In Paris, my yorkie is bleeding from Vagina - YorkieTalk.com Forums

adiben · 08-03-2007, 08:21 AM

My Yorkie, Diva was neutered in 2001. She is also a Liver Shunt survivor, had the surgery in 2002.

I work in europe during the summer and have been traveling with her for years. We are now in Paris and have been since June 7th.

On June 22 we left Paris & went on a vacation in the So. of France where it was hot. We often played in the pool and sometimes she would drink the chlorinated water.

The day after our vacation (July 1) we went to Basel Switzerland & she began to tuck her tail in and lick her vagina. Her appetite was and is normal, she pees and poops normally, and doesnt drink more than normal.

I took her to a vet there & they didnt see any blood in her urine. So they gave her antibiotics for 5 days and this should take care of it.

The meds didnt change a thing. A few days after the meds were done she began to bleed, still tucking, still licking. We were now back in Paris and it was July 15th.

In Paris, we went to yet another vet and he did a completely blood panel. All was normal except that her urine showed high alkalinity. He prescribed antibiotics for 10 days but DID NOT do a culture because she still had meds in her system from Basel.

During those 10 days she still tucked & still licked but the bleeding stopped. A few days after these meds were done, she began to bleed again.

This time we waited a week and on August 1st, he did a puncture into the bladder to draw out sterilized sample and went into the vagina with a scope. He did not see any polyps or growths but it noted that the inside was quite inflamed and red. He then took a culture of vagina and we are awaiting lab results. Becaue her urine was so alkaline (8) the vet prescribed Hills S/D to raise her acid levels which I think is crap since it has corn starch as the first ingredient. She is to eat this for a week.

Meanwhile as we await lab results she bleeds and licks and tucks.
I am at my wits end trying to deal with this in a foreign country.

I dont want to keep feeding her this crap, she is gaining weight and always hungry.

Does anyone have any idea what can be going on?

I am going crazy and very nervous about this whole experience. Plus we must have spent at least a thousand dollars in vets.

We leave Paris August 15th and thankfully go home back to Seattle.

HELP!

YorkieRose · 08-03-2007, 08:32 AM

Did the vet put her back on an antibotic...? In Europe and many places you can get cranberry pills..they are bright red..here in the states I see them in capsules..
Go to the pharmacy and ask for them..usually you give two a day..and I would give her yogart..
Best wishes...

adiben · 08-03-2007, 08:38 AM

Thats assuming she has a bladder infection. If she had that she would drink and or pee more often.

We do not know that this is the case here.
I dont want to give her anything until I know.

AND right now, she is on the S/D crap to raise acids. Not sure if I want to mess with any yogurt until we get her PH back to normal.

Thanks for your help. I guess we need to wait for the lab results.

Yorkiedaze · 08-03-2007, 08:39 AM

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some Vets. can put our babies on medication when they don't even know what's wrong with them. My suggestion is to taker her off all medication and the Hills, which like you say, is garbage food. Put her on some white rice and cooked ground beef till you can go to a Vet. in the states. Who knows, she may not even need on after eating a better diet and not take medications. The medications ALWAYS cause other problems.

adiben · 08-03-2007, 08:45 AM

I am tempted to get her off this S/D crap.

Why white rice and not brown?
No veggies?

She is not on meds right now. But if she has an infection, wont we need antibiotics?

Thanks for your support.

YorkieRose · 08-03-2007, 08:55 AM

Cranberry is not just for the bladder...it is for the entire reproductive system..I know she has been spayed, but she still has tissue/tubes(urethra) that can be come inflamed in her bladder and vaginial area...she has the symptoms of a bladder stone, but the vet checked for that, correct?

adiben · 08-03-2007, 09:02 AM

I dont know if vet checked for stones. How would they do that?
I would imagine that this would be from the urine culture, right?

Still...not sure if cranberry would mess with her PH. We are trying to get her more acidic. I think that the pool experience is how this whole thing began.
She was sitting in water for a while and the chlorine entered into her vagina and killed friendly bacteria.

But who knows.

Like I said. I am stumped.
If I find this cranberry. How much do I give her a day?

Thanks for your help.

YorkieRose · 08-03-2007, 09:30 AM

Stones are detected by an xray..some vets can palpitate and feel them, but they always xray to make sure. I would hold off on the cranberry to you are sure there are no stones..her ph is ripe for stones..but this is tricky...and I have not gotten my DVM degree as yet..LOL

adiben · 08-03-2007, 09:40 AM

My gut says wait till we get home in 10 days.

Thanks again

TLC · 08-03-2007, 10:07 AM

I don't know if you can get this in Europe...but
Apple Cider Vinegar (with the Mother, and unpasterized)
is supposed to be helpful in maintaining a balance ph.

http://www.bragg.com/products/applecidervinegar.html

Here are a few sites with information about how it works. They are breif, but read them through and see what you think? This way you will know what you are talking about when you go to the Vet, although, I am sure she has no clue about it...

http://www.earthclinic.com/Pets/acvfordogs.html

http://www.hundmeister.com/acvbenefit.htm

http://www.organic-dog.com/?action=v...c02f4dd66cb025

http://b-naturals.com/product_info.p...2e48a116e26bb3

Pet Care - Daily Health Tonic
The minerals, enzymes and acids in unpasteurized apple cider vinegar can supplement your pet's existing diet. It can be added either directly to the dog's food or drinking water.

Besides being a good source of easily absorbable potassium, apple cider vinegar aids digestion, inhibits the growth of unfriendly bacteria and helps maintain the proper acid/alkaline balance of the digestive tract.

Many holistic Vets recommend a daily dosage of:
1 tsp (5 ml) for cats and small dogs (up to 14 lb)
2 tsp (10 ml) for medium dogs (15 to 34 lb)
1 tbsp (15 ml) for large dogs (35 to 84 lb)

yorkieK9trainer · 08-03-2007, 10:14 AM

I have kidney stones myself....no fun.
IF you want to help balance the PH in her urine, you can give Vitamin C, it's acidic content is better and offers more than just cranberry juice alone will. (you're talking to a girl that used to get uti's every year...yes, the culprit has been found. THANKFULLY)

Further, it's difficult and can be costly to find a cranberry juice that is just THAT alone and not all the sugars and preservatives put in it for human consumption. I'd offer up that you just go get plain Vit C tabs and give that to her, her body will dump what it can't/doesn't use because of the nature of this vitamin.

That sterile urine catch that vet did should yield you some better insight if either a uti or kidney issue is the culprit for sure!

adiben · 08-03-2007, 12:53 PM

Everyone is sending me such great advice.
BUT, I still dont know why Diva is bleeding.
Dont you think its best to wait for lab results?
In the meantime, all I do know is that her urine PH is alkaline so I am running to the health food store tomorrow to buy ACV.

In the meantime,she is on this yucky Hills S/D dog food which ismaking her fat. I am tempted to take her off of it but dont know what to replace it with.
Vet said only for a week. Should I wait or literally CAN it.

And if I CAN it, what do I feed her that is balanced?

So confused.

Thanks all

Yorkiedaze · 08-03-2007, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adiben

I am tempted to get her off this S/D crap.

Why white rice and not brown?
No veggies?

She is not on meds right now. But if she has an infection, wont we need antibiotics?

Thanks for your support.

The white rice is much easier to digest and usually are put on it when the dogs are sick.

Yorkiekids · 08-03-2007, 02:39 PM

I'm sorry I don't know what it could be, but I will send prayers your way. Looking forward to having you back home.

LC598 · 08-06-2007, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adiben

Everyone is sending me such great advice.
BUT, I still dont know why Diva is bleeding.
Dont you think its best to wait for lab results?
In the meantime, all I do know is that her urine PH is alkaline so I am running to the health food store tomorrow to buy ACV.

In the meantime,she is on this yucky Hills S/D dog food which ismaking her fat. I am tempted to take her off of it but dont know what to replace it with.
Vet said only for a week. Should I wait or literally CAN it.

And if I CAN it, what do I feed her that is balanced?

So confused.

Thanks all

I would say stick with the food. A week is not that long and if it helps her that is surely a good thing? right??

As for Cranberry, I would be hesitant until getting the results. It also isn't all that easy to find in France, certainly not where I am. Any luck with the ACD? I have looked before and wasn't successful.

08-03-2007, 08:21 AM	#1
adiben Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kirkland, wa Posts: 57	In Paris, my yorkie is bleeding from Vagina My Yorkie, Diva was neutered in 2001. She is also a Liver Shunt survivor, had the surgery in 2002. I work in europe during the summer and have been traveling with her for years. We are now in Paris and have been since June 7th. On June 22 we left Paris & went on a vacation in the So. of France where it was hot. We often played in the pool and sometimes she would drink the chlorinated water. The day after our vacation (July 1) we went to Basel Switzerland & she began to tuck her tail in and lick her vagina. Her appetite was and is normal, she pees and poops normally, and doesnt drink more than normal. I took her to a vet there & they didnt see any blood in her urine. So they gave her antibiotics for 5 days and this should take care of it. The meds didnt change a thing. A few days after the meds were done she began to bleed, still tucking, still licking. We were now back in Paris and it was July 15th. In Paris, we went to yet another vet and he did a completely blood panel. All was normal except that her urine showed high alkalinity. He prescribed antibiotics for 10 days but DID NOT do a culture because she still had meds in her system from Basel. During those 10 days she still tucked & still licked but the bleeding stopped. A few days after these meds were done, she began to bleed again. This time we waited a week and on August 1st, he did a puncture into the bladder to draw out sterilized sample and went into the vagina with a scope. He did not see any polyps or growths but it noted that the inside was quite inflamed and red. He then took a culture of vagina and we are awaiting lab results. Becaue her urine was so alkaline (8) the vet prescribed Hills S/D to raise her acid levels which I think is crap since it has corn starch as the first ingredient. She is to eat this for a week. Meanwhile as we await lab results she bleeds and licks and tucks. I am at my wits end trying to deal with this in a foreign country. I dont want to keep feeding her this crap, she is gaining weight and always hungry. Does anyone have any idea what can be going on? I am going crazy and very nervous about this whole experience. Plus we must have spent at least a thousand dollars in vets. We leave Paris August 15th and thankfully go home back to Seattle. HELP!

08-03-2007, 08:32 AM	#2
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	problem Did the vet put her back on an antibotic...? In Europe and many places you can get cranberry pills..they are bright red..here in the states I see them in capsules.. Go to the pharmacy and ask for them..usually you give two a day..and I would give her yogart.. Best wishes...

08-03-2007, 08:38 AM	#3
adiben Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kirkland, wa Posts: 57	Cranberry Thats assuming she has a bladder infection. If she had that she would drink and or pee more often. We do not know that this is the case here. I dont want to give her anything until I know. AND right now, she is on the S/D crap to raise acids. Not sure if I want to mess with any yogurt until we get her PH back to normal. Thanks for your help. I guess we need to wait for the lab results.

08-03-2007, 08:45 AM	#5
adiben Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kirkland, wa Posts: 57	Diet while in Paris I am tempted to get her off this S/D crap. Why white rice and not brown? No veggies? She is not on meds right now. But if she has an infection, wont we need antibiotics? Thanks for your support.

08-03-2007, 08:55 AM	#6
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	cranberry Cranberry is not just for the bladder...it is for the entire reproductive system..I know she has been spayed, but she still has tissue/tubes(urethra) that can be come inflamed in her bladder and vaginial area...she has the symptoms of a bladder stone, but the vet checked for that, correct?

08-03-2007, 08:39 AM	#4
Yorkiedaze My hairy-legged girls Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: lompoc, ca. Posts: 12,228	It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some Vets. can put our babies on medication when they don't even know what's wrong with them. My suggestion is to taker her off all medication and the Hills, which like you say, is garbage food. Put her on some white rice and cooked ground beef till you can go to a Vet. in the states. Who knows, she may not even need on after eating a better diet and not take medications. The medications ALWAYS cause other problems.

08-03-2007, 09:02 AM	#7
adiben Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kirkland, wa Posts: 57	Cranberry I dont know if vet checked for stones. How would they do that? I would imagine that this would be from the urine culture, right? Still...not sure if cranberry would mess with her PH. We are trying to get her more acidic. I think that the pool experience is how this whole thing began. She was sitting in water for a while and the chlorine entered into her vagina and killed friendly bacteria. But who knows. Like I said. I am stumped. If I find this cranberry. How much do I give her a day? Thanks for your help.

08-03-2007, 09:30 AM	#8
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	stones Stones are detected by an xray..some vets can palpitate and feel them, but they always xray to make sure. I would hold off on the cranberry to you are sure there are no stones..her ph is ripe for stones..but this is tricky...and I have not gotten my DVM degree as yet..LOL

08-03-2007, 09:40 AM	#9
adiben Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kirkland, wa Posts: 57	Stones or not My gut says wait till we get home in 10 days. Thanks again

08-03-2007, 10:07 AM	#10
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	I don't know if you can get this in Europe...but Apple Cider Vinegar (with the Mother, and unpasterized) is supposed to be helpful in maintaining a balance ph. http://www.bragg.com/products/applecidervinegar.html Here are a few sites with information about how it works. They are breif, but read them through and see what you think? This way you will know what you are talking about when you go to the Vet, although, I am sure she has no clue about it... http://www.earthclinic.com/Pets/acvfordogs.html http://www.hundmeister.com/acvbenefit.htm http://www.organic-dog.com/?action=v...c02f4dd66cb025 http://b-naturals.com/product_info.p...2e48a116e26bb3 Pet Care - Daily Health Tonic The minerals, enzymes and acids in unpasteurized apple cider vinegar can supplement your pet's existing diet. It can be added either directly to the dog's food or drinking water. Besides being a good source of easily absorbable potassium, apple cider vinegar aids digestion, inhibits the growth of unfriendly bacteria and helps maintain the proper acid/alkaline balance of the digestive tract. Many holistic Vets recommend a daily dosage of: 1 tsp (5 ml) for cats and small dogs (up to 14 lb) 2 tsp (10 ml) for medium dogs (15 to 34 lb) 1 tbsp (15 ml) for large dogs (35 to 84 lb) __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

08-03-2007, 10:14 AM	#11
yorkieK9trainer YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: North eastern Illinois Suburbs Posts: 1,669	I have kidney stones myself....no fun. IF you want to help balance the PH in her urine, you can give Vitamin C, it's acidic content is better and offers more than just cranberry juice alone will. (you're talking to a girl that used to get uti's every year...yes, the culprit has been found. THANKFULLY) Further, it's difficult and can be costly to find a cranberry juice that is just THAT alone and not all the sugars and preservatives put in it for human consumption. I'd offer up that you just go get plain Vit C tabs and give that to her, her body will dump what it can't/doesn't use because of the nature of this vitamin. That sterile urine catch that vet did should yield you some better insight if either a uti or kidney issue is the culprit for sure! __________________ "Big things come in small packages" http://www.myspace.com/yorkiek9trainer

08-03-2007, 12:53 PM	#12
adiben Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kirkland, wa Posts: 57	Dont have lab test yet Everyone is sending me such great advice. BUT, I still dont know why Diva is bleeding. Dont you think its best to wait for lab results? In the meantime, all I do know is that her urine PH is alkaline so I am running to the health food store tomorrow to buy ACV. In the meantime,she is on this yucky Hills S/D dog food which ismaking her fat. I am tempted to take her off of it but dont know what to replace it with. Vet said only for a week. Should I wait or literally CAN it. And if I CAN it, what do I feed her that is balanced? So confused. Thanks all

08-03-2007, 02:39 PM	#14
Yorkiekids Piper & Sebastian Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: florida Posts: 14,495	I'm sorry I don't know what it could be, but I will send prayers your way. Looking forward to having you back home. __________________ Susan, Piper ,Harley & Suiki