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08-01-2011, 06:29 AM | #31 |
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| I really doubt that TOTW in a 15%ish fat form triggered Jackson's pancreatitis because there were so many other things he was getting that are much more likely the culprit. Certain people foods and lots of higher protein things like bully sticks would make me much more nervous than TOTW in a healthy dog. And you can feed just the right thing and your pup can still get an angry pancreas, so I wouldn't worry too much about kibble triggering it unless it isn't lower fat. Protein also stimulates the pancreas, so JMHO I think it's best to be careful about how much is given. Nobody knows for sure what can set it off... I'm not a fan of this food, but that could be said about a lot of foods. That said, I wouldn't stop feeding over just pancreas concerns. I'd email the company and ask what their maximum fat % and protein % is in the ones you feed because the minimum % is given.
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08-01-2011, 06:38 AM | #32 |
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| ^^I agree. I would be much more concerned about what your pup is eating, if anything, in addition to the TOTW kibble.
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08-01-2011, 06:46 AM | #33 | |
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This came about because he was eating way too many fatty human foods. He was doing fantastic on his diet and had he just never eaten too much fatty human junk food, I really don't believe we'd be dealing with this problem. I still believe in grain-free because I don't feel dogs NEED grains. I don't think they are necessarily harmful, either, but I just don't think it's a necessity. For the time being, because we are still dealing with getting him better, I am feeding the veterinary RX food Purina E/N. However the vet told me he does not have to be on this forever. I have found a lot of foods that seem to be comparable. He will not be on RX food forever unless it's an absolute necessity for him to survive and thrive. Yes, now, I will have to be very careful about his diet. But I don't believe a healthy dog needs to be on a super low fat, super low protein diet either. And actually, TOTW Sierra is in the low spectrum of things and I wouldn't go any lower than that for a healthy dog (25% protein, 15% fat). But I also probably wouldn't go higher than 31% or so. I think ingredients are more important than just actual numbers.
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08-01-2011, 06:48 AM | #34 | |
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08-01-2011, 06:51 AM | #35 |
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| Thanks everyone I am calming down. It just seems like so little is know about pancreatitis. Then there is the high protein vs low protein debates. I was reading on the internet and found something that said small dogs should not eat over 22% protein. The only foods I know like that are NB LID diets. All the small dog formulas (Solid Gold, Wellness, ...) have about 28% fat. Organic does not have anything to do with the protein and fat levels. One article even said don't bother with organic for your dog (scare tactic). I feel like a bobble head today-LOL
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08-01-2011, 06:58 AM | #36 | |
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08-01-2011, 07:00 AM | #37 | |
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Believe me, it's a lot to take in. I've felt like a bobble head too. The thing is, I don't think you can read one thing and take it as a fact. Every dog is different and you have to just see what your individual dog does best on. There's no hard-fast rule for specific breeds or dogs in general. And 28% fat? I've never seen fat that high on those foods. Did you mean protein? And yeah, personally, I wouldn't really bother with organics when it comes to dog food -- sometimes I think it's a load of crap when it comes to people food, too. I think dog food in general started as one big scare tactic. Dog food in kibble form did not really become mainstream until the 1950's when dog food companies decided to make ads saying "human food is bad for your dogs!" etc, etc, and scared people into feeding kibble.
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08-01-2011, 07:00 AM | #38 |
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| Organic isn't legally defined for pet food companies, so I don't bother with it for my dogs. Totally untrue that small dogs shouldn't have more than 22% protein. Also untrue that low protein foods are bad. High protein doesn't cause kidney damage, but it does have to be metabolized and the kidneys have to eliminate the excess nitrogen. So I choose not to put extra stress on my pups' liver and kidneys. Some think it's no big thing. Personal preference. I believe all Yorkies should be on low fat diets and Dr. Remillard (BC nutritionist) leans towards lower fat food for Yorkies. They are prone to pancreas issues. I won't take the risk of feeding high fat. Not necessary and not safe IMO.
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08-01-2011, 07:02 AM | #39 |
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| What is the fat % range that Dr. R recommends for Yorkies?
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08-01-2011, 07:09 AM | #40 |
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08-01-2011, 07:11 AM | #41 |
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| Cathy might know and it will vary a bit when dealing with other health conditions (like L/D is higher is fat, but still a good choice for liver issues, etc.). Ellie's homecooked diet was 18% (still considered low). After a couple bouts of pancreatitis and some GI issues, it went down to 1% fat. It varies so much by pup that that is hard to answer (would be a good question for her). I know she liked the adult chicken recipe (11% fat) on her site for Cathy's Teddy Bumpkins with no hx of pancreas issues. Could help prevent an issue in the future... Also, when it's homecooked, you know the exact %. When it's kibble, you just get the minimum %.
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08-01-2011, 07:13 AM | #42 |
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| Sorry ment 28% protein on most "small dog" kibbles bags.
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08-01-2011, 07:24 AM | #43 |
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| I'm going to contact the manufacturer of my boys' kibble and try to find out the maximum fat percentage. We'll see if they respond.
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08-01-2011, 07:37 AM | #45 | |
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Dr. R recommended that I feed Teddy her standard adult recipe for chicken, brown rice, and vegetables for dogs. That diet is 11% fat. Teddy has had no digestive issues but we are feeding that for pancreatitis prevention because I told Dr. R I believe the breed is predisposed and she agreed that it was a good idea to lower the fat. However, I recently asked Dr. R for a kibble recommendation for Teddy as a back up, and she recommended a 16% fat kibble. Between the two foods, Teddy will average probably 14% assuming I use kibble often which I will likely not do. She also formulated a diet for Barney, it is 23% protein, 3% fat after his second pancreatitis attack. He was on 25% protein, 15% fat after the first pancreatitis attack at age 5. He ate treats, etc. However, his cases of pancreatitis were very mild in comparison to Jackson who is still on fluids 8 or 9 days into this. If Jackson were mine, he would be on no more than 10-12% fat for the rest of his life, he'd be eating carbohydrates and he'd be eating 22-25% protein. He would not be allowed to have bullies, or any other treats aside from vegetables or chicken breast etc. Daisy is formulated differently than my boys. She has no problem with higher fat, however Dr. R formuated her diet at 5% fat.
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