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Old 05-27-2007, 12:57 PM   #1
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About an hour ago, we were outside in the backyard...Winston was running around , stumbled and just fell down...My husband thought at first maybe he hurt his leg or something, I ran to pick him up...he was having a seizure, his little body becomes rigid, shaking, panting, drooling & his eyes seem unfocussed. This is scary business, took him indoors, started right away with the Nutri-Cal and waited...holding him...soothing him...loving him. After about 15-20 minutes, he comes around, gets a little bit stronger, where he can stand up...maybe a little bit clumsy, not running or jumping around like usual, just kind of sulking, with his tail down and his little head drooping. He ate a little dog food and he is now fast asleep by my feet. I still don't understand why this happens to him, he's an 8 pound, 3 year old. He eats great! But if it's not his blood sugar, as my vet says it is...why does he come out of it after Nutri-Cal. I don't know, but something is making his sugar go low, his last seizure was on March 8th and there doesn't seem to be any connection...he'll sometimes have them more frequently and other times it will be months between episodes...I thought I had it all figured out, by feeding more frequent meals, like 4 times a day...but that just seems to be putting more weight on him. This has been going on for about a year, and in this time period he's put on nearly 1 pound. Anybody have any suggestions, if not, we could still use a thought and a prayer. Thanks for listening, I just don't know what else to do...
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We experience seizures of an unknown origin from time to time with my 15 year old beagle mix. Interestingly, he has them less often now then he did when he was younger. The vet was never able to figure out the cause. However, we've never been told low blood sugar and never used Nutrical with him. He always came out of it just fine (your story sounds very much like what we go through). Don't be too hard on yourself, you may never figure out the exact cause.

That being said, my heart goes out to you. It's terrifying to watch them go through this and you feel so helpless the entire time. Not to mention dealing with trying to figure out the cause, etc.

I'm not sure what's going on with your baby, but it sounds like you are doing all the right things. Your keeping your vet informed, etc., yet you may never know. That can be very frustrating!

Hang in there, and good luck to you. Give your baby lots of hugs from all of us, and keep us posted.
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Poor Winston! Maybe you should get a second opinion from another vet. Have they checked bloodwork to come to the low sugar conclusion, or are they just basing that on the info you've given them about his seizures? I know it's scary when you know there is something wrong with your baby and you can't just fix it.
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About an hour ago, we were outside in the backyard...Winston was running around , stumbled and just fell down...My husband thought at first maybe he hurt his leg or something, I ran to pick him up...he was having a seizure, his little body becomes rigid, shaking, panting, drooling & his eyes seem unfocussed. This is scary business, took him indoors, started right away with the Nutri-Cal and waited...holding him...soothing him...loving him. After about 15-20 minutes, he comes around, gets a little bit stronger, where he can stand up...maybe a little bit clumsy, not running or jumping around like usual, just kind of sulking, with his tail down and his little head drooping. He ate a little dog food and he is now fast asleep by my feet. I still don't understand why this happens to him, he's an 8 pound, 3 year old. He eats great! But if it's not his blood sugar, as my vet says it is...why does he come out of it after Nutri-Cal. I don't know, but something is making his sugar go low, his last seizure was on March 8th and there doesn't seem to be any connection...he'll sometimes have them more frequently and other times it will be months between episodes...I thought I had it all figured out, by feeding more frequent meals, like 4 times a day...but that just seems to be putting more weight on him. This has been going on for about a year, and in this time period he's put on nearly 1 pound. Anybody have any suggestions, if not, we could still use a thought and a prayer. Thanks for listening, I just don't know what else to do...

I'm so sorry to hear Winston had another episode. I know how scary seizures are. Jewel used to have them 2-3 times a week when she was at her worst.

Has he been tested for diabetes? I just thought about it because you mentioned his blood sugar. Unfortunately he may just be epiliptic.

There are things you can do to help him incase he has another episode.
Keep an ice pack in the freezer, as soon as he starts to seize, put the ice pack on his lower back - between the last rib and his tail. It helps to keep the internal temp down and seems to shorten the length of the seizure and also the recovery time. Also, give him a small amout of icecream (vanilla) it not only boosts up the sugar level but also aids in cooling him down.

Keep a seizure diary / log and indicate the time it starts and ends along with what he was doing before during and after. It really helped my vet that I kept records of Jewel's episodes.

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My mother-in-law's Pomeranian, Chiquita, suffers from seizures, unknown origin. He just takes medication to control them, and he's doing fine, and doesn't seem to be affected negatively by them. Hope your baby is feeling better.
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Old 05-27-2007, 01:32 PM   #6
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Yes, the low blood sugar has been confirmed by the vet...The 2nd time this happened I took him in during a seizure, at first they thought heat stroke, but the blood test said his glucose was in the 30's...they kept him, pumped him full of IV/glucose, brought it up to the 80's...I had to leave him there all day, 'til he was able to eat, they were afraid the glucose they gave him would make him rebound again...but it stayed level, so they released him to go home...I've always heard hypoglycemia in small dogs, but...he eats, he eats a lot, and yes he runs and plays but not excessively. Has anyone heard that the seizure itself will lower a dogs blood sugar? I keep questioning which comes first...hypoglycemia or seizure. Ideally I'd like to find how to prevent this from happening, I do know they lose brain cells from low blood sugar, oops there goes another brain cell...and I really don't want him to suffer, he needs his brain cells...
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Oh, I almost forgot, thanks for the thoughts, ideas and suggestions, I'll keep them all in mind.
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maybe its a combination of being epileptic and low blood sugar. have you and your vet discussed seizure medication like phenobarbitol ?
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I don't know, I agree to maybe check him for diabetes, maybe something triggers him to produce a large amount of insulin at once. Dan & Corrine had good advice. Good luck. I'm glad the seizures aren't more frequent. He's lucky to have such a caring mom that wants him to be better. Hope you get some answers for Winston soon!!
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Seizures are definitely glucose eaters. Have you considered a neurology consultation? If you are near a veterinary college, maybe you should take him there. I'm fortunate enough to live near Cornell, and it's been a godsend for hard to diagnose ailments.
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Here are some links that might help Winston.

Here is a great website with info on seizures.
http://www.canine-epilepsy-guardian-angels.com/

Make sure to remove as much gluten from the diet. Here is a link on YT about diet and seizures:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sho...hlight=allergy
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I am so sorry to hear about your baby. Icky has suffered with seizures since we adopted him from rescue in Jan 07. After much research and many vets (it took a while to find one who would treat him) we finally have him headed in the right direction. He is taking potassium bromide for seizures. He has low blood sugar and possibly liver issues. Since we have had him on pbr he has not had any grandmal seizures. Check out yahoo groups for liver problems and congenital disease dogs. There is a wealth of information there and a lot of support. The ice bag is a great suggestion. Keep that handy. Only give Bryers all natual ice cream as it has no presertives in it. If you need more support please e mail me @ psvidesigner@verizon.net. It may take a while but keep on searching for a vet who will treat the symptons and the seizures.
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[QUOTE=Gingergirlsmom;1145658]
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Thank you so much for the well wishes, don't worry, Winston's getting plenty of hugs and kisses, and he really seems fine now, it's just so terrifying when it happens, just out of the blue, no rhyme or reason...he just starts to seize. I know I may never find out what if anything brings it on, I'm just concerned that I'm missing something...and I just can't put my finger on it. Thanks again...
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Get well soon, Winston and hope you aren't scared when you have these "unknown attacks". Deborah and Charlie send you and your family good thoughts.
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I want to thank you for thinking about Winston, he is now looking out the window, barking at the neighbor...like nothing at all happened...I'm gonna have to look back and see in previous post what happened to Jewel, I'm sorry for your loss...she was so young. I do think I'll be calling the vet next week for an appt. for a check up, blood work, bile acid test...funny that you mentioned diabetes, cuz I told my husband that in people, diabetes usually follows hypoglycemia, so I'm really watching for signs of that, especially since he's putting on some weight. I do have an ice pack in the freezer at all times, but I didn't know it might help with seizures, thanks for the info...I'd have to syringe feed him the ice cream...when this is happening there is NO WAY that he'll eat, that's why I use the Nutri-Cal(that's what the vet told me to use). And I do definitely keep a log of his seizures, time, activity, food intake and all. Just haven't been able to find anything so far in common each time, other then his oral intake, he always eats the same amount every day.
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