Vet refuses to do Spay AND Extractions

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by SWHouston

HA, I can't believe I"m going to complain...
But, Banfield was SO convenient, in Petsmart, and next door
to Home Depot !!! ARRRR

BUT, given what I've herd here, I'm OUT OF THERE !

This (next) Vet will be the third I've gone to here, and I don't
want to return to the first.

Mardelin,
Ladyjane PM = done.
But I think you may have not understood...
An Intubation requires that a Tube be placed into
the Trachea/Airway. Therefore "expanding" it, which may
cause some prolapses (stretching), and that's what
scares me. It's done to mechanically respirate, not monitor.

Please excuse me if I have presumed with an excessive
explanation here. Some may not have known exactly.

Technically, a properly placed and properly sized endotracheal tube does not "expand" the trachea. It maintains an open airway. Using one that is large enough to "stretch" the trachea would likely result in scarring, damage to the vocal chords and bronchospasms during the intubation ( the risk increases with prolonged and/or repeated intubations). One that fits properly has a slight air leak, yet still maintains enough air pressure to properly ventilate.

[Florean]

My precious little Lacey was 10 months old and weighed less 2 1/2 lbs. and she was spayed, had 4 teeth extracted and a dew claw removed at the same time. She did wonderful plus we took her home late that evening. I wouldn't think about letting them put her to sleep two times for that. I have been to Banfield several times but only because a dear friend of mine who has been my vet for almost thirty years has the one where we live. But I still chose not to have mine spayed there. We kept waiting for her to get to 3 lbs. before surgery but she really needed those teeth taken out so we went ahead with it. Every one at the clinic is in love with her because she is so small and loves everyone so she got lots of TLC. I really enjoy reading all of the posts here. You all sound like a wonderful, loving group. BTW, insist on the pre-op bloodwork.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Technically, a properly placed and properly sized endotracheal tube does not "expand" the trachea. It maintains an open airway. Using one that is large enough to "stretch" the trachea would likely result in scarring, damage to the vocal chords and bronchospasms during the intubation ( the risk increases with prolonged and/or repeated intubations). One that fits properly has a slight air leak, yet still maintains enough air pressure to properly ventilate.

Thanks you said it better than I......

[SWHouston]

I again apologize for an excessive explanation...

But, I can't help but laugh a little...
From what I've read here, I wouldn't put it past Banfield
to use an "one size fits all" Trache Tube.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by SWHouston

HA, I can't believe I"m going to complain...
But, Banfield was SO convenient, in Petsmart, and next door
to Home Depot !!! ARRRR

BUT, given what I've herd here, I'm OUT OF THERE !

This (next) Vet will be the third I've gone to here, and I don't
want to return to the first.

Mardelin,
Ladyjane PM = done.
But I think you may have not understood...
An Intubation requires that a Tube be placed into
the Trachea/Airway. Therefore "expanding" it, which may
cause some prolapses (stretching), and that's what
scares me. It's done to mechanically respirate, not monitor.

Please excuse me if I have presumed with an excessive
explanation here. Some may not have known exactly.

Im sorry you have to change vets it stinks I know and they are so convenient I know but it will be for the best long term

[hnybun128]

Originally Posted by SWHouston

I again apologize for an excessive explanation...

But, I can't help but laugh a little...
From what I've read here, I wouldn't put it past Banfield
to use an "one size fits all" Trache Tube.

I'm sorry, that places scares the hell out of me. My vet did not even give me an option to do Mojo's neuter separately. She informed me that we had to wait until he was older to do his neuter because of the possibility of having to do an extraction. She then explained the risk involved in putting them under so of course we wouldn't want to have to do it numerous times unnecessarily.

Wow, it just blows my mind that any licensed vet would do otherwise. It just goes to show how some really are all about the money. I wonder if those vets are paid a commission per procedure?

[chachi]

Banfield vets may have a little of a legitimate concern that they have to keep a dog under longer to do a teeth extraction also but its done everyday and I think there is more risk putting them under twice

[SWHouston]

chachi,
Thanks for your empathy, but...
I love my little ones SO much (as we all do) I'd move
to Indianapolis it I had to, to make things right for them !

hnybun,
YES, that's exactly why I delayed her Spay, where dental issues
could be addressed as well.
But, I've also heard that waiting too long, can cause complications.
It would be SO nice, if there were some "concrete" rules to go by.
I just don't think that Breeds differ to the extent, where something
as basic as that, to have any "flexibility" in application.
(referring to specifically when a Spay/Neuter should occur)

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by hnybun128

I'm sorry, that places scares the hell out of me. My vet did not even give me an option to do Mojo's neuter separately. She informed me that we had to wait until he was older to do his neuter because of the possibility of having to do an extraction. She then explained the risk involved in putting them under so of course we wouldn't want to have to do it numerous times unnecessarily.

Wow, it just blows my mind that any licensed vet would do otherwise. It just goes to show how some really are all about the money. I wonder if those vets are paid a commission per procedure?

I agree.. I remember taking my Sammy in and the vet recommended we do as much as we could while he was under. The vet did not want to have to put him under again anytime soon.

Also.. just to build on other post. I got the blood work done so I would have informational base line for any future problems. This was at the advise of my yt friends. I think it is important.
I have read about this clinic.. I have not read or heard anything good... run swhuston!!!!!

I have also read a lot about the intubaltion.. I was really worried about the side effects. My vet did explan it was safe if the correct size was used. Then he said he doesn't intublate(well that is what my dh said so who knows what the vet did say..) . I did think it was just to facilitate ventilation.. well I shouldn't say just because it is important!!!

[cathys]

Sofia had to have the two surgeries done a month apart, but that was because she only weighed 2lbs 5oz. I waited tell she was 8 months old, but she just wasn't going to get any bigger. My vet and I felt it was safer for her. Normally they do try to do them at the same time, if the pre-op blood work is good.

[ritapatt]

I was concerned about Ziva having 7 teeth removed and not being able to eat after the spay- but actually you could not even tell where the double teeth slid out from , her gums went right over them and I think she was more comfortable without them. I would not delay the tooth removal any longer than necessary. Ziva's teeth are beautifully straight and I don't think they would have been if the baby teeth pushed the new ones crooked.

[SWHouston]

Lil Sis,

HA HA "run", maybe a hastened exit is more like it at my age !
And believe me, as of this post, that IS happening !
++++++++++++
I've already been in contact whit Ladyjane, and she's processing
some information to me soon.
++++++++++++

Just read back over the posts...
Warmth, concern and helpfulness abound, makes someone feel
pretty good about being a member here.
That don't happen a lot now a days...

Thank ALL of you for your support and help.

Have a good Day !
S.W.

[Ellie May]

The teeth are pulled after the spay/neuter if the stats are good. There is no reason to put a dog under twice for this unless there is a problem. The actual act of putting them under (when they first fall "asleep") isn't something I'd be doing more than once for no reason.

Intubation does cause irritation. Coughing is very normal and expected. I've read a few reports of tracheal damage that owners assume was from intubation. Haven't really seen confirmation of that. I mean, yes, damage can happen. It absolutely should not be collapsing the trachea. Not going to say it never happens. It isn't something I'd be too concerned about though. And I would hope all vets are intubating for these procedures!!!

A CBC and chemistry really should be done at a minimum. Anything else is pretty optional, but not a bad idea. I think a bile acids test would be good. there are different chemistries you can get (some include more than others). Depends on how cautious you want to be. Don't know what each one includes off the top of my head. Not a bad idea to look at clotting factors, but my guess is that would get into some $$$.

[capt_noonie]

Banfield sucks! They are like Kaiser to me. When you go into the exam room you see a vet STUDENT! and the student does all the checkups, and then the actual vet comes in to double check their work. Why am I paying a $40 office visit to be seen by a 20 yr old kid?

After that first time I took Uni there and almost $100 for one shot I never went back.

My current awesome vet did Uni's spay, tooth extraction, dental(no charge!), removed a small growth on her head, and clipped her nails (no charge!) in one session.

[SWHouston]

First of all, I just want to say how much I appreciate all of your concerned comments on this matter. I'm a little overwhelmed at the moment, not often one finds such a wonderful group of people, regardless of the venue of the website. I want to thank each and every one of you sincerely.

But, I think things are worse than has been told (about Banfield)....so far !

You all know by now, I'm DEFINITELY going to a new vet. LadyJane has provided me with a resource reasonably close by, and I'm going to give them a shot. (thank you again Dear Lady)

One of the things a new Vet is going to ask, is "what's been done so far" ?

Fortunately, I'm pretty good a keeping records, and have a Folder on each of my guys. SO, I started a file in Excel, inoculations and procedures in the left Column, and the dates done in the horizontal rows. (one for each dog)

Given my "limited" knowledge about Inoculations and the frequency which they are administered, I'm not going to just "blow up" over what I found, but, it seems like there has been several (about six different ones total) given to one of my animals (Male 1yo at the time), a little more than a month or so apart.

Now, I understand that Puppies require subsequent/successive inoculations but I didn't think that an Adult animal required this.

Just to make sure you know what I'm talking about, let me list them.
(understand that before now, I had NO reason to check up on this)
The following shots were given on...

3/10/2009 and 4/7/2009
DHLPPC

9/10/2009 and again on 11/03/2009
Leptospirosis 4-Way
Giardia
Lymes Disease
Corona Virus

11/3/2009 and 12/1/2009
Porphyromonas

Now, I've tried to do a search on IF the above repetitive inoculations are proper, BUT, wow, it's a very confusing issue, and I'm not sure if I'm even "spouting" about this with any foundation. But, I'll say this in my own behalf.

I KNOW that it's pretty obvious that these shots were given, I paid for them. But, I had NO reason to suspect any wrong doing (gouging), and I didn't think I needed or had any reason to check up on them.
So, I trusted Banfield to administer an appropriate Health Care Plan for me.

Right now, I'm feeling pretty foolish in letting this slip by me.....
But if there's anyone from Banfield lurking on this Thread, let me assure you...

I have documents and CCard receipts on EVERYTHING I've said !
And IF there are any problems that arise, because of any mismanagement
of my animals.... God help you !