THE TIME TO REVIVE THEM LET ALONE BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR HEALTH. I HEARD THAT ALL THE PUPPIES FROM THE LITTER INCLUDING THE MOM ENDED UP DYING FROM ALL KINDS OF THINGS WHICH INCLUDES BUT LIMITED TO PARVO. ITS SAD TO THINK THAT THOSE DOGS COULD'VE BEEN BETTER OFF HAD THEY BEEN RUNNING THEIR "RESCUE" ALOT DIFFERENT. NOW I KNOW NOTHING AS FAR RUNNING A "DOGGY BUSINESS", BUT I AM A MOM, AND IF YOU TRULLY CARE, YOU'D DO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING, INCLUDING LETTING THE DOGS GO TO A LOVING HOME AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, INSTEAD OF LETTING GREED GET TO YOU. BECAUSE MY MONEY WAS RETURNED, WHICH I THINK WAS PURE LUCK ON MY END, IT DOESNT MEAN THEY DIDN'T SCAM ME. THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO I'M SURE WAITING FOR AN ANSWER FROM THESE PEOPLE. JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, MY BF HAD CALLED A NUMBER WHO YOU CLAIMED TO BE THE "VET" AND VERIFIED INDEED THAT THEY SAW 4 SICK YORKIES BUT THEY NEVER SAW THE MOM AS YOU CLAIMED THEY DID, AND THEY DIDNT GIVE ANY SPECIFICS, AND AS FAR AS I KNOW THOSE DOGS THEY WERE REFERRING TO WERE SEEN LONG TIME AGO, YEAH MAYBE YOU TOOK 4 YORKIE PUPS IN BEFORE, AND MAYBE THAT WAS IT. AND THEN THE SAME NUMBER I CALLED A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, BUT NOONE ANSWER. I WAITED UP TO 50 RINGS! 5 TIMES NO ANSWER, NO MACHINE , NOTHING. NOW A VET SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST A VOICEMAIL OR ANSWERING MACHINE IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THERE DONT YOU THINK? I WORK IN THE MEDICAL FIELD, I SHOULD KNOW. I ALSO FOUND OUT THAT SARA VAIL, IS SUPPOSEDLY A LICENSED RESCUE. FROM ALL MY CONVERSATIONS WITH HER, SHE ALWAYS MADE IT SEEM LIKE SHE ONLY WORKED FOR ONE AS A "COORDINATOR". AND HOW SHE ALWAYS REFERRED TO THE "DIRECTOR" WHENEVER I DEMANDED MY DOGS OR MONEY. BUT ACCORDING TO HER MOTHER, LINDA VAIL, SHE IS INDEED A LICENSED RESCUER. WHO UNFORTUNATELY, TOOK IN TOO MUCH ANIMALS THAN SHE CAN CARE FOR, SHE SIMPLY "DIDN'T KNOW WHEN TO SAY NO". HER MOTHER EVEN SAID, THAT THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE TO REFUND MONEY TO, BECAUSE OF ALL THE DOGS THAT DIED. MAYBE THATS TRUE, THEY DID HAVE THE DOGS AND DIED, BUT IT COULD ALSO HAVE BEEN, WHERE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY AT ALL, AND THEY'RE WHOLE OPERATION FINALLY CAUGHT UP TO THEM. AT THIS POINT, I THINK WHAT SARA WANTS ME TO DO IS TO GO BACK AND TAKE BACK EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID ON HERE ABOUT HER, UNFORTUNATELY, I AM NOT IN THE POSITION TO DO THAT. IT DOESNT TAKE AWAY THE FACT THAT SHE DIDN'T HAVE THE COURTESY TO EVEN LET ME KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE NO DOGS. ON HOW MY FIANCE LOST HOURS AT HIS JOB WAITING FOR THE DOGS SHE PROMISED THAT ONE DAY, AND ANOTHER AND ANOTHER. HOW SHE HAD ME AND MY WHOLE FAMILY WAITING FOR THE THE DOGS THAT I HAD NO IDEA I WAS NEVER GOING TO EVEN SEE. SHE HAD CAUSED ME SO MUCH GRIEF ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING. AND I STILL DON'T THINK JUST BECAUSE YOU GAVE MY MONEY BACK THAT YOU ARE OR WERE NOT RUNNING A SCAM. WELL, I AM NOT GOING TO THANK YOU FOR SENDING MY MONEY BACK. THAT WAS MY MONEY TO BEGIN WITH. AS FAR AS TAKING BACK EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID ABOUT YOU, THATS TOO BAD, I THINK PEOPLE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT AND WHO ARE THEY DEALING WITH WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING TO "ADOPT" A "RESCUE" DOG FROM YOU. LIKE I SAID, WHAT YOU DID DOESN'T MAKE ANYTHING RIGHT. IT DOESNT TAKE AWAY THE FACT THAT YOU'RE LACKING OF COMMON COURTESY, ETHICAL AND MORALS. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR "RESCUE" RMARC,AKA SARA VAIL, PAWPRINTSBYTHESEA.ORG, BRUSSELSNFRIENDS,WHATEVER NAME YOU ARE UNDER NOW. AND IF BY CHANCE YOU WONDER WHY I WOULDN'T TAKE ANYTHING BACK I SAID? HERE'S THE LIST: 1- IF INDEED YOU WERE LEGIT, WHY IS YOUR PAWPRINTSBYTHESEA.ORG WEBSITE NOW NOT WORKING? 2-WHY DO YOU GO UNDER SO MANY DIFFERENT NAMES? 3-WHY DID YOU PRETEND THAT YOU WERE JUST A "WORKER" WHEN INDEED YOU HAD THE DOGS AND YOU WERE THE ONE RUNNING IT? 4-WHY DID YOU DUCK AND HIDE WHEN I CAME TO YOU TO MAKE IT RIGHT? 5-WHY DID YOU GIVE THE OTHER YT MEMBER ON HERE A DOG WHO YOU SAID WAS A CERTAIN AGE ONLY TO FIND OUT THE DOG WAS MUCH OLDER? 6-WHY DO YOU PROMISE PEOPLE "PAPERS" ON THE DOGS, IF THEY ARE RESCUES, WOULD THEY EVEN HAVE ONE? 7-WHY DO YOU CHARGE SO MUCH FOR BEING A RESCUE? $650 PLUS $150 FOR A RESCUE FOR EACH DOG ESPECIALLY A PUPPY IS PRETTY PRICEY. THE SHELTERS DON'T EVEN CHARGE NEARLY THAT MUCH. 8-REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID TO ME? THE REASON WHY YOU CHARGE THAT MUCH WAS BECAUSE YOU CAN ALWAYS GO ON THE INTERNET AND POST AN AD AND THOSE DOGS NORMALLY GO FOR $1500, AND THAT SOMEONE LIKE ME WAS GETTING A DEAL FOR $800? .... RIGHT. 9-YOUR EMAIL TO ME, WAS NOT APOLOGETIC AT ALL. 10-YOU NEVER APOLOGIZED TO ME, LINDA DID, SOMEWHAT. SHE SAID BY THE WAY SHE WOULD LIKE TO STRANGLE YOU FOR THE MESS YOU PUT HER IN. 11-YOU SHOULD THANK YOUR MOTHER FOR SAVING YOUR LITTLE BUTT. |
12-28-2007, 11:04 AM | #30 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 172
| Sarah is a LIAR and a SCAMMER! End of story, I'm so happy that you got your money back. It's funny that she wants her reputation redeemed at this point. Yeah, returning the money after weeks and weeks and reports to the police, IRS, and news is really big of you, RMARC. Really big of you. You scammed me and others and you know it. You may have given me the dog I paid for, but you lied about everything you told me about him and cut off all contact with me. You are a scammer and a liar, through and through. I will try my best to make sure anyone that I know on YorkieTalk and in SoCal is thoroughly warned about doing any business with you. |
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