The Benefits Of A Prey Model Diet

[xxmxaxrxyxx]

sorry maybe i wasn't being clear...i wasn't referring to grinding up my own stuff...i was think about just going to the grocery store and buying raw meat and feeding it to them...i mean how do you know how much to give them of each...like bones, orgrans, and raw meet...i know that NV and others are pre-process and probably would get a bit pricey over time...so i guess my question is can't you create your own serving for raw for them..and if so how much is enough? thanks

[dabrat76]

I posted this on the group "wall" but no answer...

Quick question for those of you who've had pups on raw... I've got a kibble fed pup flying to me on Saturday, 19 weeks old, should I do/feed anything different than I'm feeding now? He's about 3.5-4lbs now, should be 5.5 (as per the chart) when he's an adult. SoCo's about 9.5-11lbs now, so I'm guessing feed a bit less.

Tara

[AngelWorks]

The boys had their first meal last night as I told in a previous post.

One thing to note---- Milo is usually manic from 5PM till about 9PM, w/ waiting for dad to come home.

After he ate he went potty and then curled up and napped for 1 1/2.

While we had dinner, instead of getting up into mischief as usual, he got up in the window next to the table and curled up.


Zack is usually manic all morning. This AM he was calm and relaxed and I didn't feed them till 10:30 AM.


Another first for Milo. He usually lets the cats muscle him away from his food.

Not today. When Ozzie came to sniff the chix leg-------Milo uttered his first ever warning growl.

Ozzie is still trying to get over it.

[RawfedYorkieLuv]

Dear xxmxaxrxyxx,
YES!!! to your question. This thread is dedicated to PREY MODEL FEEDING, going out to the store and just buying meat for dog(s) is what this thread is all about. Please take the time to read the entire thread as most of your questions have most likeley been adressed somewhere in here. I highly recommend the following website to you. This one and other important links can also be found on previous responses.
Jane Anderson's Raw Learning Site

Originally Posted by xxmxaxrxyxx

sorry maybe i wasn't being clear...i wasn't referring to grinding up my own stuff...i was think about just going to the grocery store and buying raw meat and feeding it to them...i mean how do you know how much to give them of each...like bones, orgrans, and raw meet...i know that NV and others are pre-process and probably would get a bit pricey over time...so i guess my question is can't you create your own serving for raw for them..and if so how much is enough? thanks

[RawfedYorkieLuv]

Sorry, first time logging in today.....
I'm not sure I understand your question! What ARE you feeding now? Do you want to switch your new puppy to raw? If so, you can do so as soon as new baby arrives to your home. Prey Model feeding breeders will start their puppies on raw as soon as they've been weaned, the sooner the dog gets to eat this way, the better actually. Looks like your new puppy is about half of the weight of your other dog, then feeding the puppy about half of what the other dog is getting should be about right. Again, let you dog be the guide. You want to weigh your dogs (puppies) in the beginning every other day so you can be sure that they're getting enough food. But even a puppy should not be fat OR too skinny. You want to be able to feel a dog's ribcage, not see it.
Nadia

Originally Posted by dabrat76

I posted this on the group "wall" but no answer...

Quick question for those of you who've had pups on raw... I've got a kibble fed pup flying to me on Saturday, 19 weeks old, should I do/feed anything different than I'm feeding now? He's about 3.5-4lbs now, should be 5.5 (as per the chart) when he's an adult. SoCo's about 9.5-11lbs now, so I'm guessing feed a bit less.

Tara

[RawfedYorkieLuv]

Hi AngelWorks,
I'm glad to hear that your babes seem to be doing so great!
I doesn't surprise me to hear about the changes in your dogs. Behavior is the very first thing that will change, health second. K*bble is high on carbs that turn into sugar. Kind of like a McDonald's fed child, rampaging around the house. Dogs new to Prey Model essentially get the kind of work out they never had. Comparable to a human, going to the gym for the first time. Your dogs were tired from the work out, lol
As far as *growling* at the cat; also very normal and I bet you chuckled! I feed all of my dog together in their Xpen as a pack. My senior used to be food aggressive, towards ME even! He's totally mellowed out now.
You will also start to notice the detoxing stage pretty soon. Don't be alarmed as all of those things are normal and anticipated! We are looking to transform our dogs back to a natural state of being, the artificial diet has taken a great toll on many pets so detox can be more severe on some! Remember, we talked about this in one of my responses.
Have you noticed poop changes yet?

Originally Posted by AngelWorks

The boys had their first meal last night as I told in a previous post.

One thing to note---- Milo is usually manic from 5PM till about 9PM, w/ waiting for dad to come home.

After he ate he went potty and then curled up and napped for 1 1/2.

While we had dinner, instead of getting up into mischief as usual, he got up in the window next to the table and curled up.


Zack is usually manic all morning. This AM he was calm and relaxed and I didn't feed them till 10:30 AM.


Another first for Milo. He usually lets the cats muscle him away from his food.

Not today. When Ozzie came to sniff the chix leg-------Milo uttered his first ever warning growl.

Ozzie is still trying to get over it.

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[dabrat76]

I'm feeding PMR, have been for a while. And as it turns out, it's an older pup, 9 months, 5lbs that I'm getting. I was just nervous about the 3lber, (i.e. was there particular rmb's I should avoid other than the obvious) but I think I can manage with the 5lb little guy The change only happened this afternoon. Thanks anyway!

Tara

[BakersDozen]

This is a subject that interests me greatly....so much good info and links in this thread, thank you to all. I have reviewed the links & articles, but do not see where there have been any long-term (years) studies on the health effects of a raw diet. Did I miss it, or are there no long-term studies yet?

[dabrat76]

Originally Posted by BakersDozen

This is a subject that interests me greatly....so much good info and links in this thread, thank you to all. I have reviewed the links & articles, but do not see where there have been any long-term (years) studies on the health effects of a raw diet. Did I miss it, or are there no long-term studies yet?

Here's a bit of a tongue in cheek answer for ya that I tell my nay-sayer friends: the fact that dogs still exist is a long term study for me

Tara

[BakersDozen]

Originally Posted by dabrat76

Here's a bit of a tongue in cheek answer for ya that I tell my nay-sayer friends: the fact that dogs still exist is a long term study for me

Tara

LOL Good point. I would like a long-term study of companion dogs, comparing the health of those fed a raw diet and those fed a top-quality (no fillers, by-products, etc) commercial diet....for at least 8 years, preferably 10 years. I agree that most commercial food is c**p, and all the reasoning on the benefits of a raw diet make sense to me. However, I am not convinced of the long-term superiority of a raw diet compared to a top-quality dry food. I am open, just not totally convinced.

[RawfedYorkieLuv]

sorry, my mind is slipping....
I also have different weight classes at home and I feed them all the same size RBM's. The smaller dogs just leave whatever they can't consume. As far as beef bones and other wreck bones, I tend to feed necks and ribs. For my 6 month old 23 ounce baby I do cut into the meaty part of the bone so she can get it off better. And for her, I also wack chicken breasts with my tenderizer a bit. Congratulations on your baby!

Originally Posted by dabrat76

I'm feeding PMR, have been for a while. And as it turns out, it's an older pup, 9 months, 5lbs that I'm getting. I was just nervous about the 3lber, (i.e. was there particular rmb's I should avoid other than the obvious) but I think I can manage with the 5lb little guy The change only happened this afternoon. Thanks anyway!

Tara

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[RawfedYorkieLuv]

Hello and welcome to this thread! There are NO official long-term studies on diet for dogs, period. K*bble companies have done short term AAFCO and AVMA sponsored studies on k*bble fed dogs. Those studies have only been able to prove that dogs *can* SURVIVE on k*bble. Surviving and thriving are two different things. We all remember the documentary on that guy who ate only McDonald's foods for 30 days and its effects. He didn't die either but his health declined. The sick pets that filling up veterinary clinics all over the country are poof that k*bble promotes an unhealthy state of being in our pets! K*bble has only been in existence for 60 something years. RAW was how dogs ate before the invention of business savvy, greedy people! My grandfather and other relatives in that time (most were butchers by trade) fed their dogs RAW. Other parts of the world, where advertisement is not as rampant as it is in our western world, feed their canines RAW foods. Many prey model feeder have been doing this for many many years and report healthy dogs. RAW is not a new fad, it's been around for thousands and thousands of years. That's the way dogs ate UNTIL k*bble was invented.
There is an independent feline study and it revealed that indeed, raw fed cats fared a lot better in comparisons to the other non raw fed cats. As long as there's money to be made in this commercial pet food business, you won't find any sponsored studies on raw. RAW saved my own dog's life and many other prey model feeders are reporting the same reasons as to why they started to research RAW in the first place. They're dogs were sick on k*bble! There is NO such thing as *top quality* kibble! It's all cooked/ processed proteins with other crazy (kelp, garlic ) ingredients that a dog (carnivore) is not able to tolerate well. Dogs are not rabbits. They are ancestors of the gray wolf with identical biochemical make-ups and digestive systems that was designed by nature to eat prey animals in the raw form. Here's a great website for you, if you care to research further; Jane Anderson's Raw Learning Site
read the "Boo hiss" section on the far right on the page, highlighted in yellow. Every so called experts's opinions and assumptions on the RAW matter have been addressed!
Thank you for your interest!
Nadia

Originally Posted by BakersDozen

LOL Good point. I would like a long-term study of companion dogs, comparing the health of those fed a raw diet and those fed a top-quality (no fillers, by-products, etc) commercial diet....for at least 8 years, preferably 10 years. I agree that most commercial food is c**p, and all the reasoning on the benefits of a raw diet make sense to me. However, I am not convinced of the long-term superiority of a raw diet compared to a top-quality dry food. I am open, just not totally convinced.

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[BakersDozen]

Originally Posted by RawfedYorkieLuv

Hello and welcome to this thread! There are NO official long-term studies on diet for dogs, period. K*bble companies have done short term AAFCO and AVMA sponsored studies on k*bble fed dogs. Those studies have only been able to prove that dogs *can* SURVIVE on k*bble. Surviving and thriving are two different things. We all remember the documentary on that guy who ate only McDonald's foods for 30 days and its effects. He didn't die either but his health declined. The sick pets that filling up veterinary clinics all over the country are poof that k*bble promotes an unhealthy state of being in our pets! K*bble has only been in existence for 60 something years. RAW was how dogs ate before the invention of business savvy, greedy people! My grandfather and other relatives in that time (most were butchers by trade) fed their dogs RAW. Other parts of the world, where advertisement is not as rampant as it is in our western world, feed their canines RAW foods. Many prey model feeder have been doing this for many many years and report healthy dogs. RAW is not a new fad, it's been around for thousands and thousands of years. That's the way dogs ate UNTIL k*bble was invented.
There is an independent feline study and it revealed that indeed, raw fed cats fared a lot better in comparisons to the other non raw fed cats. As long as there's money to be made in this commercial pet food business, you won't find any sponsored studies on raw. RAW saved my own dog's life and many other prey model feeders are reporting the same reasons as to why they started to research RAW in the first place. They're dogs were sick on k*bble! There is NO such thing as *top quality* kibble! It's all cooked/ processed proteins with other crazy (kelp, garlic ) ingredients that a dog (carnivore) is not able to tolerate well. Dogs are not rabbits. They are ancestors of the gray wolf with identical biochemical make-ups and digestive systems that was designed by nature to eat prey animals in the raw form. Here's a great website for you, if you care to research further; Jane Anderson's Raw Learning Site
read the "Boo hiss" section on the far right on the page, highlighted in yellow. Every so called experts's opinions and assumptions on the RAW matter have been addressed!
Thank you for your interest!
Nadia





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Thanks so much for the info! I perused that website for quite a while earlier, and found some great information. I would probably be more inclined to try it if my dogs were having any problems.....but they are healthy. It appeals to me for the same reasons that organic whole food appeal to me for myself, and one of those reasons is that I don't have so many health problems when I eat healthfully. But if I am going to switch them from something that they are already doing extremely well on.....I need a very very compelling reason. So far the only reasons that are compelling for me in my particular circumstance are the long-term effects (of which I can find no evidence for either food), and the thought that it might be of benefit to my little one who is a bit overweight. One other thought, again just in my particular circumstance, is that it is very, very difficult to find organic meat in my area. Therefore, I would be switching from a processed diet to a diet full of growth hormones and other c**p. I'm not sure this is a step up.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by RawfedYorkieLuv

RAW is not a new fad, it's been around for thousands and thousands of years. That's the way dogs ate UNTIL kibble was invented.

[RawfedYorkieLuv]

Obviously there are many people who will feed whatever they're feeding for whatever reasons......
Even if the animal wasn't sick *yet* from k*bble, that does not mean its eating a species appropriate diet which k*bble is not. Artificial, cooked, man-made. I rather take my "chances" with supermarket meat vs an *organic* pellet.
But you are right to ask yourself these questions, as I debated this with myself. I concluded that my dogs are better off with prey model. My puppies never even had any health problems to begin with but why not let them eat the good food as well?! I got my concrete answer and proof when one of my female dogs came to me at 12 weeks old at 1 1/2 pounds, k*bble fed of course but non the less NOT skinny. She was never even expected to reach 4 pounds as an adult! She's now almost 14 months old and weighs almost 6 pounds! She looks and acts so different than my senior dog did when he was her age and I had him since he was 5 weeks old! I can feel her ribs, but not see them = perfect weight. It's a known fact around prey model feeders that puppies experience natural growth vs. unnatural growth spurts on k*bble. I'm 100% confident of similar results with my other puppy female. I went the grain free route. I also went the home cooking and the pre made BARF route. NOTHING compares to the results that I have with prey model. Nothing. And I'm not alone in those observations. One does not know the difference in a dog if one never fed his dog prey model. What appears to be a normal/healthy k*bble fed dog will be a spectacular dog on prey model! What I'm saying is; you don't know how much better your dog can and will be until you see for yourself!

Originally Posted by BakersDozen

Thanks so much for the info! I perused that website for quite a while earlier, and found some great information. I would probably be more inclined to try it if my dogs were having any problems.....but they are healthy. It appeals to me for the same reasons that organic whole food appeal to me for myself, and one of those reasons is that I don't have so many health problems when I eat healthfully. But if I am going to switch them from something that they are already doing extremely well on.....I need a very very compelling reason. So far the only reasons that are compelling for me in my particular circumstance are the long-term effects (of which I can find no evidence for either food), and the thought that it might be of benefit to my little one who is a bit overweight. One other thought, again just in my particular circumstance, is that it is very, very difficult to find organic meat in my area. Therefore, I would be switching from a processed diet to a diet full of growth hormones and other c**p. I'm not sure this is a step up.

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