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ThePetKitchen · 02-04-2009, 05:03 PM

A very good review guide for dog food is Dog Food Analysis - Reviews of kibble they rate their foods by stars - 1 star being the worst and 6 stars being the best. And write reviews on the food, letting people know the good parts and the bad parts.

I would also recommend anyone who owns a dog to subscribe to The Whole Dog Journal www.http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/ . This little journal has tons of information about health and training. I have learned so much from being a subscriber.

On Dog Food Analysis - they rated Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier a 2 star food.

Here is their review:

The first ingredient in the food is a named meat product. It is the sole significant meat product in the food, and our confidence that this product contains a decent amount of meat is low. There is a further meat product 5th on the ingredient list, but this is not only a minor ingredient but is inclusive of water content (about 80%). Once that is removed, as it must be to create a dehydrated product, the ingredient will weigh around 20% of its wet weight. Ingredients are listed in order of weight, and the dehydrated ingredient would probably be more accurately placed much further down the ingredient list. It is highly unlikely that this ingredient makes any significant contribution to the overall meat content of the food. A further meat ingredient, in meal form,is 17th. This is far too far down the ingredient list to make any contribution to the overall meat content of the food. But we note its presence as it is a fish meal ingredient, but We find no guarantee on the manufacturers website that protein sources are ethoxyquin-free (ethoxyquin is a chemical preservative commonly added to fish destined for meal, and is believed to be carcinogenic).

The main grains in the food are rice and corn. Brown rice is decent quality, but the major ingredient here is brewers rice which is a low grade ingredient and byproduct. Corn is the next grain and is a difficult to digest grain that is commonly associated with allergy problems. Corn Gluten Meal is the dried residue from corn after the removal of the larger part of the starch and germ, and the separation of the bran by the process employed in the wet milling manufacture of corn starch or syrup, or by enzymatic treatment of the endosperm. In plain English, that bit of the corn leftover after most of the nutritious bits have been removed.

Chicken fat is the fourth ingredient. We note that research at Purdue university has identified fat in the top four ingredients of dry food as a factor increasing the risk of bloat in large breed dogs. Smaller breeds are untested. Cellulose is “purified, mechanically disintegrated cellulose prepared by processing alpha cellulose obtained as a pulp from fibrous plant materials”: otherwise known as sawdust.

Beet pulp is controversial filler which appears to be used in large quantities in this food. It is a by-product, being dried residue from sugar beets which has been cleaned and extracted in the process of manufacturing sugar. It is a controversial ingredient in dog food, claimed by some manufacturers to be a good source of fibre, and derided by others as an ingredient added to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats and causing stress to kidney and liver in the process. We note that beet pulp is an ingredient that commonly causes problems for dogs, including allergies and ear infections, and prefer not to see it used in dog food. There are less controversial products around if additional fibre is required.

luvyorkiebabes · 02-04-2009, 05:14 PM

I have fed RC for several years now. My yorkies are doing great on this food and they love it. I don't have any weight problems and I do not have to worry about hypoglocemic puppies. My puppies have all been very healthy.

LibbieLu08 · 02-04-2009, 05:26 PM

Thank all of you so much for all your response. I'm thinking about keeping her on it since the breeder has her on it already. . . why change it right? I guess once I get her I'll make my final decision. If shes doing eating it and doing great on it, then I'll stick with it until I feel that I want to change. If its causing her no harm why change it. And I guess this whole corn theory of being so bad for your dog, really isn't all that bad. Its like Nancy had said, its like peanut to humans. There is some people thats allergic to it and there is those who aren't.

Who else has tried it? And for how long. . . . ?

maxmom · 02-04-2009, 06:05 PM

That's what Max eats, after reading the food analysis, I decided to switch to something better, I tried several foods, and he just would not eat them, all the bags were donated to our local shelter and we went back to RC. I'm concerned now, somebody mentioned problems with gallbladder stones after long time feeding RC, so I'm on search of something new.

ChantalB · 02-04-2009, 06:18 PM

I have been feeding my yorkies Royal Canin for 5 years. Adults, expecting female and puppies and they are all healthy and love their food.

Not it is not the best dog food out there, but it is still a very acceptable one.

I Also like to add some Multivitamin supplement (Nupro is a great one) to their food once or twice a week.

ThePetKitchen · 02-04-2009, 06:27 PM

Not all dogs will do well on the same foods. Each dog is an individual and what works for one dog may not work for another.

I also wouldn't limit your dog to just one type of food for their whole life. Variety is always better than feeding any single food. Feeding different diets can help fill in nutritional gaps that a particular food or brand might have, as well as it making it less likely for your dog to develop food allergies.

morgan111 · 02-04-2009, 06:29 PM

i feed mine royal canin and have for a very long time ,i start all my babys on puppy 33 and then when they are about 8 months old we put them on royal canin yorkshire beauty care .they dont have any health issues and and have the most softest coat ,the only other things i feed are fresh vegs and fruit .good luck in what ever you decide

LibbieLu08 · 02-27-2009, 02:21 PM

Thanks everybody sooo much for you help. I think I'm going to stick with her royal canin 33 for puppies and when shes older I will switch her over the royal canin yorkies. . . . a lot of people seem to like it and not have a problem.

Wylie's Mom · 02-27-2009, 02:41 PM

The most common food allergies for dogs are: milk, eggs, soy, corn, wheat, chicken and beef.

I think there are far better foods than RC, but you could do worse too. Personally, I like to avoid grains that are more common allergens to dogs. I now feed raw, and before that fed homecooked, and before that fed a grain-free kibble.

MaddiesMommie · 02-28-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LibbieLu08

Thanks everybody sooo much for you help. I think I'm going to stick with her royal canin 33 for puppies and when shes older I will switch her over the royal canin yorkies. . . . a lot of people seem to like it and not have a problem.

I have tried "top rated" foods according to these "lists" we see. However, she LOVES RC for Yorkies. I have never had her to eat as well as she does. ALthough, there may be far better foods, she is doing great on it and I do not want to make her fussy switching foods...again

Nancy has given some great advice. Corn based products are only bad if your dog is allergic to them. I would hate to be denied peanuts just because some people are allergic to them.

Good LucK...Cute baby!

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Tiggerwit · 02-28-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Nancy1999

There's a review of Blue Buffalo going on right now, and unfortunately two of the replies have been that their dogs wouldn't eat parts of it. That's another thing with some of the foods that are said to be healthier, if your dog leaves the healthy part in the bowl, are they getting all the nutrition out of it? I know you have to be fairly strict, but at some point I felt like I was starving him to death to get him to eat certain foods.

That would be Alphy, he spits out the little dark pieces.... he'll turn and look at you then pootey out comes this food. Drives me nuts... LOL

_Chrissy_ · 02-28-2009, 04:21 PM

I think the best food for your dog is one he eats and enjoys eatting.
Max goes back and forth between EVO Turley and Chicken Small Bites and Wellness Super5Mix Small Breed. He likes them both. I worry about the EVO being to high in protein and his stool being more frequent and softer on the Wellness. It never ends. To much information gathered is the problem. it makes me worry to much.
Many people have had their animals live fine lives on Pedigree or Purina.
Max did not like the Natural Balance that many people here say their dogs love.
Just like people, dogs have differing tastes.
If you try to get to much information on dog foods it will drive you crazy.

Nancy1999 · 02-28-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiggerwit

That would be Alphy, he spits out the little dark pieces.... he'll turn and look at you then pootey out comes this food. Drives me nuts... LOL

I decided to give Blue Wilderness a try because it's rated so much higher, a 6 instead of a 2.

It's rated higher than Royal Canin because it doesn't use corn, and has minimal grain, and it has a higher overall protein content. . I also tried it because Joey seems to have a problem maintaining his weight, Joey's vet would like him to be around 5 ½ pounds, and Joey weight keeps sneaking up, and I thought perhaps the corn in RC had something to do with this. He likes the Blue Wilderness, and will eat it, and even the black pieces, but I hand feed him those, because we do use his food in training. I haven't completely switched, we are half and half now. I was in no hurry. About 2 days after I started giving it to him, he had some eye tearing, each day he has brown goop in his eyes, now I don't know if this is food related, but I'm tempted to back off and see if the tearing goes away. He's 2 ½ and hasn't had any eye tearing since he was a puppy, and it was never this brown goopy kind. I've heard other people say that their dogs had eye buggers and I guess this is what you would call these, but Joey's never had them on the RC.

txrosegirl · 02-28-2009, 07:14 PM

i have my youngest on RC and she does great...i know it is not the "best" food out there but it is for her...i had her on a much higher rated food that had a very high protein content and she did horrible on it...very large smelly poohs and she was not gaining the weight i wanted her to gain...obviously she did not digest it well...i moved her back to RC and she is doing great

i also agree with _chrissy_ that the best food is the one your furkid will eat...my youngest would just pick at the high protein food (she would eventually eat it all but it would take her hours) and she gobbles the RC up because she loves it...oooh and the vet says she is VERY healthy

mk97 · 03-07-2009, 09:06 PM

I just switched my kids to this today--I still have my older, mixed breed dogs on nature's best science diet. I decided to try the yorkie formula to see if I notice the younger one scratching less, I see no fleas on her-so I wanted to try a diet change. They gobbled it all up like I had just put treats in their bowls!!!!

02-04-2009, 05:26 PM	#18
LibbieLu08 YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Milwaukee,WI Posts: 331	Thank all of you so much for all your response. I'm thinking about keeping her on it since the breeder has her on it already. . . why change it right? I guess once I get her I'll make my final decision. If shes doing eating it and doing great on it, then I'll stick with it until I feel that I want to change. If its causing her no harm why change it. And I guess this whole corn theory of being so bad for your dog, really isn't all that bad. Its like Nancy had said, its like peanut to humans. There is some people thats allergic to it and there is those who aren't. Who else has tried it? And for how long. . . . ? __________________ LibbieLu

02-04-2009, 06:05 PM	#19
maxmom Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Florida Posts: 2,307 Blog Entries: 1	That's what Max eats, after reading the food analysis, I decided to switch to something better, I tried several foods, and he just would not eat them, all the bags were donated to our local shelter and we went back to RC. I'm concerned now, somebody mentioned problems with gallbladder stones after long time feeding RC, so I'm on search of something new. __________________ maxmom My belongs to Max and Sophie Mei

02-04-2009, 06:29 PM	#22
morgan111 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: parksville Posts: 201	i feed mine royal canin and have for a very long time ,i start all my babys on puppy 33 and then when they are about 8 months old we put them on royal canin yorkshire beauty care .they dont have any health issues and and have the most softest coat ,the only other things i feed are fresh vegs and fruit .good luck in what ever you decide __________________

02-27-2009, 02:21 PM	#23
LibbieLu08 YT Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Milwaukee,WI Posts: 331	Thanks everybody sooo much for you help. I think I'm going to stick with her royal canin 33 for puppies and when shes older I will switch her over the royal canin yorkies. . . . a lot of people seem to like it and not have a problem. __________________ LibbieLu

02-27-2009, 02:41 PM	#24
Wylie's Mom Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 35,889 Blog Entries: 2	The most common food allergies for dogs are: milk, eggs, soy, corn, wheat, chicken and beef. I think there are far better foods than RC, but you could do worse too. Personally, I like to avoid grains that are more common allergens to dogs. I now feed raw, and before that fed homecooked, and before that fed a grain-free kibble. __________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann \| Pfeiffer \| Marcel Verdel Purcell \| Wylie \| Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨°

02-04-2009, 05:03 PM	#16
ThePetKitchen Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 39	A very good review guide for dog food is Dog Food Analysis - Reviews of kibble they rate their foods by stars - 1 star being the worst and 6 stars being the best. And write reviews on the food, letting people know the good parts and the bad parts. I would also recommend anyone who owns a dog to subscribe to The Whole Dog Journal www.http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/ . This little journal has tons of information about health and training. I have learned so much from being a subscriber. On Dog Food Analysis - they rated Royal Canin Yorkshire Terrier a 2 star food. Here is their review: The first ingredient in the food is a named meat product. It is the sole significant meat product in the food, and our confidence that this product contains a decent amount of meat is low. There is a further meat product 5th on the ingredient list, but this is not only a minor ingredient but is inclusive of water content (about 80%). Once that is removed, as it must be to create a dehydrated product, the ingredient will weigh around 20% of its wet weight. Ingredients are listed in order of weight, and the dehydrated ingredient would probably be more accurately placed much further down the ingredient list. It is highly unlikely that this ingredient makes any significant contribution to the overall meat content of the food. A further meat ingredient, in meal form,is 17th. This is far too far down the ingredient list to make any contribution to the overall meat content of the food. But we note its presence as it is a fish meal ingredient, but We find no guarantee on the manufacturers website that protein sources are ethoxyquin-free (ethoxyquin is a chemical preservative commonly added to fish destined for meal, and is believed to be carcinogenic). The main grains in the food are rice and corn. Brown rice is decent quality, but the major ingredient here is brewers rice which is a low grade ingredient and byproduct. Corn is the next grain and is a difficult to digest grain that is commonly associated with allergy problems. Corn Gluten Meal is the dried residue from corn after the removal of the larger part of the starch and germ, and the separation of the bran by the process employed in the wet milling manufacture of corn starch or syrup, or by enzymatic treatment of the endosperm. In plain English, that bit of the corn leftover after most of the nutritious bits have been removed. Chicken fat is the fourth ingredient. We note that research at Purdue university has identified fat in the top four ingredients of dry food as a factor increasing the risk of bloat in large breed dogs. Smaller breeds are untested. Cellulose is “purified, mechanically disintegrated cellulose prepared by processing alpha cellulose obtained as a pulp from fibrous plant materials”: otherwise known as sawdust. Beet pulp is controversial filler which appears to be used in large quantities in this food. It is a by-product, being dried residue from sugar beets which has been cleaned and extracted in the process of manufacturing sugar. It is a controversial ingredient in dog food, claimed by some manufacturers to be a good source of fibre, and derided by others as an ingredient added to slow down the transition of rancid animal fats and causing stress to kidney and liver in the process. We note that beet pulp is an ingredient that commonly causes problems for dogs, including allergies and ear infections, and prefer not to see it used in dog food. There are less controversial products around if additional fibre is required.

02-04-2009, 05:14 PM	#17
luvyorkiebabes Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: South Dakota Posts: 60	I have fed RC for several years now. My yorkies are doing great on this food and they love it. I don't have any weight problems and I do not have to worry about hypoglocemic puppies. My puppies have all been very healthy.

02-04-2009, 06:18 PM	#20
ChantalB Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,042	I have been feeding my yorkies Royal Canin for 5 years. Adults, expecting female and puppies and they are all healthy and love their food. Not it is not the best dog food out there, but it is still a very acceptable one. I Also like to add some Multivitamin supplement (Nupro is a great one) to their food once or twice a week.

02-04-2009, 06:27 PM	#21
ThePetKitchen Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 39	Not all dogs will do well on the same foods. Each dog is an individual and what works for one dog may not work for another. I also wouldn't limit your dog to just one type of food for their whole life. Variety is always better than feeding any single food. Feeding different diets can help fill in nutritional gaps that a particular food or brand might have, as well as it making it less likely for your dog to develop food allergies.

02-28-2009, 04:21 PM	#27
_Chrissy_ Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,561	I think the best food for your dog is one he eats and enjoys eatting. Max goes back and forth between EVO Turley and Chicken Small Bites and Wellness Super5Mix Small Breed. He likes them both. I worry about the EVO being to high in protein and his stool being more frequent and softer on the Wellness. It never ends. To much information gathered is the problem. it makes me worry to much. Many people have had their animals live fine lives on Pedigree or Purina. Max did not like the Natural Balance that many people here say their dogs love. Just like people, dogs have differing tastes. If you try to get to much information on dog foods it will drive you crazy. __________________ Max (the Morkie) & Mickey (the Yorkie)

02-28-2009, 07:14 PM	#29
txrosegirl owned by my monkeys Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: far north dallas, texas Posts: 1,866	i have my youngest on RC and she does great...i know it is not the "best" food out there but it is for her...i had her on a much higher rated food that had a very high protein content and she did horrible on it...very large smelly poohs and she was not gaining the weight i wanted her to gain...obviously she did not digest it well...i moved her back to RC and she is doing great i also agree with _chrissy_ that the best food is the one your furkid will eat...my youngest would just pick at the high protein food (she would eventually eat it all but it would take her hours) and she gobbles the RC up because she loves it...oooh and the vet says she is VERY healthy __________________ lyn ~ miss buffey, sir bentley and baby bree ~ RIP sweet gino - mommy will always love you please click to give FREE food - the animal rescue site

03-07-2009, 09:06 PM	#30
mk97 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Herndon, PA originally--Jacksonville, FL currently Posts: 169	I just switched my kids to this today--I still have my older, mixed breed dogs on nature's best science diet. I decided to try the yorkie formula to see if I notice the younger one scratching less, I see no fleas on her-so I wanted to try a diet change. They gobbled it all up like I had just put treats in their bowls!!!!