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08-01-2011, 07:47 AM | #46 | |
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I will be searching for some kind of chew that is safe for him in the future. I will consult with this vet as well as his original vet and if I can find a certified nutritionist, I will be doing this as well. Just to be clear, he was on IV fluids from Sunday afternoon-Monday evening. He was not on fluids Tuesday-Thursday. Was given sub-q fluids Thursday, Friday and yesterday (Sunday).
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08-01-2011, 07:53 AM | #47 | |
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Great on finding a food above. Be careful though, it is not known all ingredients that can trigger pancreatitis. I did understand your posts about fluids, but whether they are on IV or subc, I have never seen this long of a timeline for pancreatitis fluids based on my very limited experience. First time with my dog was a 4 day hospitalization with 48 hours NPO on IV and the rest was small meals. Second issue, only subc fluids given for management at home. That's what I meant - he is still getting fluids over the course of a week or so, and I've never heard of that.
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08-01-2011, 08:00 AM | #48 | |
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I will research everything thoroughly before making a decision for sure. Alot of senior and weight management foods seem good. Even though Natura Pets was bought out by P&G, California Natural and Innova have a few good formulas.
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08-01-2011, 08:53 AM | #49 |
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| Nancy (don't feel like quoting), This is an older text, but: "Prevent Stimulation of Pancreatic Secretion Restrict oral intake to lace the pancrea at "rest." Nothing per os usually is required ofr 3-4 days or longer. Food (especially fats and proteins) stimulates pancreatic secretion through choleccystokinin (CCK) release. Even fluids can stimulate pancreatic secretion through gastric distension and release of gastrin." Saunders Manual of Small Animal Practice Birchard and Sherding Copyright 1994 This isn't something I've researched yet, but I do have serious hesitations about giving pancreatitis prone dogs high protein snacks. The above is talking about what to do right after an episode, but still if I know it stimulates pancreatic secretions, I'm not going to let a pancreatitis prone pup chew on it for an hour a day. I think it's a question best posed to a vet or vet nutritionist though. As for healthy dogs being restricted on protein to protect the pancreas, not sure that that is necessary. I'd be more concerned about the overworking of the liver and kidneys. But still not going to let a healthy dog chew on straight protein for long periods. Actually, with some of these bullies that can be swallowed, I'm sure excessive intake is unbalancing the cal/phos ratio in the food. Since we have no idea about every food that can trigger an issue, I'd so hard to say. Will be going to pubmed to see what I can find though. My healthy pup isn't allowed to chew on high protein snacks all day. It's not because I'm concerned about his pancreas, but that I think in general protein or protein and fat alone in the form of a treat can become problematic quickly. I don't believe these are healthy snacks, so we avoid them. But I may have misworded my other post if I said I have scientific evidence that says high protein foods do trigger a pancreas issue. I see it as being theoretically possible.
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08-01-2011, 09:03 AM | #50 | |
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08-01-2011, 12:32 PM | #51 |
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| Something interesting about protein/phosphorus/kidneys: PetDiets Maintenance level of protein is like 20-25% (anywhere from 15-30% seems to be considered acceptable in one case or another).
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