For sale threads

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I believe that YT can come up with a set of guidelines on their own without borrowing from the YTCA.

Nothing is wrong with their code of ethics or conduct.....and I did say tweaked.
I think that is what is being missed here is that we are here to protect what we are breeding and to benefit each other. It shouldn't be about our like or dislike of YTCA. We have had too many come on here and think it's a great place to sell yorkies. You see them....at every post where someone is looking for a yorkie they interject "I have a new litter contact me" or with their first post it's in the yorkie or sale section. Or hide behind the featured breeders forum by paying $50.00 and you're considered the best of the best and not subject to questioning....that in itself is very deceiving to the new yorkie buyer.

[fannie]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Nothing is wrong with their code of ethics or conduct.....and I did say tweaked.
I think that is what is being missed here is that we are here to protect what we are breeding and to benefit each other. It shouldn't be about our like or dislike of YTCA. We have had too many come on here and think it's a great place to sell yorkies. You see them....at every post where someone is looking for a yorkie they interject "I have a new litter contact me" or with their first post it's in the yorkie or sale section. Or hide behind the featured breeders forum by paying $50.00 and you're considered the best of the best and not subject to questioning....that in itself is very deceiving to the new yorkie buyer.

I agree. Why can't a featured breeder be subject to questioning? If you don't have anything to hide, then why should it be a problem? If you are an ethical breeder, why should it be a problem?

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

I believe that YT can come up with a set of guidelines on their own without borrowing from the YTCA.

Just using it as a basis and guide--changing things so that it fits those not fitting that perfect mold, but whom are still ethical--like yourself.
But we are all entitled to our opinions and the ethics of the YTCA are currently being discussed in several threads...no need to drag that argument here and make this thread all about that debate too.

[MyFairLacy]

I would be happy to see no puppies advertised or sold on this site as well. I love being able to buy and sell merchandise, but many people buy puppies from YT members with a false sense of security.

By using the YTCA's code of ethics, it can definitely be tweaked. I know everyone has their opinions about the colors and all. I'm not saying that partis or biewers couldn't be sold or that puppies that end up being born tiny or over standard can't be sold. I am copying the code of ethics and conduct from the YTCA's website. I bolded the points that I personally would be most concerned about seeing in our featured breeders:

CODE OF ETHICS
.
.
1) A breeder-member shall strive to conform to the Yorkshire Terrier Standard as approved by the American Kennel Club, to improve progeny, and to reduce faults to a minimum. (Ignoring COLOR - the rest of the standard should be followed)
.
2) Members shall comply with the rules of the American Kennel Club concerning record keeping and the registration, identification, sale, and transfer of dogs.
.
3) Members shall refer potential puppy purchasers to other reputable breeders and be helpful and courteous to those who request information about the breed.
.
4) All stud dogs and bitches shall be screened prior to breeding for both infectious and hereditary diseases using the then generally accepted and available techniques.
.
5) A breeder-member selling puppies or offering stud services shall fully disclose to potential clients any serious or disabling hereditary defects, including the reasonable possibility of such defects.
.
6) All contractual terms and conditions relating to Yorkshire Terriers shall be reduced to writing and shall be honored by a member.
.
7) An exhibitor-member shall not alter a dog’s natural appearance except as provided in the Yorkshire Terrier Standard.
.
8) A member shall not defame another member nor seek to impair a member’s
reputation, provided, however, a member shall report any serious situation that is detrimental to the breed or is inconsistent with these principles.
.
9) A member’s advertising:
- shall be professional in appearance and location;
- shall not refer to YTCA membership to attempt to enhance integrity or the quality of stock;
- shall not contain any misleading photograph or other graphic materials; and
- shall not use terms as “teacup”, “tiny specialists”, doll faced, or similar terminology.
.
10) A member shall sponsor an applicant for membership only if the member has personally known the applicant for at least two years. At least one of the sponsoring members must have visited the applicants’ facility at least once during the two years immediately preceding the application date.


CODE OF CONDUCT
.
.
1) Assistance and encouragement shall be willingly offered by members to show novices and others needing advice and guidance. The welfare of the breed will be in their hands in the future.
.
2) All dogs will be kept under safe and sanitary conditions, be given maximum health care and protection, including regular inoculations and proper nutrition.
.
3) Healthy spacing between litters will be a priority and unspayed bitches will be protected from unplanned matings. Bitches will in no case be bred before their second heat or before they are at least 18 months of age, whichever comes first, nor be placed at risk by an unreasonable number of cesarean sections and then only with the concurrence of a veterinarian.
.
4) Puppies will not be sold or consigned to pet stores, agents, or other commercial enterprises nor sold to disreputable breeders, and neither puppies nor stud services will be offered as prizes or for raffles.
.
5) Prospective buyers will be screened as thoroughly as possible to determine their intent, as well as their ability and interest in providing a safe, adequate, loving environment and a long term relationship with a puppy or adult dog.
.
6) All puppies and dogs offered for sale will be sold with written sales agreements to include clear terms and conditions and be signed by the seller and buyer. The contract will request that the seller be contacted in the event that at any time the owner is unable to keep the dog, it will be the obligation of the seller to assist in the placement of the dog in question.
.
7) Purchasers will be required to neuter/spay all puppies sold as pets. If specified in the written sales contract, the seller will promptly release limited registration forms upon receipt of a veterinarian’s certification of such spaying or neutering.
.
8) All puppies leaving the breeders possession will be a minimum of twelve (12) weeks of age to facilitate adequate socialization as well as appropriate emotional and temperament development through interaction with siblings, dam and other dogs. .

9) Breeders will provide puppy buyers with written details of feeding, general care, date and types of a minimum of two (2) inoculations, as well as dates of wormings, grooming instructions, etc. and be available to offer future advise as needed.
.
10) Stud service will be offered only by and to AKC Full Registered, healthy, mature dogs and bitches, respectively, and only of sound temperament. The dogs and Bitches should be free of serious congenital and hereditary defects. Stud service will be refused for any mating which is considered to not be in the best interest of the breed.
.
11) Animals recently exposed to the risks of infectious diseases and bitches with nursing whelp will not be exhibited.
.
12) Members realize that they represent the dog fancy in general and Yorkshire Terriers specifically to the general public. Members will act in a professional and good sportsman-like manner at all times and will respect the rules of hotels/motels, other show sites and of all show sponsors.

[Mardelin]

the first one should be tweaked a bit more, as mixed breeds would not have a standard.

#2 there are those that are not affiliated with AKC or would this be a requirement....impossible for Biewers since they are not AKC registrable

# 12 would have to be tweaked to.

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

the first one should be tweaked a bit more, as mixed breeds would not have a standard.

#2 there are those that are not affiliated with AKC or would this be a requirement....impossible for Biewers since they are not AKC registrable

# 12 would have to be tweaked to.

I didn't bold any of those...I was trying to ignore registry, showing, or colors but point out everything else I wanted to see

[TammyJM]

I guess I look at the sale on puppies/dogs on here differently. I think that it is a wonderful way for a breeder to sell their babies because they can (hopefully) trust another YT member to love these precious puppies. As a future breeder, I worry that I might sell to the wrong person and I want to make sure that I do my best to find the best home(s) possible....and YT offers the means to feel more comfortable with this process.

Tammy

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

I guess I look at the sale on puppies/dogs on here differently. I think that it is a wonderful way for a breeder to sell their babies because they can (hopefully) trust another YT member to love these precious puppies. As a future breeder, I worry that I might sell to the wrong person and I want to make sure that I do my best to find the best home(s) possible....and YT offers the means to feel more comfortable with this process.

Tammy

I can definitely understand that. I feel like I can trust many of the regulars on here. However, we do have to be so careful. This is the Internet, and even YT can give you a false sense of security. I saw Sugar's Mom write once that she was about to sell to a YT member who she though she could trust and luckily someone contacted her and told her not to sell to that member. There have also been a few long-time members on here with a lot of posts that turned out to be lieing and scamming. Even with YT members, you have to be really careful..you just don't know whose behind that computer screen really.

[fannie]

As a seller, you should always screen anybody that wants to buy a puppy. Regardless of wether it's sold on here or anywhere. The screening process should be the same.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by TammyJM

I guess I look at the sale on puppies/dogs on here differently. I think that it is a wonderful way for a breeder to sell their babies because they can (hopefully) trust another YT member to love these precious puppies. As a future breeder, I worry that I might sell to the wrong person and I want to make sure that I do my best to find the best home(s) possible....and YT offers the means to feel more comfortable with this process.

Tammy

As in every area of life one must make educated decisions. There are people that come on here just to sell yorkies and that is all they post about. Just because a breeder is a member of YT doesn't make them reputable, just as being a show breeder doesn't automatically make them reputable. In any arena there are those that breed just to sell without concern for the dogs they are breeding or puppies they produce or who they sell puppies too, it's all about the money. So, I guess that is why Fannie is asking that there be put in place a set of guidelines/rules to protect YT members or other newbies that come on in search of a yorkie/morkie/biewer....or mixed yorkie breed.

[TammyJM]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

As in every area of life one must make educated decisions. There are people that come on here just to sell yorkies and that is all they post about. Just because a breeder is a member of YT doesn't make them reputable, just as being a show breeder doesn't automatically make them reputable. In any arena there are those that breed just to sell without concern for the dogs they are breeding or puppies they produce or who they sell puppies too, it's all about the money. So, I guess that is why Fannie is asking that there be put in place a set of guidelines/rules to protect YT members or other newbies that come on in search of a yorkie/morkie/biewer....or mixed yorkie breed.

I didn't say that I disagreed with Stephaine...I think she has made very valid points.

Tammy

[peanut]

I think they personally need to get rid of it.

[MyFairLacy]

Originally Posted by peanut

I think they personally need to get rid of it.

That would be ideal

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by MyFairLacy

That would be ideal

I agree

[fannie]

I really don't feel that it needs to be gotten rid of completely. I DO feel that sellers need to be upheld to higher standards so that people CAN find reputible breeders here.