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03-08-2007, 11:49 AM | #1 |
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| Opinions or comments please I posted on another sections but didn't get any responses. I've spoke with my vet about neutering my 3 boys. He says he uses a combination injection of xylazine and ketamine. I've not read a lot about these, but what I have read really bothers me. Maybe I'm better off leaving them intact? JPop is 3, Taz is 1 1/2, and TJ is 5 months. Any advise would be appreciated. Linda |
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03-08-2007, 12:02 PM | #2 |
Banning Thread Dictator Donating Member | Sorry, I'm not familiar enough with xylazine and ketamine to give you any advice. I'd suggest calling some other vets outside your area and hearing what they have to say. I will give you major props for checking it out, though. I wouldn't have even considered it. There are a lot of health problems that can result from unneutered dogs, so I would encourage you to do it if you find out the anesthesia is OK.
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03-08-2007, 12:21 PM | #3 |
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| I'm not familiar with either of those drugs, but I found this and perhaps it will help you decide: The authors have successfully used an intravenous combination o? 0.2 mg/kg diazepam (Valium, HoffmanLaRoche) and 5 to 7 mg/kg ketamine for anesthetic induction. Xylazine (Rompun, Miles) and phenothiazine tranquilizers (such as acepromazine) should be avoided in animals less than 3 months old because of their potential to cause bradycardia (decreased cardiac output) and hypotension, respectively. http://members.aol.com/CYorkie/EarlySpayNeuter.html I wouldn't leave them in tact. The tendency for cancer in later life is too great. Good luck with your decision.
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03-08-2007, 12:23 PM | #4 |
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| Are those two drugs used to anesthesize him?
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03-08-2007, 12:54 PM | #5 |
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03-08-2007, 02:03 PM | #6 |
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| All I know about ketamine is that it has grown tremendously as a street drug that people use to get high off of. I heard it was a cat tranqulizer, that is most often stolen from Vet offices. Then the ketamine (on the street called "K" or "Special K") is cooked over heat where it turns into crystals that have to then be cut down into a fine powder, that is what is then sold on the street. I have know someone that did get into the habit of using "K" via injections. What a scary sight that was - OMG - this person was catatonic - very F*** up!!! |
03-08-2007, 02:22 PM | #7 |
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| I'd find a vet that uses inhaled anasthesia (gas like Isoflourane). These guys are way to small to be using injectable anasthetics. I just found this on Xylazine: *Xylazine: can-0.6-2 mg/kg IM, IV, por-2-4 mg/kg IM, rab, guinea pigs-3-5 mg/kg IM, other rodents-4-8 mg/kg IM, budgies-10 mg/kg IM, bov-0.05-0.3 mg/kg IM, IV, ov, cap-0.01-0.22 mg/kg IV, IV. frog- 10 mg/kg IP, SQ Alpha 2 adrenergic agonist causing sedation, analgesia and significant hypotension. May cause 2nd degree heart block and bradycardia in dogs and other species. Frequently causes emesis in dogs. It can be administered to frogs for very effective analgesia of up to 24 hours duration. I'd find a new vet, if it were my dogs. Sorry
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03-08-2007, 02:24 PM | #8 |
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| vet I would ask soem toy breeders in your area who they use for a vet...they have very safe medications for toys.. My vet uses Isoflorine and another new improved type..forgot the name, but wil get it...no need to prior sedation..good luck |
03-08-2007, 02:32 PM | #9 |
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| Okay, I don't know, maybe someone else knows more about this topic, but I think that gas anesthetics are supposed to be safer for small dogs, not injectable anesthetics. My vet uses a gas like Isoflurine, I believe...He is able to wake up very quickly after they stop the gas.... There's no need to keep them intact. Neutering is important, but I suggest you talk to your vet about using a gas like that or a different vet who has more experience with small animals. Good luck!! Sorry, I'm not much help.
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03-08-2007, 02:45 PM | #10 |
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| That's IT! IsoflourIne I was close There's another gas called Sevoflourine that is safe as well. They do wake up much faster with the gas, and chance of overdose is smaller with the gas as well. You can stop the gas and the effects start going away immediately, injectables are in their bodies and it's way too easy to give too much I hope that everyone here helped ya. Yes, get them neutered but do it safely. I'm so happy that you're a smart person and you're doing your homework first!
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03-09-2007, 06:09 AM | #11 |
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| Thanks to all that responded. I will definitely do more research before I do anything. |
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