Attention Raw Feeders !

[concretegurl]

Typo..my former kibble choice as well one you listed was rated highest.

Anyways the comment wasnt specific to you, I think thats how you took it maybe.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Typo..my former kibble choice as well one you listed was rated highest.

Anyways the comment wasnt specific to you, I think thats how you took it maybe.

I don't think it matters...me or anyone else. What people choose to feed their pups should not be called junk food imho.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

No need....I do my consults with veterinary nutritionists...not online self proclaimed nutritionists. I am quite happy with what I feed my pups AND their overall health. As for cancer causing foods...knock wood...I have never had a pup with cancer...but if I did, I would not be blaming their food for it.

Lol wow!
Mine is from UC Davis veterinary hospital actually they were part of the testing hense the referal to raw feeding I got

You really get agro huh?
your comments get pretty darn vicious when you dont like what you gere or agree.
its so unnecisary really.its not like I typed it in pink

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Lol wow!
Mine is from UC Davis veterinary hospital actually they were part of the testing hense the referal to raw feeding I got

You really get agro huh?

Sorry...don't follow you here...

[Ellie May]

I don't care that my girl's food is corn and soy based 'junk' because it is keeping her alive. And I'm not sure who is independently rating kibbles, but I'd like to know how long their feeding trials are... I've seen and heard of sick dogs on foods that are one, two, three, four , five, six, etc. stars. The same goes for raw and homecooked (exp. unbalanced).

While I think kibble is far from great as far as ingredients and such go, and there is a lot of room for improvement, if there was rat poison in it, dogs woud be bleeding out... And some raw feeders and small kibble comanies use forms of byproducts under different names.

[Britster]

Kibble, as we've seen by recent recalls, is not protected from salmonella. Feeding raw and contracting salmonella are the least of my worries. I think a dog has an equally great chance of contracting it through kibble or raw. And as we saw with Diamond, humans were getting ill from the dog food. So maybe the AVMA should worry about that issue first. There's really no getting around certain things - kibble is going to be recalled, raw is going to be, and human foods are recalled every day. It's just a matter of doing what you feel is safest and works best for your pet.

I have no issue calling something like Beneful or Ol Roy or Dog Chow junk food. IMO, it *is* junk food. But I don't write off a food anymore just because it has corn in it for example. I don't think any dog food should be primarily corn-based protein (I really don't even think it's all that great for humans) but I don't think corn is evil anymore either. I don't think foods primarily potato based are much better either. But sorry, if I see a food with an ingredient list like this:

Ingredients: Ground yellow corn, meat and bone meal, soybean meal, chicken by-product meal, wheat middlings, animal fat [preserved with BHA and citric acid], natural flavor, brewers rice, salt, calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, choline chloride, color added [red #40, yellow #5, blue #2], zinc sulfate, vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, niacin, copper sulfate, vitamin A supplement, biotin, manganous oxide, calcium pantothenate, vitamin B12 supplement, thiamine mononitrate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, menadione sodium bisulfite complex [source of vitamin K activity], riboflavin supplement, sodium selenite, calcium iodate, folic acid, vitamin D3 supplement, cobalt carbonate

I'm going to say it's junk lol.

The AVMA should be focusing on quality and manufacturing of ALL pet food and where the ingredients are coming from, what quality, and how it's handled. To single out raw food is stupid IMO. And I'm not even a raw feeder.

[tem_sat]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

And some raw feeders and small kibble comanies use forms of byproducts under different names.

I can't speak for kibble companies or commercial raw, but if one feeds whole fish, for example, one would indeed be feeding parts (head, guts, fins) which are not meant for human consumption (depending upon the species of fish). I do indeed feed duck and chicken heads from my farmer who supplies me with eggs and feet from his pastured chickens. Those I receive for free as they are not allowed to be sold. Both examples would clearly be considered by-products. As long the offal is of the best quality one can afford, there is certainly no reason not to feed it.

P.S. Yes, it took me a few days to get over chicken head shock. Now they don't freak me out.

[Wylie's Mom]

From that letter: "discourage the feeding to cats and dogs of any animal source protein that has not first been subjected to a process to eliminate pathogens because of the risk of illness to cats and dogs as well as humans."

Okay...I got a little giggle from this. Um, what about the salmonella that is found in pretty much every bag of kibble? Um, how are they going to recommend kibble then?

I do have to wonder if anyone in the pet food industry (or strongly affiliated) is behind this, or will be voting on this. It's interesting that after the person asked for the list of voters, AVMA didn't respond. It may mean nothing though.

I feed premade raw and am really comfy with it. I have nothing against kibbles or canned or homecook though - I think a person just finds what works for their beliefs, and more importantly -- for their individual doggie.

Some kiddos have very complicated issues - and very limited options. In that case, you really have to tailor it to the doggie, even if (for example) the ingredients wouldn't necessarily be your first choice.

To EATch their own! (sorry...that was so lame)

[gracielove]

Most people trust their vet to tell them what the best food for their pet is. Sadly raw foods are rarely one of the options given to the pet owner. In my area the local veternary college receives large amounts of money and supplies from the pet food industry to support the school. If you are familiar with higher education you know that it very much about money. Until the large pet food companies like Hills and others start producing raw foods (don't hold your breath) you will find precious few vets recommending raw food.The vote is just making it official that they will discourage people from feeding raw. It is very sad because many raw foods are as close to the natural diet a dog or cat would eat in nature. You never see a wolf or feral dog robbing the garden of a farmer. It is always the meat supply they are after.

[concretegurl]

Brister thanks for your points. Cooler heads preveil I'm all %&#$@ instead of rationally explaining the irrationality.

You're awesome.

Same to Ann I'm so bewildered frusterated with this topic and the whole GMO thing latwly I'm useless to the debate as my passion (okay admittedly hot headedness) takes over.

I dont understand smart people not being illogical...blows my mind.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by tem_sat

I can't speak for kibble companies or commercial raw, but if one feeds whole fish, for example, one would indeed be feeding parts (head, guts, fins) which are not meant for human consumption (depending upon the species of fish). I do indeed feed duck and chicken heads from my farmer who supplies me with eggs and feet from his pastured chickens. Those I receive for free as they are not allowed to be sold. Both examples would clearly be considered by-products. As long the offal is of the best quality one can afford, there is certainly no reason not to feed it.

P.S. Yes, it took me a few days to get over chicken head shock. Now they don't freak me out.

Did you pull intestines for the first 8 months only with dogs over 6 months to remove feces bacterium until your dogs adjusted to raw with immunities?

Personally I feed foul breast legs and thighs or only kosher beef parts rarely cooked bacon is our downfall...for the most part we rely on Stella abd Chewy's as they bacteria and organic free range their freeze dried...plus the raw risk eith a toddler in our house is too great.

Im like odd about it the dogs eat in a section of the yard gated off to tje kids then I wipe them down wearing mylar gloves...I know I'm weird I use a UV-C wand on high chairs at restraunts...

[concretegurl]

Just to vlarify even raw feeders are aware a few breeda like yorkies handle protein poorly and it has to be balabced separately from general raw, model prey and BARF guidelines.


I do think corn is evil...should only be used to fuel cars.

[gracielove]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Just to vlarify even raw feeders are aware a few breeda like yorkies handle protein poorly and it has to be balabced separately from general raw, model prey and BARF guidelines.


I do think corn is evil...should only be used to fuel cars.

I have put my car on a corn fee diet as well as my dog.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

Just to vlarify even raw feeders are aware a few breeda like yorkies handle protein poorly and it has to be balabced separately from general raw, model prey and BARF guidelines.

I do think corn is evil...should only be used to fuel cars.

I always feel like the "yorkies don't handle protein well" is a myth/tale perpetuated by a misunderstanding of what causes LS and other issues...what do you think? Do you ever feel that way/know what I mean?

It's never been my experience that yorkies, as a breed, have trouble w/ protein, carbs, veg, fruit...or anything, to be honest - in terms of base ingredients. (and I have 3 yorks from 3 diff breeders) I mean sure, every dog (and person) may have individual little food sensitivities...but that's not what I'm getting at here.

A yorkie who has LS will have major protein issues, sure, but that's bc of the LS...not bc there is a core issue w/ yorkies and protein. In other words, while the yorkie breed is more prone (statistically) to LS, LP, CT, pancreatitis etc --it doesn't translate to the breed not 'tolerating' protein or fat well. It translates to: yorkies have genetic vulnerabilities toward certain diseases.

As a breed, I don't find them much different - overall - in their nutrition tolerances. Again, outside of any individual food sensitivities (ie, this or that dog sensitive to chicken for some unk reason).

I'm getting off topic...sorry...but this always fascinates me.

[BabyChance]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Sorry, I don't buy that. I homecook for my one pup and am planning to for my others...my vet is on board with that.
That conspiracy theory junk about vets supporting the pet food industry is imho just that...conspiracy theories.

I agree- our vet is well aware that we cook for Chance- we supplement with organic dry food, but the meal is mainly free range chicken breast cooked in broth...