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06-16-2010, 12:45 AM | #16 | |
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06-16-2010, 05:12 AM | #17 | |
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Dogs with allergies need to be on a limited ingredient diet and while i agree steroids will not stop a food allergy in most cases but this does need to ruled out. Even if not food allergy dog needs to be on limited ingredient diet as to not over tax system with potential allergents. I went to vets for 1 year prior to dermatologist - I went to holistic and I went to a regular vet before going to a dermatologist and there is a HUGE difference in how they approach an allergy dog. Vets throw the dog on steroids to mask the problem and dermatologist try to do it more naturally and use the least amount of drugs steroids being the very last drug of choice. I understand the cost aspect but sometimes a little more money upfront saves you a ton in the long run. I spent thousands before I got to the dermatologist and the vet gave wrong doseages of atopica etc it was a nightmare actually until i got to the dermatologist - the wrong doseage of atopica was when i said I am done with vets and going to dermatologist as that over dose of atopica would have made her sick. This was back when atopica was pretty new too and I had done my homework on it prior to asking about it as i learned about it from a lady at the pet store Last edited by dwerten; 06-16-2010 at 05:16 AM. | |
06-16-2010, 05:20 AM | #18 | |
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OP how old is your dog? Usually allergies present themselves from the age of 6mos (ironically after vaccinations like my dog ) until the age of 3 years also for environmental antihistamines like zyrtec are much safer than steroids and antihistamine trials should be done before trying steroids too which is what derm did as we did 3 3 week antihistamine trials to see if this would help and not have to use steroids. Usually antihistamines work best when combined with omega 3 Last edited by dwerten; 06-16-2010 at 05:23 AM. | |
06-16-2010, 06:24 AM | #19 |
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| Oops, forgot that you don't get snow there. When allergies progress, a derm may be needed. I think it's fine to manage allergies with a general vet. If we went to an internist or dermatologist or board certified dentist as much as it is recommended on YT, we would not be in an okay place financially. They are needed sometimes and it's fine if you have the money to constantly pour into that type of thing. But a general vet is good for something and they are capable of treating most allergies. About vets giving out steroids and covering the problem up...I don't know b/c that's not what Ellie's vet does. And if something has to be used long term and antihistamines aren't working, she is likely to grab the Atopica instead of steroids. However, in our case, the majority of Ellie's problem is food allergies. May some some environmental, but not a huge issue as far as we know. We try to keep her diet allergen free, but that doesn't always work b/c elimination diets aren't always successful with her (i.e. she'll get something off the floor in the middle of it and throw everything off or she is still somewhat itchy at the end...probably environmental). So we do the best we can. She got into something last weekend that she shouldn't have (food) and the only way to control her itching until for the next few weeks is steroids. So back on Temaril-P she goes. Not something we wanted to do b/c of her pancreas, but we don't have a choice. That said, elimination diets aren't always accurate while pup is on steroids. So they may have to be stopped first.
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06-16-2010, 06:45 AM | #20 |
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| That is the beauty of this group as some of us have paid to get that information by these specialists and can help others on what to do so they can save on cost Vet should have tried zyrtec first before steroids but most vets do not know about zyrtec working in dogs. Most vets just go straight to steroids just like her vet did. She can still get her dog on elimination diet while on steroids and do this for 12 weeks as even on steroids if food is working the itching will get better and the food elimination diet and antihistamines are the first thing a derm goes to. If those do not work then they keep them on the limited ingredient diet and your choice is then hyposensitization, atopica or steroids. Going back in time I should have done the hyposensitization but I went the drug route atopica and she is so bad had to do atopica and temarilp and after a year on atopica she was vomitting so we had to do just temarilp as one drug is better than two but hyposensitization is the safest as it is natural and being in california it is worth a shot as your dog may be in the 85% of dogs it works for. 90% of the time it is environmental but if you are in that 10% where limited food works you are also very lucky I recommend joining this group as it is all pet owners with allergy dogs as sadly allergies is a life long thing - no real cure - very frustrating and all you can do is try to keep your dog as comfortable as you can with least amount of drugs http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/ALLERDOG/ atopica is not cheap either can be $100 a month Last edited by dwerten; 06-16-2010 at 06:49 AM. |
06-16-2010, 06:54 AM | #21 |
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| But I want the OP to understand that steroids work extremely well for some dogs with food allergies even if not everyone agrees with that. So by doing an elim. diet at the same time as steroids, if she stops itching, you won't know which one helped. If she is on steroids for awhile and doesn't get much better and then you start the elim. diet and she does get better, then you know it was food. Would not be surprised if it is environmental though.
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06-16-2010, 10:46 PM | #24 |
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| Wow, you guys are so full of knowledge! Holly is 6 months old and these allergies started in the past month. Zyrtec is actually what I use, and its the only thing that works for me. How much of a teblet should I give her? I'll try to start her on Natural Balance right away, but the no treat thing is going to be hard. We give her a treat every time she goes potty on her pad as we are still potty training her, and she hasn't gotten the concept down 100% yet. Can I give her veggies as a treat or Natural Balance treats? |
06-17-2010, 04:28 AM | #25 | |
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Call vet and ask for doseage on zyrtec as that would be best 6 mos is when my girl started too and she will be 6 on july 3rd. It all happened after her puppy shots She was perfectly fine prior to that sadly. | |
06-17-2010, 05:38 AM | #26 | |
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Vegetables are more than likely not going to hurt, but it wouldn't be a true elimination diet if you gave them.
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06-17-2010, 11:45 AM | #27 |
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| OK, I'll put the kibble in her treat jar. I would hate to take that away, she knows the sound of her jar opening and gets very excited. Also, I started the meds a few days ago when I got them, but should I stop them? They make her feel really groggy, and she's regressing on her potty training. It's almost as if she can't hold it anymore and goes where ever she is standing. I don't know if it's the meds, but even before we were training her she had favorite spots to potty on, but now she goes in the most random places and not on her pad at all. Last edited by AGirlWithWheels; 06-17-2010 at 11:46 AM. |
06-17-2010, 04:57 PM | #28 | |
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Is it prednisone he gave you or temarilp as prednisone is stronger than temarilp | |
06-17-2010, 05:36 PM | #29 |
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| You guys are allergy experts!!! I was going to suggest possibly giving Benadryll. Is Zyrtec better? |
06-17-2010, 05:45 PM | #30 | |
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oh and temarilp should not make her groggy so did vet give you another med as well? | |
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