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Old 10-29-2009, 04:00 PM   #1
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Default Hartz regular shampoo - safe or not?

I have heard all kind of bad stories about Hartz brand products, but only after the fact that I bought this shampoo. I never used it yet so if it's horrible then I won't. I mostly only see people having problems with the Flea & Tick shampoo and products, but not just the regular shampoo.

This one says 3-in-1 Conditioning Shampoo. It conditions, cleans and detangles. Would this be ok or not as it is not Flea & Tick shampoo?

I am not sure what the ingredient in Hartz is that people are having poison problems with their dogs that even become fatal. Doesn't it start with a "P"? Is it Panthenol?

I'd really like some information. We spent a lot of money getting a good food and other items and thought the shampoo we could slack a little on since we kind of went over board LOL. I'm sure you all know how that is!!
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:13 PM   #2
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Everything Hartz produces is produced with cheap materials. I would return it and buy human hair products. Yorkies hair is not like other dogs and you have to think about it the same as yours.
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Well I honestly use the cheap stuff on my own hair like VO5 or Suave because it works just fine for me. When I was young and growing up these brands were the big shots but now they are the cheapo brands, and I always just stuck with it.

As far as using human hair products on my dog, I have read in various books and websites that this is not a good idea unless it's like a no tears baby shampoo. Is that true?
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I personally wouldn't use human hair products. I thought they are known to dry out and irritate the skin?

I use Buddy Wash on Jackson, got it @ Petco. It works great & smells good.
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I'm not sure if the hartz regular shampoo is safe or not.

If it were me I wouldn't take the chance. It seems many of their products cause bad side effects.
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I double checked all the ingredients and they seem normal to other shampoos, they advertise on the bottle that they use ''Panthenol" in this particular shampoo which is found in other shampoos. I googled this ingredient and it's derived from a natural plant and used as a detangler.

So far this particular one seems harmless, it's not for fleas or ticks or any kind of medicated, just for washing only.

I went ahead and tried this as the ingredients didn't show anything out of ordinary in comparison to other dog shampoo ingredients, she did 100% fine and I have been monitoring her skin just to be sure. Next time I will get another kind just to get out of this brand but so far it seems ok. I don't want to continue using Hartz if it is such a disasterous brand as something might come up that is bad and I'd never want to put my dog in danger.
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I double checked all the ingredients and they seem normal to other shampoos, they advertise on the bottle that they use ''Panthenol" in this particular shampoo which is found in other shampoos. I googled this ingredient and it's derived from a natural plant and used as a detangler.

So far this particular one seems harmless, it's not for fleas or ticks or any kind of medicated, just for washing only.

I went ahead and tried this as the ingredients didn't show anything out of ordinary in comparison to other dog shampoo ingredients, she did 100% fine and I have been monitoring her skin just to be sure. Next time I will get another kind just to get out of this brand but so far it seems ok. I don't want to continue using Hartz if it is such a disasterous brand as something might come up that is bad and I'd never want to put my dog in danger.
Hartz got a bad name because some of the flea shampoos weren't safe, but I think you're ok with this. I think they are overpriced, but I wouldn't use a human shampoo, human hair has a different pH and is much more acid than dog's hair. Yorkies are said to have hair not fur, but this just refers to the single coat, which is like humans, however their hair is much more alkaline, and you want to use a product that matches the skin/hair, you are shampooing. Joey's breeder recommended Biogroom, and if you email the company they will send you a free sample of several of their products. Remember, the samples are highly concentrated and you should add one part of product to 4 parts of water. Bio-Groom - Exceptional Pet Care Products for Over 30 Years
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Thank you very much, Nancy. I didn't seem to find Hartz to be over priced, they were cheaper than anything I saw at Target, PetsMart and Pet Supermarket. The only reason that I went with the shampoo, was because the ones at these other places didn't smell very nice. (by the way I emailed them at bioderm to request free samples!)

Most of the shampoos are coconut flavor, and I really don't like the smell. Also most of them seem to have specific purposes, like flea preventative or for super curly hair or something like that and this one was just a general detangler shampoo.

Is it normal for yorkies hair to be very thin? It seems on her back you can see her skin sometimes if her hair is tossled the right way, and also when I bathed her it was as if she had no hair at all but dry it looks mostly normal, just on the occasion it looks bald-ish?

It was like that before I shampood so I don't think this is a result from the shampoo or bath.
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Thank you very much, Nancy. I didn't seem to find Hartz to be over priced, they were cheaper than anything I saw at Target, PetsMart and Pet Supermarket. The only reason that I went with the shampoo, was because the ones at these other places didn't smell very nice.

Most of the shampoos are coconut flavor, and I really don't like the smell. Also most of them seem to have specific purposes, like flea preventative or for super curly hair or something like that and this one was just a general detangler shampoo.

Is it normal for yorkies hair to be very thin? It seems on her back you can see her skin sometimes if her hair is tossled the right way, and also when I bathed her it was as if she had no hair at all but dry it looks mostly normal, just on the occasion it looks bald-ish?

It was like that before I shampood so I don't think this is a result from the shampoo or bath.
Well, like I was saying before, yorkies don't have the double coat that most dogs have, and the undercoat is what makes other dogs hair seem thicker, but it's what sheds. I imagine there is a wider variety of thin verses thick hair among yorkies, and cotton coats in general, are thicker, but you do have matting with them, and the preferred coat is silky. Silky coats tend to be finer than cotton, but some fine silky coat are also fairly thick, so this varies greatly, as it does with humans. It hard to say, what's normal for her, did her hair use to be thicker or more abundant? Joey has fine silky hair, but he has abundant hair, and it doesn't look sparse or thin. How old is she?
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I don't know what her hair was like before, I only just adopted her on tuesday evening. She is 7 years old. She doesn't seem to have any skin allergy where she might lose the hair or itch it off. She doesn't itch or have red skin under the hair. It's just like really fine. It looks even weirder when it's wet, like you can see where it's thicker grown in some places and thin or non existent in others.

But like I said, when it's dry you don't totally notice unless either you're looking for it specifically, or her hair just happens to be tossled away from the areas. It just seems to be along her back on the top and right before her rump area starts.
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Is it going to hurt your pup? Probably not.
I guess my question is, since the company obviously doesn't care if a lot of illnesses and deaths are happening because of their product, why trust them? And why support their business. I would not use it.

Human shampoo has a different pH than dog shampoo. I would use something dog-specific.
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Is it going to hurt your pup? Probably not.
I guess my question is, since the company obviously doesn't care if a lot of illnesses and deaths are happening because of their product, why trust them? And why support their business. I would not use it.

Human shampoo has a different pH than dog shampoo. I would use something dog-specific.
I agree completely.

I think you'll like the biogroom when the samples come. It's one of the more affordable ones that I really like. Just make sure you're using a tearless kind on her head & face. BTW, Biogroom also has Silk Conditioner - great stuff.
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Oh, John Paul Pet has an Oatmeal shampoo that smells like amaretto cherry. We also use Pet Head. I know many people like Biogroom, but it's a matter of smell preference. I would not like the smell on Ellie at all.
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Believe it or not, regular Dawn dish washing detergent (one drop mixed with 3 cups of water) will do a good job. Followed by a coat condition (oatmeal based is good)
Dawn is safe to use on pets and wildlife. I use it all the time and have for 20 15 yrs. Remember it has to be VERY diluted, a little goes a very long way.

*** It's not a sexy little shampoo in a cute as a button bottle, but you can spend the extra $$ on the coat conditioner. My yorkies have always had great skin, shiny coats and are very very bunny rabbit soft. I do not use it on puppies under 8 months.

Just sharing ...one of my ways to save a few pennies, I bath my dog 1-2 times a week.
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Oh, John Paul Pet has an Oatmeal shampoo that smells like amaretto cherry. We also use Pet Head. I know many people like Biogroom, but it's a matter of smell preference. I would not like the smell on Ellie at all.
I'm not fond of the smell, either. I actually use Minksheen on mine (I know - a LOT of people hate the smell of this, too). But I did try the samples Biogroom sent me and they really did a good job. Murphy's hair needs just a little more moisturizing than he gets from Minksheen, and Biogroom's conditioner is just right for his hair.
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