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08-27-2008, 10:10 AM | #16 |
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| Does your maltese have liver problems? I'm just curious since the first ingredient is chicken. I would love it if she could eat this food and it not affect her. |
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08-27-2008, 11:34 AM | #17 | |
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And there is a formula (I don't know it) - but dry food MUST be changed into a wet food content formula to get the 'actual' protein content. So something that is 16% protein on a dry matter - is WAY high in a wet matter - and that's the % you have to look at. I am sure this makes no sense, sorry...but hopefully someone else can say it better | |
08-27-2008, 11:48 AM | #18 |
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| Wet foods have to be converted to a dry matter basis to get the actual protein and fat content. Mathematically you are taking out the moisture to get a more accurate reading. All of do is read the guaranteed analysis on the can and divide the protein by the reciprocal of the moisture. So if the moisture is 70, the reciprocal is 30. If the moisture is 75, the reciprocal is 25. So if a can of food says it contains 10% protein and 80% moisture, you find the reciprocal of the moisture (20 in this case) and divide protein (10) by reciprocal of moisture (20). So the protein content would be 50%. Make sense?
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08-27-2008, 11:51 AM | #19 | |
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08-27-2008, 12:02 PM | #20 | |
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08-27-2008, 12:04 PM | #21 |
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| Just wondering ... wouldn't it be better to find out if indeed your baby has a compromised liver, rather than medicate if she is OK. My fear is that sometimes, meds take care of one thing but another side effect comes up. Perhaps with a change in diet, Innova, Wellness, with low protein she may do OK and not need the meds? I'm hopeful.
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08-27-2008, 12:09 PM | #22 |
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| Mine is on Hill's L/D canned (for now) She's done extremely well on it. She finally gained some weight and went from an even two pounds to three pounds, ten ounces, in less than three weeks. As others have said, the type of protein is a concern as well as the protein level. Regardless, a food with 20+% protein of any type is too much for a liver-compromised dog, if that's really what's going on. Was the 48 on the BAT pre or post-prandial? If it was post, it was high, but not horrible. Results can vary a bit by the lab where the analysis is done, but the rule of thumb is that <10 pre and <20 post is "normal." Just as a basis for comparison, one of mine was 279 pre and 370 post. No question about that being high. I'd get a second or third opinion if I were you. I was telling my vet just the other day how great it would be if we could claim vet bills for medical expenses on our taxes like we can with human's medical expenses. Mine are going to come to around $7,000 this year, and that's only if nothing else goes wrong |
08-27-2008, 12:18 PM | #23 | |
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08-27-2008, 12:28 PM | #24 |
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| TLC, yes wet has to be changed to dry matter. There is also a small amount of moisture in dry food and you can use the same equation to calculate it out but since there isn't much in it, it usually isn't necessary. Zanders' Mom, the drugs used for liver compromised dogs are often just supplements and don't really have many side effects. Going with very low protein when it isn't indicated could be dangerous though. Hannah3183, is the vet against a Protein C test?
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08-27-2008, 12:32 PM | #25 | |
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08-27-2008, 12:33 PM | #26 |
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| Excellent point. I should have mentioned that. Dogs need a high-protein diet, if they're in good health. You should be very sure there's a valid reason to go with low protein before you do it. Otherwise, you may just be compounding or introducing problems. |
08-27-2008, 12:37 PM | #27 |
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| All we know are that two BATs have come back high. All CBCs and urinalysis have come back ok. What do you think? Would you proceed with more testing or go low protein/supplements? |
08-27-2008, 12:41 PM | #28 |
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| I'd hesitate to do either without more testing. |
08-27-2008, 12:45 PM | #29 | |
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A Protein C test is a blood test sent to Cornell. Some people like it and others don't. Dr. Center who developed the bile acid test would probably say a Protein C test then a Scintography if indicated.
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08-27-2008, 12:59 PM | #30 |
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| No neurologic symptoms, and I don't believe that she's had an ammonia test. |
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