Medical by Royal Canin

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by 107barney

I don't pay her to be my dog's nutritionist just as don't pay her to be my dog's internist, cardiologist, orthopedist, or any other specialist. This is the problem with most people - they want the GENERAL vet to be all things which is a tall order, then on top of that don't want to pay for it.

The last thing I will say is that you are wrong once again to say that the large manufacturers of dog food utilize the worst ingredients - that is complete hogwash. In fact, ask if your small companies have a board certified vet nutritionist on staff and they will tell you they do not for the most part. Ask if they do feeding trials and you'll be given spin. How do I know this? Because a friend and myself did our research and contacted companies and we were AGHAST at what we were told.

This thread is about royal canin medical foods - to which you said "never feed your dog anything with corn" and you pointed to an unreliable website. I am not going to debate corn but if you really want to educate yourself, go look at the digestibility and nutrient profile of corn before you condemn it (or any other ingredient for that matter).

Originally Posted by Ellie May

When my dogs' nutritional needs becomes too much for my vet to handle, I talk to a veterinary nutritionist and I have stopped listening to what dog food website authors decide is true. They lack credentials and generally support a diet of meat, meat, and more meat. I see plenty of dogs failing on foods like Orijen and the raw diet to know that just because a diet is rich in "meat" doesn't mean much of anything.

Originally Posted by megansmomma

It always makes that little nerve in my right temple twitch when I see blanket advice given regarding food for medical necessity. This is the reason that research is done by Veterinarians and it should not be so easily downplayed by the public at large because of an ingredient such as Corn making it "bad". I'd never dream of going to my Primary Care doctor and telling him that I Googled a better treatment plan and carry it out myself and I cannot understand why anyone would think this was proper for our canine companions.

You all said it better than I could. I have used prescription diets over the years for different pups with good results. I also feed my pups "death nuggets" as some people refer to good kibble and they are very healthy pups.

I have used a vet nutritionist in the past when my vet referred me to him for a pup that needed a very special diet. For the life of me, I do not understand why people ignore their vet's advice and go with online information. It is hard for me to comprehend putting a pup's life in the hands of an unknown person with unknown or no credentials.

To the OP: Good luck with your pup! I have fed one of my pups Royal Canin Urinary SO for some time with excellent results! He has a history of bladder stones.

[YorkieCrazyFool]

Originally Posted by LuvTaycieGirl

My Vet put Taycie on this and it is not discontinued for us?? I really love this food! You can also order it online, and it's still on the RC website. I should add I know they were having troubles with the Rabbit, there has been a shortage, it just might become harder to find.

It is still on the Royal Canin website, but it's out of stock. I work for a veterinarian & have been trying to get it forever through my clinic & everywhere I turn, they say it's just been discontinued. Even on the dog food advisor website, it says discontinued.

[LuvTaycieGirl]

Originally Posted by YorkieCrazyFool

It is still on the Royal Canin website, but it's out of stock. I work for a veterinarian & have been trying to get it forever through my clinic & everywhere I turn, they say it's just been discontinued. Even on the dog food advisor website, it says discontinued.

That's so strange because I have really had no trouble getting it here. And the vet just put Taycie on it in July, and I have had no problems locating it. In fact I have seen it all over..even the Petsmart vet offices have it.

I did talk to a Royal Canin customer service because I called to get the Typical analysis for the fat content on it. She told me about the rabbit shortage.. She told me it is going to be difficult to find... I have also read that on the dog food advisor website but I didn't think much of it because I just talked to Royal Canin and she never once said it was going to be discontinued just limited supply.

But I have yet to have a problem. This stresses me because it really has been the answer to all of Taycie's allergy issues.... I sent them an email regarding it... haven't heard back but it is the weekend.

I have you looked online? I have seen through sale through many sites. But if you work for a vet clinic you probably know better than me... Oh I hope it's not!

[LuvTaycieGirl]

Originally Posted by YorkieCrazyFool

It is still on the Royal Canin website, but it's out of stock. I work for a veterinarian & have been trying to get it forever through my clinic & everywhere I turn, they say it's just been discontinued. Even on the dog food advisor website, it says discontinued.

Ok I emailed Royal Canin and this is the response I got! GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!! It is NOT being discontinued!! Horray!!!!!!!!!! I am so HAPPY!!!!!!

The email is posted below:

Thank you for taking the time to contact Royal Canin. We appreciate your inquiry. With the successful relaunch of the Hypoallergenic Selected Protein Adult PR™ diets for dogs and cats, and due to unforeseen market conditions we are now experiencing difficulties in securing enough rabbit to produce the quantities required. Unfortunately, we anticipate that the supply challenges will continue, and that they could result in periodic shortages of both dry and wet diets. The product, however, is not being discontinued.
While our industry continues to be challenged by rabbit shortages, we are confident that diets based on hydrolyzed proteins offer sustainable nutritional solutions. The best alternative for dogs and cats currently being fed Hypoallergenic Selected Protein PR™ should be based on the knowledge and expertise of your veterinarian and the specific needs of each pet.
Please let me know if we can assist you again soon.
Warm regards,
Nicole


Royal Canin USA
500 Fountain Lakes Blvd, Suite 100
St. Charles, MO 63301
Corporate Affairs
Technical Services Veterinary Technician
Tel: 800-592-6687
E-Fax: 636-926-3859
Email: info@royalcanin.us

[LuvTaycieGirl]

sorry double post.. wait.. it didn't... LOL!

[Lil Ladies]

Barney, in order to try to win this argument, you are just insulting me and taking things I have written out of context. You don’t know who I am or what I do. To be so rude to me because you don't share the same opinion is uncalled for, and using insults and twisting things out of proportion is not proving anything other than your ignorance on the subject, even if you are convincing the others that I am some idiot “googling” things and that hates vets or whatever.

Again, and regardless of food choice, you should always see your vet if something is wrong; do not wager the health of your baby on web advice. Please stop twisting my words on the matter. Also, as people, different dogs do well on different foods. There are many sides to this, as there are pros and cons to every matter. I simply believe there are better choices than corn as a main ingredient for a carb or grain, like barley for example. If you have evidence in the other direction, I would appreciate you sharing it instead of trying to bully me away from this forum.



There are some great points that EllieMay wrote, that I would like to address:

”0/10 [vets] who care about money more than animals and people” and “ …a lot of nutrition training in vet school comes from dog food companies at times is because these companies are the ones that put out the money for research.” These are points I was trying to make. A vet, like any other business, needs money to keep the doors open, and retail is a great way to do so. It doesn’t mean the vet is a corrupt, horrible person trying to poison your pet. Your vet is most likely giving you advice for what he truly believes to be great food, as he was taught. However, the entire process is a conflict of interest. YorkieTalk doesn’t even allow people to do recommend what s/he sells for the same reason.

EllieMay also wrote, "If it's based on how many bags are sold, then why wouldn't my vet feed it to her dogs? She does not.” Perhaps you should look at it this way: If your vet is choosing to buy a different food from a different store, despite getting the food she sells cheap or free, maybe you shouldn’t feed your dogs that food either.

Most vets are great, wonderful people, and they do the best they can with the information they have been given. That being said, I would never trust my health and well-being on one individual’s opinion; I would trust it to many, as well as educate myself with unbiased opinions. THEN make the choice for myself. That is all I am asking for people to do here.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Lil Ladies

Barney, in order to try to win this argument, you are just insulting me and taking things I have written out of context. You don’t know who I am or what I do. To be so rude to me because you don't share the same opinion is uncalled for, and using insults and twisting things out of proportion is not proving anything other than your ignorance on the subject, even if you are convincing the others that I am some idiot “googling” things and that hates vets or whatever.

Again, and regardless of food choice, you should always see your vet if something is wrong; do not wager the health of your baby on web advice. Please stop twisting my words on the matter. Also, as people, different dogs do well on different foods. There are many sides to this, as there are pros and cons to every matter. I simply believe there are better choices than corn as a main ingredient for a carb or grain, like barley for example. If you have evidence in the other direction, I would appreciate you sharing it instead of trying to bully me away from this forum.



There are some great points that EllieMay wrote, that I would like to address:

”0/10 [vets] who care about money more than animals and people” and “ …a lot of nutrition training in vet school comes from dog food companies at times is because these companies are the ones that put out the money for research.” These are points I was trying to make. A vet, like any other business, needs money to keep the doors open, and retail is a great way to do so. It doesn’t mean the vet is a corrupt, horrible person trying to poison your pet. Your vet is most likely giving you advice for what he truly believes to be great food, as he was taught. However, the entire process is a conflict of interest. YorkieTalk doesn’t even allow people to do recommend what s/he sells for the same reason.

EllieMay also wrote, "If it's based on how many bags are sold, then why wouldn't my vet feed it to her dogs? She does not.” Perhaps you should look at it this way: If your vet is choosing to buy a different food from a different store, despite getting the food she sells cheap or free, maybe you shouldn’t feed your dogs that food either.

Most vets are great, wonderful people, and they do the best they can with the information they have been given. That being said, I would never trust my health and well-being on one individual’s opinion; I would trust it to many, as well as educate myself with unbiased opinions. THEN make the choice for myself. That is all I am asking for people to do here.

Well well it appears the polite police have a new chief -- If you don't like what I have to say, use your ignore button. I am planning to use mine right now. As for my dog's diet - I'll stick with my vet and the entire alphabet of letters and degrees behind her name. Happy Googling to you.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by Lil Ladies

Barney, in order to try to win this argument, you are just insulting me and taking things I have written out of context. You don’t know who I am or what I do. To be so rude to me because you don't share the same opinion is uncalled for, and using insults and twisting things out of proportion is not proving anything other than your ignorance on the subject, even if you are convincing the others that I am some idiot “googling” things and that hates vets or whatever.

Again, and regardless of food choice, you should always see your vet if something is wrong; do not wager the health of your baby on web advice. Please stop twisting my words on the matter. Also, as people, different dogs do well on different foods. There are many sides to this, as there are pros and cons to every matter. I simply believe there are better choices than corn as a main ingredient for a carb or grain, like barley for example. If you have evidence in the other direction, I would appreciate you sharing it instead of trying to bully me away from this forum.



There are some great points that EllieMay wrote, that I would like to address:

”0/10 [vets] who care about money more than animals and people” and “ …a lot of nutrition training in vet school comes from dog food companies at times is because these companies are the ones that put out the money for research.” These are points I was trying to make. A vet, like any other business, needs money to keep the doors open, and retail is a great way to do so. It doesn’t mean the vet is a corrupt, horrible person trying to poison your pet. Your vet is most likely giving you advice for what he truly believes to be great food, as he was taught. However, the entire process is a conflict of interest. YorkieTalk doesn’t even allow people to do recommend what s/he sells for the same reason.

EllieMay also wrote, "If it's based on how many bags are sold, then why wouldn't my vet feed it to her dogs? She does not.” Perhaps you should look at it this way: If your vet is choosing to buy a different food from a different store, despite getting the food she sells cheap or free, maybe you shouldn’t feed your dogs that food either.

Most vets are great, wonderful people, and they do the best they can with the information they have been given. That being said, I would never trust my health and well-being on one individual’s opinion; I would trust it to many, as well as educate myself with unbiased opinions. THEN make the choice for myself. That is all I am asking for people to do here.

BTW, I don't care who you are or what you do. I only care that your bad advice might be followed by someone whose vet recommended an Rx food because they believe the website you referenced is credible when it is one of the worst I have ever seen on the topic of canine nutrition. And, I did not twist any of your words. Read your first post.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Lil Ladies

Barney, in order to try to win this argument, you are just insulting me and taking things I have written out of context. You don’t know who I am or what I do. To be so rude to me because you don't share the same opinion is uncalled for, and using insults and twisting things out of proportion is not proving anything other than your ignorance on the subject, even if you are convincing the others that I am some idiot “googling” things and that hates vets or whatever.

Again, and regardless of food choice, you should always see your vet if something is wrong; do not wager the health of your baby on web advice. Please stop twisting my words on the matter. Also, as people, different dogs do well on different foods. There are many sides to this, as there are pros and cons to every matter. I simply believe there are better choices than corn as a main ingredient for a carb or grain, like barley for example. If you have evidence in the other direction, I would appreciate you sharing it instead of trying to bully me away from this forum.

Seriously? You gave what I deemed to be bad advice to the OP and it gets corrected by someone and NOW you want to flip it around and accuse someone of bullying you???? And.....trying to get you to leave this forum? Perhaps I might be reading your post as being guilty of just that...trying to shut others up!

[azkaty]

There are a few people here having a bad day..

[ChibiLuv]

Just wanted to add that Banfield the pet hospital does get paid to reccomend Science diet and Royal Canin. Also some vet hospitals that carry that food in thier hospital do get kick backs (I've worked at several that did). Doesnt make it bad or good, just thought you all should know.
Personally I think every dog is diffrent and what works for one may not work for another even if it is a "better" food. As long as we're not feeding Ol'Roy its all good

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by ChibiLuv

Just wanted to add that Banfield the pet hospital does get paid to reccomend Science diet and Royal Canin. Also some vet hospitals that carry that food in thier hospital do get kick backs (I've worked at several that did). Doesnt make it bad or good, just thought you all should know.
Personally I think every dog is diffrent and what works for one may not work for another even if it is a "better" food. As long as we're not feeding Ol'Roy its all good

So what do they do to prove they have recommended it? I have never had anyone ask me who advised me to purchase a dog food.

Now, if you are referring to prescription foods, most vets carry all RX foods...or have access to them....and of course there is a profit however small or large it may be. That would be expected. Bottom line: prescription foods are a must in a good veterinary clinic. What would you expect them to do? They are selling those foods in order to maintain the health and well being of the animals they care for. I am frightened to see the numbers of people who don't buy RX foods because they are afraid the vet might make a profit. Those RX foods have saved quite a few of my pups over the years.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by azkaty

There are a few people here having a bad day..

If you meant me, I am having a wonderful day.

[107barney]

Originally Posted by ChibiLuv

Just wanted to add that Banfield the pet hospital does get paid to reccomend Science diet and Royal Canin. Also some vet hospitals that carry that food in thier hospital do get kick backs (I've worked at several that did). Doesnt make it bad or good, just thought you all should know.
Personally I think every dog is diffrent and what works for one may not work for another even if it is a "better" food. As long as we're not feeding Ol'Roy its all good

Who cares if a vet gets a portion of the sale? Does that mean there is an automatic conflict of interest? I think the vet's first and foremost responsibility is to his/her patients -- and if that is in question then you have the wrong vet. It really is ok to change. My vet charges prices below the internet on heartworm, flea and tick, prescription foods, and the few other items that they stock and carry. Last I checked, my vet wasn't trying to sell me toys or clothing -- it isn't a boutique. It's a medical office with a few additional items carried for the convenience of the clients.

And, I have no problem with someone feeding Ol Roy food if that is what they can afford and that is what their dog does well on.

I'm just amazed at the # of judgmental bullies around here.

[LuvTaycieGirl]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

So what do they do to prove they have recommended it? I have never had anyone ask me who advised me to purchase a dog food.

Now, if you are referring to prescription foods, most vets carry all RX foods...or have access to them....and of course there is a profit however small or large it may be. That would be expected. Bottom line: prescription foods are a must in a good veterinary clinic. What would you expect them to do? They are selling those foods in order to maintain the health and well being of the animals they care for. I am frightened to see the numbers of people who don't buy RX foods because they are afraid the vet might make a profit. Those RX foods have saved quite a few of my pups over the years.

I am amazed at the results I am getting with Taycie's RX diet. As far as profit goes, I am happy my vet gets a percentage, I think they deserve it. I do expect quality vet care, I want answers to all my questions when I call so if they end up make an extra amount of my $29 bag of dog food. Great!