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DvlshAngel985 · 04-07-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

i wasn't aiming that comment toward you - never thought of it.

i did ask for opinions, and i respect yours.

i still haven't decided what to do.

EWW! I just read my post, it sounded so negative! I didn't mean it in a negative way. Ugh, this is the only downfall to the forum, you can't tell the difference between regular conversing and negative vibes. I didn't mean it that way, honest.

DvlshAngel985 · 04-07-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ellaYORKIE

Yeah, i did. It just looked so odd. All that mumbo jumbo on the screen. I've had my signature this way since i joined YT last year and it's never messed up. Or anyone elses for that matter. Idk what's going on. BTW i didn't see your post. I would have responded there. =]

It's still lonely out there in cyber world. Wanna go keep it company and post a comment?

LuvMyPuppE · 04-07-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985

EWW! I just read my post, it sounded so negative! I didn't mean it in a negative way. Ugh, this is the only downfall to the forum, you can't tell the difference between regular conversing and negative vibes. I didn't mean it that way, honest.

lol - it's okay. obviously you haven't read some of my other posts or you'd know i'm not known for being a diplomat!

Britster · 04-08-2010, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

I don't like them for many reasons, but I don't really get the, "We must have a fence" thing either.

IMO (and I'm sure contrary to the opinion of many people on YT), small dogs should not be left outside alone. It's not safe in most areas of the US. And since somebody should be out there with them, I don't see the problem with a harness and tieout. So I don't really get the debate about it at all.

I will say -- it's VERY nice when we visit over at my dad's house with their fenced in yard and their 2 dogs. It definitely is different. When we go back home, we live on 3 acres and it's awkwardly shaped. There's also no way we could afford to fence the entire property.

Currently, you open my sliding glass door, and there's a big patio there, because I had wanted to get a bunch of expens, or chicken wire or something, and had a big square area he could just go out... but the porch kind of makes us not able to do that. So I have a retractable stake in the ground (it came with a 20 foot retractable leash) and that pretty much gave him no room, so I got a 50 foot nylon leash that I clip onto the 20 foot retractable, and it definitely gives him space. We're able to play frisbee and stuff with him on it, but the leash is semi heavy to drag (for him) and... it's just not the same.

Again, I considered the invisible fence but I dunno.... I probably will end up not doing it.

Ellie May · 04-08-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Britster

I will say -- it's VERY nice when we visit over at my dad's house with their fenced in yard and their 2 dogs. It definitely is different. When we go back home, we live on 3 acres and it's awkwardly shaped. There's also no way we could afford to fence the entire property.

Currently, you open my sliding glass door, and there's a big patio there, because I had wanted to get a bunch of expens, or chicken wire or something, and had a big square area he could just go out... but the porch kind of makes us not able to do that. So I have a retractable stake in the ground (it came with a 20 foot retractable leash) and that pretty much gave him no room, so I got a 50 foot nylon leash that I clip onto the 20 foot retractable, and it definitely gives him space. We're able to play frisbee and stuff with him on it, but the leash is semi heavy to drag (for him) and... it's just not the same.

Again, I considered the invisible fence but I dunno.... I probably will end up not doing it.

I could see some being heavy, but the ones I'm thinking of...pretty light. Ellie always seemed fine with them and she is 1/2 his size.

Hmmm. Probably talking about two entirely different products. I mean, it wasn't the perfect set up, but it didn't seem to bother her much.

QuickSilver · 04-08-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyPuppE

i've tried putting my pup on a harness/tieout when my kids are playing outside (and i'm in and out - mostly out) but the second i turn around, my kids unhook her!

that's been a big issue with crate training as well - the second i get into the shower or something - they let her out of the crate.

Do you think your kids might take the collar off? It won't work without the collar.

Someone brought up another good point, that some dogs acclimate to the shock.

Look at it this way: how much does your dog like to chase squirrels? The pain from the shock will have to be painful enough to outweigh the pleasure of squirrel chasing for her. In other words, pretty painful. So to me... if it's just a little pinch like some people say, the dog is not going to care. The dog only cares if it really hurts, which is not humane.

I'm not sure if the humane society has a specific position, but if they do, I can assure you it will be against. Electric fences are very "old school" training.

I'm thinking with some ingenuity, you can set up a tie line that your kids can't mess with. Maybe loop the line around something you can use a small padlock on?

Britster · 04-08-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellie May

I could see some being heavy, but the ones I'm thinking of...pretty light. Ellie always seemed fine with them and she is 1/2 his size.

Hmmm. Probably talking about two entirely different products. I mean, it wasn't the perfect set up, but it didn't seem to bother her much.

This is the one we have:

50' Foot Dog Training Leash Lead Puppy Obedience BLACK - eBay (item 360211407244 end time Apr-23-10 16:35:23 PDT)

I wouldn't call it "heavy" but I think the fact that it's 50 feet makes for dragging it around a bit more, maybe I could get him a shorter one (30 feet or something) that I could not tie up and allow him to drag, so that he can not be tied up to anything, yet there's still enough leash for me to step on it if he decides to run... LOL! This leash is how I've been training him to actually be off leash though and not fenced in. Because he gets a lot of freedom even tho he's on leash, but I have a way to make sure he comes when called, and the past few times he got out, he's come right back to me, so I think our training is working, hopefully.

I wouldn't say it bothers him but I know it'd be easier off leash. With the tie-out lead... it's constantly getting twisted around his ankles, under his legs, around a tree, around anything it can seem to get stuck on (and we have a whole 3 acres out front, and it ALWAYS manages to get stuck on something, lol)

Britster · 04-08-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by QuickSilver

Do you think your kids might take the collar off? It won't work without the collar.

Someone brought up another good point, that some dogs acclimate to the shock.

Look at it this way: how much does your dog like to chase squirrels? The pain from the shock will have to be painful enough to outweigh the pleasure of squirrel chasing for her. In other words, pretty painful. So to me... if it's just a little pinch like some people say, the dog is not going to care. The dog only cares if it really hurts, which is not humane.

I'm not sure if the humane society has a specific position, but if they do, I can assure you it will be against. Electric fences are very "old school" training.

I'm thinking with some ingenuity, you can set up a tie line that your kids can't mess with. Maybe loop the line around something you can use a small padlock on?

Most rescues I see on petfinder state "no electric fences" so I'm sure Human Society would not approve.

shodanusmc · 04-08-2010, 11:22 AM

No, not for a yorkie. Delicate necks and a shock will stree them out. I would build a small dog run connected to the house as an option, or just fence in a small area. You going to leave your yorkie out alone with hawks, coyotes and theives out in force? We have a fence around the property line of 1/2 acre, and one of us still goes out when the little dog is out. So I say no, but for a larger dog, after a day of training, yes. I tried the Electric collar on my corso when he was young for training purposes. It got his attention, but when he got fired up as a youngster, even the highest setting had no effect.

gfoster · 04-08-2010, 11:32 AM

I have invisible fence on our yard as I have a lab/mix as well as the Yorkie. I recently got a collar for Duke (yorkie) and we're working on the training. I have no intention of leaving him out there unattended as I would be worried about other dogs coming in or hawks, etc. However, it will be very nice for him to run around out there with our other dog and play, or just run around when we are outside.

Last summer we spent more time untangling poor duke than he did playing. Our system has a micro collar designed for smaller dogs. He will get a warning beep before any correction even happens, and the collar is set to the lowest correction mode.

They are smart little dogs, and they learn very quick. If they have learned their boundries they won't even be effected by the collar.

I don't see anything wrong with it but that is only my opinion. I do agree they shouldn't be left out there unattended.

LuvMyPuppE · 04-08-2010, 08:02 PM

yeah, that's an issue as well - her getting tangled up in the line.

she also knocks her water bowl all over the place with the cord.

i still don't know what i'll do-my husband met a lady yesterday while he was working who has a dog pen she wants hauled off - which means free dog pen for me.

i think i'll have him put that up and see how it works first. it's not really big from what he told me, but it has a gate and a cover on the top.

it would just be nice to be able to let her run free on the property without being confined at all - the wireless fence would only stop her from going into the road - and she'd have tons of space to run.

we'll see how the pen works.

ladyjane · 04-08-2010, 08:07 PM

Bottom line, in my opinion, those fences are dangerous. Forget the shock.

Any animal can come across and if you think you don't have any risk of wild animals, think about the number of domestic animals that are allowed to run loose. It takes only seconds for one large dog to snatch a yorkie up, shake it, and kill it.

LuvMyPuppE · 04-08-2010, 08:30 PM

my dog isn't a yorkie - for the record.

secondly, if i do get a fence, i would also have a doggy door so she could get inside anytime she wanted or needed to.

i really wouldn't be concerned about wild animals in the middle of the day when i'm home and my dog could run inside.

she's an inside dog, so it would mostly be so that she couldn't run into the road when we're outside together (gives a little more peace of mind when swimming, barbequeing, or running inside to pee). also, she would be able to go out and potty in the case i am in the shower or bathing my children - without worrying about her getting ran over.

i'm going to try the dog pen first and see how it works, but the fence isn't out of the question for me. i'm still undecided.

ladyjane · 04-08-2010, 08:36 PM

My my, I guess I assumed since it is a yorkie forum.....I do realize that not everyone has yorkies so...I just wrongly assumed. I just went back and reread your post and it does not say what breed you own... BUT....let us just say that MY opinion is that those fences are dangerous. I gave it since you asked.

The priest at my son's high school had a lab that routinely ran past hers to chase squirrels. One day she never came home.

I don't think it matters what size a dog is.....it could be prey to another dog.

Good luck with whatever you do.

LuvMyPuppE · 04-08-2010, 08:54 PM

rightful assumption! i am looking for a yorkie - haven't found mine yet, but that's why i'm here at YT.

in my search for a yorkie, i rescued a fox terrier pup - she's nine pounds and will gain a few more - but, yeah, any dog can be prey.

that's not my main concern since i wouldn't be leaving her outside unupervised while i'm gone or anything like that. my husband came across this dog pen just after i posted this thread, so we'll see how that works.

my kids are just such rascals! i'm so afraid they are going to let her out while i'm in the shower or something like that - and she'll get ran over. so far, they've let her out and said, "she was sniffing around - she needed to go potty!"

kids will be kids - i'd just hate for them to find her dead in the road as a result.

04-08-2010, 11:32 AM	#55
gfoster Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: rochester, NY, USA Posts: 102	I have invisible fence on our yard as I have a lab/mix as well as the Yorkie. I recently got a collar for Duke (yorkie) and we're working on the training. I have no intention of leaving him out there unattended as I would be worried about other dogs coming in or hawks, etc. However, it will be very nice for him to run around out there with our other dog and play, or just run around when we are outside. Last summer we spent more time untangling poor duke than he did playing. Our system has a micro collar designed for smaller dogs. He will get a warning beep before any correction even happens, and the collar is set to the lowest correction mode. They are smart little dogs, and they learn very quick. If they have learned their boundries they won't even be effected by the collar. I don't see anything wrong with it but that is only my opinion. I do agree they shouldn't be left out there unattended. __________________ Gina Duke R.I.P 7/2/11

04-08-2010, 08:07 PM	#57
ladyjane Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 27,490	Bottom line, in my opinion, those fences are dangerous. Forget the shock. Any animal can come across and if you think you don't have any risk of wild animals, think about the number of domestic animals that are allowed to run loose. It takes only seconds for one large dog to snatch a yorkie up, shake it, and kill it. __________________ CLOUD NINE BEDS--YORKIE HAVEN RESCUE MY ETSY SHOP

04-08-2010, 08:36 PM	#59
ladyjane Resident Yorkie Nut Donating YT 20K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 27,490	My my, I guess I assumed since it is a yorkie forum.....I do realize that not everyone has yorkies so...I just wrongly assumed. I just went back and reread your post and it does not say what breed you own... BUT....let us just say that MY opinion is that those fences are dangerous. I gave it since you asked. The priest at my son's high school had a lab that routinely ran past hers to chase squirrels. One day she never came home. I don't think it matters what size a dog is.....it could be prey to another dog. Good luck with whatever you do. __________________ CLOUD NINE BEDS--YORKIE HAVEN RESCUE MY ETSY SHOP

04-08-2010, 11:22 AM	#54
shodanusmc BANNED! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,603	No, not for a yorkie. Delicate necks and a shock will stree them out. I would build a small dog run connected to the house as an option, or just fence in a small area. You going to leave your yorkie out alone with hawks, coyotes and theives out in force? We have a fence around the property line of 1/2 acre, and one of us still goes out when the little dog is out. So I say no, but for a larger dog, after a day of training, yes. I tried the Electric collar on my corso when he was young for training purposes. It got his attention, but when he got fired up as a youngster, even the highest setting had no effect.

04-08-2010, 08:02 PM	#56
LuvMyPuppE Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: TN Posts: 200	yeah, that's an issue as well - her getting tangled up in the line. she also knocks her water bowl all over the place with the cord. i still don't know what i'll do-my husband met a lady yesterday while he was working who has a dog pen she wants hauled off - which means free dog pen for me. i think i'll have him put that up and see how it works first. it's not really big from what he told me, but it has a gate and a cover on the top. it would just be nice to be able to let her run free on the property without being confined at all - the wireless fence would only stop her from going into the road - and she'd have tons of space to run. we'll see how the pen works.

04-08-2010, 08:30 PM	#58
LuvMyPuppE Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: TN Posts: 200	my dog isn't a yorkie - for the record. secondly, if i do get a fence, i would also have a doggy door so she could get inside anytime she wanted or needed to. i really wouldn't be concerned about wild animals in the middle of the day when i'm home and my dog could run inside. she's an inside dog, so it would mostly be so that she couldn't run into the road when we're outside together (gives a little more peace of mind when swimming, barbequeing, or running inside to pee). also, she would be able to go out and potty in the case i am in the shower or bathing my children - without worrying about her getting ran over. i'm going to try the dog pen first and see how it works, but the fence isn't out of the question for me. i'm still undecided.

04-08-2010, 08:54 PM	#60
LuvMyPuppE Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: TN Posts: 200	rightful assumption! i am looking for a yorkie - haven't found mine yet, but that's why i'm here at YT. in my search for a yorkie, i rescued a fox terrier pup - she's nine pounds and will gain a few more - but, yeah, any dog can be prey. that's not my main concern since i wouldn't be leaving her outside unupervised while i'm gone or anything like that. my husband came across this dog pen just after i posted this thread, so we'll see how that works. my kids are just such rascals! i'm so afraid they are going to let her out while i'm in the shower or something like that - and she'll get ran over. so far, they've let her out and said, "she was sniffing around - she needed to go potty!" kids will be kids - i'd just hate for them to find her dead in the road as a result.