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txrosegirl · 04-07-2009, 06:16 PM

you already sound like a great mommy. you are worried about this baby you do not even have in your home yet and already thinking of what is best for her.

however, no one here is going to tell you it is "okay" to bring her home at 5 weeks. i am sorry to be the messenger

it is critical this baby be with her mommy longer - her survival depends on it

i am not saying she will not survive if she comes home at 5 weeks but truthfully, it is going to be a lot of work and you will need to be her surrogate mommy for about 7 more weeks. maybe feeding every hour, checking on her nonstop, probably not sleeping much if at all, etc

i am sorry you are being put in such a hard position. it seems like a no-win situation and the breeder makes me MAD!

phfgkl · 04-07-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mommy2Ellie

Velobabe...Thank you for your understanding! You hit the nail on the head! I do feel like she is mine...I am just as torn with this as I was seeing my baby boy (born @ 28 weeks) laying in NICU!

At this point I just want someone to tell me that she may be ok if I bring her home! I would love to string this woman up by her toenails for what she is doing to all of these babies...NOT JUST MINE...but I also have the Mother in me kicking and screaming that she is mine and I have to take care of her!

It would be great if someone could tell me what I need to do to take care of her and what to look out for rather than just saying report the breeder! Reporting the breeder will do what? It won't save the puppies and a $500 would be nothing to someone that is selling puppies @ $1500! I have every intention of reporting the breeder but I feel like I have to try to save Ellie no matter the cost ($$, mentally, physically, or emotionally)

I am really not trying to make anyone angry and I do value all of your opinions, but I feel like I am gambling with Ellie's life if I don't try to take care of her!

All of us understand where your'e coming from. But, if you don't report her then how many more people is she going to do this too? I'm sure you can and will take care of the pup, but, what if someone buys one of her pups at 5 weeks and they can't take care of them, then what? We all know you're going to go ahead and get her, and it's not going to do any good to tell you not too, so, free feed that baby, keep either nutrical on hand or karo syrup. You want this baby, get it, but, then you need to get home and then call the humane society, someone has to stop this lady from doing this. I'm almost sure she's the same one that did this to someone else, as the post you made, as I said before, is almost identical to another one I read a few mos. back. This woman is wanting to make a quick buck.
How much does this little girl weigh? I did get my first one at one day shy of 7 weeks, she did fine, but, she was bigger at about 2 lbs and was eating really well. They do a lot of growing, etc though in 2 weeks.

Ladymom · 04-07-2009, 06:26 PM

I am going to give this woman the benefit of the doubt and assume this is an emergency and she is not aware that she will be breaking the law if she sells the puppies at five weeks old.

If you read my earlier post, Virginia law also requires that she provide you with a vet certificate when you take possession of the puppy. No vet is going to break the law and risk his license by signing a certificate saying the puppy is healthy and fit to go to its new home at five weeks old.

If you go ahead with this, it will be an illegal transaction under Virginia law and you will have no recourse if the puppy gets sick or dies no matter what your contract or agreement was.

I wouldn't get a puppy from this breeder, no how, no where, let alone pay $1500 for it!

kidmuzicdotcom · 04-07-2009, 06:31 PM

how about asking her if you can bring the momma and the babies to your house so you can watch them while she is gone .then the baby will have her momma to take care of them....if she is willing to leave them maybe she'll do that much ...just have her sign something that says you are not responsible if any of the babies don't make it.....I know you love ellie already..just a thought..

phfgkl · 04-07-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladymom

I am going to give this woman the benefit of the doubt and assume this is an emergency and she is not aware that she will be breaking the law if she sells the puppies at five weeks old.

If you read my earlier post, Virginia law also requires that she provide you with a vet certificate when you take possession of the puppy. No vet is going to break the law and risk his license by signing a certificate saying the puppy is healthy and fit to go to its new home at five weeks old.

If you go ahead with this, it will be an illegal transaction under Virginia law and you will have no recourse if the puppy gets sick or dies no matter what your contract or agreement was.

I wouldn't get a puppy from this breeder, no how, no where, let alone pay $1500 for it!

Don't you find it kind of odd though that I read almost this exact same thing a few mos back? I'm thinking that one was also out of VA.

phfgkl · 04-07-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kidmuzicdotcom

how about asking her if you can bring the momma and the babies to your house so you can watch them while she is gone .then the baby will have her momma to take care of them....if she is willing to leave them maybe she'll do that much ...just have her sign something that says you are not responsible if any of the babies don't make it.....I know you love ellie already..just a thought..

the thing no one is thinking about is okay, if she has a "family" emergency, who is going to take care of all the other dogs/puppies in the house, and also outside that are in a barn or whatever. This woman is lying, family emergency my butt, she's wanting the rest of her money is all

kidmuzicdotcom · 04-07-2009, 06:35 PM

I do find that interesting..it sounds to me that she just cares about the money but at this point if there is a way to save this litter and still report her and have her shut down would be the win win here...

Mommy2Ellie · 04-07-2009, 06:52 PM

I know that most of you will not agree with me bringing her home and that by doing this I am endangering the lives of many others, but at this point I feel that the best course of action for ME would be to bring her home and give her a fighting chance.

I do have every intention of reporting this breeder but I feel that I have to at least try to save Ellie! If she dies I will be so heartbroken, but I don't think I could live with myself if I didn't at least try! I would always wonder where she was and if she were ok!

Ladymom · 04-07-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mommy2Ellie

I know that most of you will not agree with me bringing her home and that by doing this I am endangering the lives of many others, but at this point I feel that the best course of action for ME would be to bring her home and give her a fighting chance.

I do have every intention of reporting this breeder but I feel that I have to at least try to save Ellie! If she dies I will be so heartbroken, but I don't think I could live with myself if I didn't at least try! I would always wonder where she was and if she were ok!

Did you read what I just posted? I doubt that this woman will be able to sell you this puppy at only five weeks old anyway because she won't be able to get a vet certificate as required by law.

You need to make her aware of the law before you go any further with planning or preparation.

phfgkl · 04-07-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladymom

Did you read what I just posted? I doubt that this woman will be able to sell you this puppy at only five weeks old anyway because she won't be able to get a vet certificate as required by law.

You need to make her aware of the law before you go any further with planning or preparation.

I don't ever remember getting a health certificate with mine here in SC, that was 6 years ago. You know this lady could try and forge one. To the op, if you get a health certificate, please call the vet on there and make sure he's the one that signed it.

Ladymom · 04-07-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by phfgkl

I don't ever remember getting a health certificate with mine here in SC, that was 6 years ago. You know this lady could try and forge one. To the op, if you get a health certificate, please call the vet on there and make sure he's the one that signed it.

Virginia law requires that a dealer provide written proof from a vet that the puppy was given age appropriate vaccinations before selling the puppy. A five week old puppy is too young to be vaccinated by anyone's standards, so the breeder would not be able to furnish the proof.

Read the thread about poor little Macy who is struggling to survive parvo. She had her full round of three shots, but they were given too early so she wasn't protected.

In one study of a cross section of different puppies the age at which they were able to respond to a vaccine and develop protection covered a wide period of time. At six weeks of age, 25% of the puppies could be immunized. At 9 weeks of age, 40% of the puppies were able to respond to the vaccine. The number increased to 60% by 16 weeks, and by 18 weeks of age, 95% of the puppies could be immunized.

Parvovirus: Serious Diarrhea in Puppies & Dogs

kalina82 · 04-07-2009, 07:32 PM

I"m sorry but i agree with ladymom here.

To the OP i know you had your heart set on getting this little puppy, but we beg you to reconsider. others here have already told you what can happen. we've just seen this happen so often here. parvo, distemper, worms, anemia, hypogylcemia, etc... these babies are just so small that they need their mothers for at least 8 weeks, preferably 12 weeks.

that being said. how much does the puppy weigh that you are getting? is it a bigger puppy or a tiny puppy? if the puppy weighs a few pounds already you have a better chance of keeping it alive. however if your puppy weighs the same as mine did at that age you have a very slim chance. at 5 weeks my puppy weighed maybe 1 pound soaking wet. when was the last time you've seen the puppy? is it a fat little puppy? does it look like a good eater? i just remember what mine looked like at that age and can't even imagine taking care of her without the mother. she fit in the palm of my hand.

kalina82 · 04-07-2009, 07:33 PM

oh another thing...

would you mind telling us all the name of the breeder so others can be aware of their situation?

Mommy2Ellie · 04-08-2009, 03:56 AM

~ELLIE UPDATE~
I have spoken with the vet this morning and I have an appointment scheduled for 9:30 Friday morning...I will be picking her up Thursday evening.

After speaking to the vet, I am feeling a little more at ease. He said that though this isn't very common and not the ideal situation, since she is weaned and eating on her own he thinks that she will be just fine. He also said that this was going to be very stressful for her but for me to keep a very close eye on her and that it sounded like I had done everything I could to prepare...Heating pad, NutriCal, Benebac gel, IV fluids, digital thermometer, etc. The only thing for me to do at this point is to purchase a digital scale so that I can keep an eye on her weight.

Thanks for all of the advice and I will keep you all posted!

luvfla · 04-08-2009, 04:31 AM

If the 'breeder' is hell bent on getting rid of these puppies...she will. Yep, it's wrong wrong wrong BUT Ellie's Mom is going to report her...that's the best she can do.

As for Ellie, what better place for her to be than with someone on this board? There are so many bright informed people here who will help in a heart beat...I think BYB's suck BUT she, at least, has a fighting chance with the YT team behind her!

04-07-2009, 06:16 PM	#31
txrosegirl owned by my monkeys Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: far north dallas, texas Posts: 1,866	you already sound like a great mommy. you are worried about this baby you do not even have in your home yet and already thinking of what is best for her. however, no one here is going to tell you it is "okay" to bring her home at 5 weeks. i am sorry to be the messenger it is critical this baby be with her mommy longer - her survival depends on it i am not saying she will not survive if she comes home at 5 weeks but truthfully, it is going to be a lot of work and you will need to be her surrogate mommy for about 7 more weeks. maybe feeding every hour, checking on her nonstop, probably not sleeping much if at all, etc i am sorry you are being put in such a hard position. it seems like a no-win situation and the breeder makes me MAD! __________________ lyn ~ miss buffey, sir bentley and baby bree ~ RIP sweet gino - mommy will always love you please click to give FREE food - the animal rescue site

04-07-2009, 06:26 PM	#33
Ladymom Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 8,317	I am going to give this woman the benefit of the doubt and assume this is an emergency and she is not aware that she will be breaking the law if she sells the puppies at five weeks old. If you read my earlier post, Virginia law also requires that she provide you with a vet certificate when you take possession of the puppy. No vet is going to break the law and risk his license by signing a certificate saying the puppy is healthy and fit to go to its new home at five weeks old. If you go ahead with this, it will be an illegal transaction under Virginia law and you will have no recourse if the puppy gets sick or dies no matter what your contract or agreement was. I wouldn't get a puppy from this breeder, no how, no where, let alone pay $1500 for it! __________________ http://www.myladysdogbows.com/ http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref...6213341?ref=nf

04-07-2009, 06:31 PM	#34
kidmuzicdotcom Shelby Rae's Mom Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cypress Posts: 815	how about asking her if you can bring the momma and the babies to your house so you can watch them while she is gone .then the baby will have her momma to take care of them....if she is willing to leave them maybe she'll do that much ...just have her sign something that says you are not responsible if any of the babies don't make it.....I know you love ellie already..just a thought.. __________________ Shelby Rae's Mom and Kaylee's Nana[SIZE=2][COLOR=Red]

04-07-2009, 06:35 PM	#37
kidmuzicdotcom Shelby Rae's Mom Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cypress Posts: 815	I do find that interesting..it sounds to me that she just cares about the money but at this point if there is a way to save this litter and still report her and have her shut down would be the win win here... __________________ Shelby Rae's Mom and Kaylee's Nana[SIZE=2][COLOR=Red]

04-07-2009, 07:32 PM	#42
kalina82 Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: with my yorkie baby Posts: 10,141 Blog Entries: 1	I"m sorry but i agree with ladymom here. To the OP i know you had your heart set on getting this little puppy, but we beg you to reconsider. others here have already told you what can happen. we've just seen this happen so often here. parvo, distemper, worms, anemia, hypogylcemia, etc... these babies are just so small that they need their mothers for at least 8 weeks, preferably 12 weeks. that being said. how much does the puppy weigh that you are getting? is it a bigger puppy or a tiny puppy? if the puppy weighs a few pounds already you have a better chance of keeping it alive. however if your puppy weighs the same as mine did at that age you have a very slim chance. at 5 weeks my puppy weighed maybe 1 pound soaking wet. when was the last time you've seen the puppy? is it a fat little puppy? does it look like a good eater? i just remember what mine looked like at that age and can't even imagine taking care of her without the mother. she fit in the palm of my hand. __________________ Kellie and Morgan

04-07-2009, 06:52 PM	#38
Mommy2Ellie Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chester, VA, USA Posts: 67 Blog Entries: 8	I know that most of you will not agree with me bringing her home and that by doing this I am endangering the lives of many others, but at this point I feel that the best course of action for ME would be to bring her home and give her a fighting chance. I do have every intention of reporting this breeder but I feel that I have to at least try to save Ellie! If she dies I will be so heartbroken, but I don't think I could live with myself if I didn't at least try! I would always wonder where she was and if she were ok!

04-07-2009, 07:33 PM	#43
kalina82 Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: with my yorkie baby Posts: 10,141 Blog Entries: 1	oh another thing... would you mind telling us all the name of the breeder so others can be aware of their situation? __________________ Kellie and Morgan

04-08-2009, 03:56 AM	#44
Mommy2Ellie Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chester, VA, USA Posts: 67 Blog Entries: 8	~ELLIE UPDATE~ I have spoken with the vet this morning and I have an appointment scheduled for 9:30 Friday morning...I will be picking her up Thursday evening. After speaking to the vet, I am feeling a little more at ease. He said that though this isn't very common and not the ideal situation, since she is weaned and eating on her own he thinks that she will be just fine. He also said that this was going to be very stressful for her but for me to keep a very close eye on her and that it sounded like I had done everything I could to prepare...Heating pad, NutriCal, Benebac gel, IV fluids, digital thermometer, etc. The only thing for me to do at this point is to purchase a digital scale so that I can keep an eye on her weight. Thanks for all of the advice and I will keep you all posted!

04-08-2009, 04:31 AM	#45
luvfla YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Satellite Beach, FL Posts: 3,691	If the 'breeder' is hell bent on getting rid of these puppies...she will. Yep, it's wrong wrong wrong BUT Ellie's Mom is going to report her...that's the best she can do. As for Ellie, what better place for her to be than with someone on this board? There are so many bright informed people here who will help in a heart beat...I think BYB's suck BUT she, at least, has a fighting chance with the YT team behind her!