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jesscruz · 12-08-2005, 04:43 PM

hey guys, i have not been posting here much, because it has changed alot, but i will say that there needs to be some changes here. "staying within the rules" doesn't mean that it makes someones comments okay and acceptable to everyone. i have been reading alot and not posting much, and with my reading there are so many things that i thought were grounds for suspension, for to me they were "personal attacks" why this person was not suspended idk, but i am begining to realize how this place works.i don't think that i will use the ignore feature only because i already used my own ignore feature in my mind wich so far only contains 2 members.been doing good so far

although it is hard!!! idk, i am just glad to be friends with alot of you, for i don't think that i can feel good about myself knowing that i am hated by so majority.

jesscruz · 12-08-2005, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by red98vett

the trolls (or kids, because that's who they sounded like) just ruined the whole site. THAT is what a troll can do.

i hear ya v! sadly i think it is happening here. sooo many older members hardly ever post anymore, wich i think is very sad

txshopper73 · 12-08-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jesscruz

hey guys, i have not been posting here much, because it has changed alot, but i will say that there needs to be some changes here. "staying within the rules" doesn't mean that it makes someones comments okay and acceptable to everyone. i have been reading alot and not posting much, and with my reading there are so many things that i thought were grounds for suspension, for to me they were "personal attacks" why this person was not suspended idk, but i am begining to realize how this place works.i don't think that i will use the ignore feature only because i already used my own ignore feature in my mind wich so far only contains 2 members.been doing good so far

although it is hard!!! idk, i am just glad to be friends with alot of you, for i don't think that i can feel good about myself knowing that i am hated by so majority.

Well, I was wondering where you've been. What you've written is very true.

rrosenberry · 12-08-2005, 04:47 PM

well,, I just wanted to post this before,,the big PADLOCK appears... again! Since I have noone on my list I can read em all... Cause I have NOSE PROBLEMS,,, I can't block anyone,,,YET... so I know the Padlock will be here..soon, I hope this post makes it.....LOL

jesscruz · 12-08-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73

Well, I was wondering where you've been. What you've written is very true.

hehe, ya i was on the naughty chair for awhile

bad temper..

txshopper73 · 12-08-2005, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jesscruz

hehe, ya i was on the naughty chair for awhile

bad temper..

THE TRUTH COMES OUT!!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!! hehehehe

minniemn · 12-08-2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by red98vett

?????

I beg to differ and am sharing this because most members here do not "Troll"

This is the internet description of what that term means from CureZone.com :

An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer.

Forum Troll delights in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.

A classic troll is trying to make us believe that he is a skeptic. He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. Troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them.

While he tries to present himself as a skeptic looking for truth ... his messages usually sound as if it is the responsibility of other forum members to provide evidence that what forum is all about is legitimate science.

What I See on this site is many passionate people who CARE about yorkies, are very quick to jump up and help anyone with their questions - and have a geniune love for the breed - because things get debated does not mean someone is 'Trolling' ...... usually the debates are sparked by strong beliefs.

wow, this explains a lot- thnks for putting it in black and white- so when someone asks we can repost easily.

V- you are on my list too of someone I want to meet someday.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 12-08-2005, 05:09 PM

There are actually many definitions of the internet form of "troll".

I have discovered that there is actually a science of studying the "workings" of these forums and human nature. It is very interesting to analyze what has happened in this case. Here is a citation from Wikpedia which I think is right on about the phenomenon and what happens here:

Often, a person will post a sincere message about which they are emotionally
sensitive. Skillful trolls know that an easy way to upset them is to
disingenuously claim that the person is a "troll". On other occasions, a
person may not instantly understand, or fit into the social norms of a forum
where most users are the same. As a result, their acting just slightly out
of the norms (often unintentionally, and for legitimate reasons) garners the
label "troll". It can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between a user
who is merely unfamiliar with the social protocols of a forum, and a user
who is intentionally trolling; unfortunately, many users react aggressively
on a first impression to a perceived troll, which sometimes leads
disgruntled new users to become legitimate trolls.

There are many skillful "trolls" on this forum and I used to hate the word because I was labelled one on a forum when I defended a breeder I "knew" who was wrongly accused of stealing a picture and I didn't know what it meant. I was appalled at the troll hunt that ensued and the way I was treated.

When a group of people on a forum want to make life miserable for one member they join together and constantly find fault with the posts and look for ways to convince the admin to ban the member. It is quite successful usually because it is done to newbies on small forums where the "regulars" have a lot of power. It is harder to do on the large forum with a lot of members because others will see what is happening and try to stop the "lynch mob".

The admin here is very very good and rarely do these groups succeed here but that doesn't stop them from trying again and again.

chachi · 12-08-2005, 05:14 PM

Well its only a matter of time before this thread gets locked.

txshopper73 · 12-08-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

When a group of people on a forum want to make life miserable for one member they join together and constantly find fault with the posts and look for ways to convince the admin to ban the member. It is quite successful usually because it is done to newbies on small forums where the "regulars" have a lot of power. It is harder to do on the large forum with a lot of members because others will see what is happening and try to stop the "lynch mob".

The admin here is very very good and rarely do these groups succeed here but that doesn't stop them from trying again and again.

Sorry, but I will step in on this one...got nosey and had to peak...probably should have just left it alone...

What about one member that wants to make life miserable for a forum? I've never known of members asking admin to ban anyone. I know that I've never done that.

I think that Sherry Lynn gave the best analogy when she talked about a Holocaust website...http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...ight=Holocaust

SoCalyorkiLvr · 12-08-2005, 05:17 PM

This is also from curezone:

Sometimes, Internet trolling is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, ignoring warnings from forum moderators.( Often by a group of trolls banding together.)

Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it, or to report a message to a forum moderator. CureZone moderators usually delete troll messages or block trolls. Negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions.

When this occurs on my threads I do my best to ignore the insults, the baits, the misquotes and the harassment and I may or may not report to admin, but usually someone does, and the worst posts get deleted and sometimes the troll gets suspended.

SoCalyorkiLvr · 12-08-2005, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73

Sorry, but I will step in on this one...got nosey and had to peak...probably should have just left it alone...

What about one member that wants to make life miserable for a forum? I've never known of members asking admin to ban anyone. I know that I've never done that.

I think that Sherry Lynn gave the best analogy when she talked about a Holocaust website...http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...ight=Holocaust

Won't touch that one with a ten foot poll...one of the most disturbing posts I have ever read!!! Talk about inflaming!!! Those who bought into that one ....well, what can i say, but EEEEKKKKKK!!! Can't get much worse than that!

As you said...you probably should have left the ignore button on on this one.......

Breeze · 12-08-2005, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by txshopper73

Sorry, but I will step in on this one...got nosey and had to peak...probably should have just left it alone...

What about one member that wants to make life miserable for a forum? I've never known of members asking admin to ban anyone. I know that I've never done that.

I think that Sherry Lynn gave the best analogy when she talked about a Holocaust website...http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...ight=Holocaust

I agree and where is the protection from members having to deal with this on a daily basis? Obviously a lot of people are unhappy.

txshopper73 · 12-08-2005, 05:28 PM

From another forum totally unrelated to yorkies or dogs for that matter...

How do I recognize a troll?
It is never easy to tell them apart from genuine posters especially when they do not disclose their goal immediately. We have seen cases where trolls took several months to build support in the community before starting their trolling activity in the open. Contrary to what most people may imagine, their contribution to the community may be positive and supportive at first. Some will even go into baiting people (or accomplice/other identities) to abuse them publicly to garner more support. This is especially true for trolls who seek attention or financial gains.

How to deal with them?
Trolls are best to be ignored. In fact, each time you will mention them or talk about them or talk to them you will reinforce the negative effect on the community.

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS. This is our best recommendation. Use the Ignore button at the top right of the posts and avoid the topics that look artificially controversial. Do not reply to these bait posts and do not communicate any personal information. In support communities, the troll will often pose as a victim. They will seek your support and trust.

txshopper73 · 12-08-2005, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Breeze

I agree and where is the protection from members having to deal with this on a daily basis? Obviously a lot of people are unhappy.

I agree. There have been many unhappy people here lately. Have you noticed that there isn't much movement on the site as there has been in the past. We don't have NEAR as many posts as we once did.

12-08-2005, 04:43 PM	#61
jesscruz YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: seaside,ca Posts: 1,763	hey guys, i have not been posting here much, because it has changed alot, but i will say that there needs to be some changes here. "staying within the rules" doesn't mean that it makes someones comments okay and acceptable to everyone. i have been reading alot and not posting much, and with my reading there are so many things that i thought were grounds for suspension, for to me they were "personal attacks" why this person was not suspended idk, but i am begining to realize how this place works.i don't think that i will use the ignore feature only because i already used my own ignore feature in my mind wich so far only contains 2 members.been doing good so far although it is hard!!! idk, i am just glad to be friends with alot of you, for i don't think that i can feel good about myself knowing that i am hated by so majority. __________________ mommy's little baby coco bear

12-08-2005, 04:47 PM	#64
rrosenberry & Bailey & Bella Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,164	well,, I just wanted to post this before,,the big PADLOCK appears... again! Since I have noone on my list I can read em all... Cause I have NOSE PROBLEMS,,, I can't block anyone,,,YET... so I know the Padlock will be here..soon, I hope this post makes it.....LOL __________________ Rhonda, Bailey, Josie and my angel Bella Rue' "Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." ~Anatole France~

12-08-2005, 05:14 PM	#69
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	Well its only a matter of time before this thread gets locked. __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

12-08-2005, 05:28 PM	#74
txshopper73 Donating YT 14K Club Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 14,226 Blog Entries: 1	From another forum totally unrelated to yorkies or dogs for that matter... How do I recognize a troll? It is never easy to tell them apart from genuine posters especially when they do not disclose their goal immediately. We have seen cases where trolls took several months to build support in the community before starting their trolling activity in the open. Contrary to what most people may imagine, their contribution to the community may be positive and supportive at first. Some will even go into baiting people (or accomplice/other identities) to abuse them publicly to garner more support. This is especially true for trolls who seek attention or financial gains. How to deal with them? Trolls are best to be ignored. In fact, each time you will mention them or talk about them or talk to them you will reinforce the negative effect on the community. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS. This is our best recommendation. Use the Ignore button at the top right of the posts and avoid the topics that look artificially controversial. Do not reply to these bait posts and do not communicate any personal information. In support communities, the troll will often pose as a victim. They will seek your support and trust. __________________ As always...JMO (Just My Opinion) Kimberley

12-08-2005, 05:09 PM	#68
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	There are actually many definitions of the internet form of "troll". I have discovered that there is actually a science of studying the "workings" of these forums and human nature. It is very interesting to analyze what has happened in this case. Here is a citation from Wikpedia which I think is right on about the phenomenon and what happens here: Often, a person will post a sincere message about which they are emotionally sensitive. Skillful trolls know that an easy way to upset them is to disingenuously claim that the person is a "troll". On other occasions, a person may not instantly understand, or fit into the social norms of a forum where most users are the same. As a result, their acting just slightly out of the norms (often unintentionally, and for legitimate reasons) garners the label "troll". It can sometimes be difficult to distinguish between a user who is merely unfamiliar with the social protocols of a forum, and a user who is intentionally trolling; unfortunately, many users react aggressively on a first impression to a perceived troll, which sometimes leads disgruntled new users to become legitimate trolls. There are many skillful "trolls" on this forum and I used to hate the word because I was labelled one on a forum when I defended a breeder I "knew" who was wrongly accused of stealing a picture and I didn't know what it meant. I was appalled at the troll hunt that ensued and the way I was treated. When a group of people on a forum want to make life miserable for one member they join together and constantly find fault with the posts and look for ways to convince the admin to ban the member. It is quite successful usually because it is done to newbies on small forums where the "regulars" have a lot of power. It is harder to do on the large forum with a lot of members because others will see what is happening and try to stop the "lynch mob". The admin here is very very good and rarely do these groups succeed here but that doesn't stop them from trying again and again.

12-08-2005, 05:17 PM	#71
SoCalyorkiLvr BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,246	This is also from curezone: Sometimes, Internet trolling is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, ignoring warnings from forum moderators.( Often by a group of trolls banding together.) Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it, or to report a message to a forum moderator. CureZone moderators usually delete troll messages or block trolls. Negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. When this occurs on my threads I do my best to ignore the insults, the baits, the misquotes and the harassment and I may or may not report to admin, but usually someone does, and the worst posts get deleted and sometimes the troll gets suspended.