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LaviniaHyacynth · 04-08-2007, 09:19 AM

I agree, have your babies tested for liver shunt....Vivi had a low blood sugar seizure as a puppy....I did not test for bile acids at that time....I convinced myself that it was a glycemic attack and did not need further testing.....Serious denial on my part.....she should have been tested because she does have a liver shunt. When she was a puppy she would have been eligible for LS surgery but because I waited her liver did not develop properly which caused high blood pressure inside her liver and due to this she is ineligible for surgery now. So go ahead and have the test ....the sooner you know the better the outcome. And if it turns out to be nothing then you will have peace of mind. Best of luck and positive wishes are coming your way.

tinksmomok · 04-08-2007, 10:07 AM

I'm so sorry to hear about Lily and the other babies. It is a good idea to check for a liver shunt. I recently experienced a rush to the vet with my two yorkies. First, my little boy started throwing up one night around 11:00 p.m. and didn't stop until about 1:30 a.m. He strained his little tummy and small amounts of blood started coming out. Scared me to death, spoke to er vet and he told me give him a small amount of pepto bismal. So I ran at 2:00 a.m. to Wallyworld (thank goodness for 24hr) and came home and medicated. Later that morning he wouldn't eat, drink, play, he felt so bad. Then later on he ate small bacon bits (salad type) and kicked right up. Then my little girl wouldn't eat or drink. She weights 3 lbs 4 oz. I was in the kitchen and she looked like she stumbled. I thought at first she was just being clutsy on my wood floor. Then she tried going upstairs and fell back, well needless to say I grabbed her up to check her. She seemed ok, but when I sat her down she fell. She had no control. I called er vet again and he said give her honey. I asked if Karo would work and he said he has had better luck with honey. He said watch her an hour and if not better take her to er. After giving her honey she started throwing up, she hadn't before. So I called out the er vet and took both in. Well turns out baby girl has - according to symptons hypoglocemia. We discussed seizures and vet said that "normally" epilepsy is not seen until 6 months to two years. If she was 4 months she wouldn't even be worried, but since she is almost 6 months, I need to start watching. She also stated, keeping the honey on hand if this happens again and just make sure the honey gets in the jaws. The babies have glands on each side for absorption. This will kick them right up if blood sugar is low. With the baby girl only being 3 lb 4 oz. and up and playing that morning without food, she wore herself down and had no reserve to pull from for sugar.

Hope this can help someone else.

Tinksmomok

Booboo'smommy · 04-08-2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lady of Yorkies

It's not liver shunt, they have a specific behavior after eating protein with liver shunt.

Thank you, I will get the ice cream, she may eat that more readily than the baby food chicken.

I do have the NutriCal but she seems to do better with the karo syrup. I keep dry puppy food down all the time but I also feed her baby food chicken. That is all protein. Sylvia

You can't be sure it's not liver shunt. My baby Boo-Boo has liver shunt and he does not have any of the symptons. He will have his surgery in a months time as he needs to put some weight on first. He had 2 seisures in 4 weeks and now he's on a strict regime. Hopefully your baby will be ok. Just get him checked with the vet. I know that buying a new house doesn't leave much money aside for anything, but if this would be me I would make a loan from the bank and have him treated.
I have already spend 3.600 pounds with Boo-Boo and I don't regret a single second spending this money. For me my babies are so important, i would do anything.

Lady of Yorkies · 04-11-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkieluv

Yorkies with liver shunts/mvd do not necessarily show ANY symptoms...So don't think that she can't have a liver shunt simply because she doesn't exhibit that particular behavior. We wanted to have Miko bile acid tested because we had read so much about yorkies having liver shunts, so we made an appt. The weekend before the appt. Miko had a seizure out of the blue had to be taken in to the ER vet and that's how we found out he had a liver shunt...Not because he was exhibiting certain behaviors prior to this.
Praying for your baby!!!

Thank you for this information. The article I read was by a vet and it didn't mention that puppies may not show ANY symptoms. My dogs are from very healthy lines but everyone knows that a throwback can happen anytime. I will have her tested as soon as I can get the money. Thanks again. Sylvia

Lady of Yorkies · 04-11-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wemple2

May I ask what kind of "particular" behavior are you referring to, is it seizures? Maybe I should get Winston checked for liver shunt. After his first seizure they did a blood test for liver function and it was ok...what do you think?

I have been told and read several articles that said LS doen't usually show up before the dog turns 5 years old. I think we have seen enough proof that if this was true, it is no longer. If he is still having seizures, get him tested for your own peace of mind. Sylvia

Lady of Yorkies · 04-11-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wemple2

Just need to know how Lilly is doing, I certainly hope she's doing better, the seizure part is REALLY scary. But if keeping her sugar up, prevents this from happening, then by all means force feed her, several times a day.

Lily is still fighting us but she's acting better. More like a normal puppy, just very skinny. She gets out and plays with the other dogs and I sit and watch her very closely. After she's had enough I make her eat something even tho she seems fine. Then I force feed her again in about 2 hours. Someone suggested using a blender to chop up the dry puppy food. It wasn't explained very well and I assumed she meant into powder. I don't think this would be very easy to swallow from her dish. If I sprinkled it on her wet food then she could eat it but otherwise I think it would be too dry to swallow. I have since thot that maybe what she meant was just to chop it up into smaller bits than what comes out of the package. I haven't tried it yet but I will. I think it might make a difference. Sylvia

Lady of Yorkies · 04-11-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Booboo'smommy

You can't be sure it's not liver shunt. My baby Boo-Boo has liver shunt and he does not have any of the symptons. He will have his surgery in a months time as he needs to put some weight on first. He had 2 seisures in 4 weeks and now he's on a strict regime. Hopefully your baby will be ok. Just get him checked with the vet. I know that buying a new house doesn't leave much money aside for anything, but if this would be me I would make a loan from the bank and have him treated.
I have already spend 3.600 pounds with Boo-Boo and I don't regret a single second spending this money. For me my babies are so important, i would do anything.

Please, please, please, how do you get them to put weight on?!! I have been trying and trying and nothing I do seems to help. For the 2 weeks she was seizure free she started to put on a little padding and now it's all gone again. What are you feeding him? Sylvia

ChubbyTn · 04-11-2007, 11:55 PM

i had a yorkie only 3 months old he's name was teddy the smallest thing ever he had about 5 seizure in one week... 1st time he had one we took him to the er paid about $100 and the doctor didn't tell us anything at that time we didn't know what was going on. we just saw him bump in to thing like he couldn't see where he was going. the doctor just said that maybe he was going blind -_-; later we let the breeder know and she took him to her vet and the vet told her that there was something wrong with his liver after that we couldn't stand seeing him like that so the breeder let us have another yorkie and told us she will try her best with teddy. she said there was a procedure that maybe can be done but it cost $6,ooo and she said she wouldn't recommend it because he was so tiny and young. she's been a breeder for over 15 yrs and never saw that happen to her babies. it broke her heart, broke our hearts too.. it been quite a while and i don't think he made it

Mz_s3ski_Kitt3n · 04-11-2007, 11:58 PM

Awwww !! i'm s0o0o0o sowie to hear that your baby is having problems...our thoughts & prayers are with you & lilly.

Lady of Yorkies · 04-12-2007, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ChubbyTn

i had a yorkie only 3 months old he's name was teddy the smallest thing ever he had about 5 seizure in one week... 1st time he had one we took him to the er paid about $100 and the doctor didn't tell us anything at that time we didn't know what was going on. we just saw him bump in to thing like he couldn't see where he was going. the doctor just said that maybe he was going blind -_-; later we let the breeder know and she took him to her vet and the vet told her that there was something wrong with his liver after that we couldn't stand seeing him like that so the breeder let us have another yorkie and told us she will try her best with teddy. she said there was a procedure that maybe can be done but it cost $6,ooo and she said she wouldn't recommend it because he was so tiny and young. she's been a breeder for over 15 yrs and never saw that happen to her babies. it broke her heart, broke our hearts too.. it been quite a while and i don't think he made it

Oh, I'm so sorry that had to happen. Have you asked about him or have you been too afraid to ask? I know I wouldn't want to know. I'd rather think he was ok than to KNOW he wasn't.

Lily doesn't run into things, once in a while she might stumble when she walks mostly she just starts to lay around and then she won't get up when we call her and if it's really bad, not to long till a seizure she won't respond other than to move her eyes. You can see she's looking around cause the hair on her face is so long that it moves when she moves her eyes. Sylvia

Booboo'smommy · 04-12-2007, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lady of Yorkies

Please, please, please, how do you get them to put weight on?!! I have been trying and trying and nothing I do seems to help. For the 2 weeks she was seizure free she started to put on a little padding and now it's all gone again. What are you feeding him? Sylvia

As I have said, the doctors want him to put weight on but I am not quite sure how he will b/c he is on lactulose as well 4 times a day. That makes him go potty quite often. I am feeding him''ROYAL CANIN'' for hepatic dogs and that seems to do the trick.

Sweetums · 04-12-2007, 07:52 AM

I don't know what lactulose is exactly. All I can offer you is what we did when our baby was such a picky eater (she still is fussy but not to such an extreme degree anymore) and turned her nose up at everything while she was teething. Every four hours, if she refused to eat anything, we would force feed her some of the "mush" recipe a breeder on this forum recommended to someone:

1/2 cup half-and-half (for those in England, that would be 1 part cream to one part milk)
1/2 cup instant baby cereal (rice works best, but we use oatmeal too)
1 entire jar of baby food meat (anything but turkey)
1/2 tsp. karo syrup (any corn syrup will do or pancake syrup if no karo is available)

Warm up the half-and-half and stir in the instant baby cereal until it thickens. Add the baby food meat and corn syrup. Make sure it is cooled to luke warm, then fill up one of those syringes they use to give babies their medication (available at the drugstore) insert it in the corner of your puppy's mouth and gradually squeeze the mush into it's mouth. Our puppy likes it so much now, she will just lick it from the syringe.

If you feed this to your puppy every 2-4 hours, you may be able to add some weight.

xxmxaxrxyxx · 04-12-2007, 08:14 AM

hope she is well...

ChubbyTn · 04-12-2007, 08:19 AM

no we haven't asked about him... the breeder said that she would try to find a family who can deal with him. it was a tough week because each time they have a seizure he'll lose one of hes brain cell so basically by the end of the week he didn't even recongized us it was so sad.

Sweetums · 04-12-2007, 09:43 AM

That's such a sad story. It's a shame that breeders are selling these sick puppies and causing such heartbreak for people.

04-08-2007, 09:19 AM	#16
LaviniaHyacynth Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: montclair,nj Posts: 925	I agree, have your babies tested for liver shunt....Vivi had a low blood sugar seizure as a puppy....I did not test for bile acids at that time....I convinced myself that it was a glycemic attack and did not need further testing.....Serious denial on my part.....she should have been tested because she does have a liver shunt. When she was a puppy she would have been eligible for LS surgery but because I waited her liver did not develop properly which caused high blood pressure inside her liver and due to this she is ineligible for surgery now. So go ahead and have the test ....the sooner you know the better the outcome. And if it turns out to be nothing then you will have peace of mind. Best of luck and positive wishes are coming your way. __________________ Rest in peace my sweet angel dog, Lavinia Hyacynth, Vivi. I love you forever. Bear healed my broken heart!

04-11-2007, 11:55 PM	#23
ChubbyTn Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hayward/Bay Area Posts: 56	i had a yorkie only 3 months old he's name was teddy the smallest thing ever he had about 5 seizure in one week... 1st time he had one we took him to the er paid about $100 and the doctor didn't tell us anything at that time we didn't know what was going on. we just saw him bump in to thing like he couldn't see where he was going. the doctor just said that maybe he was going blind -_-; later we let the breeder know and she took him to her vet and the vet told her that there was something wrong with his liver after that we couldn't stand seeing him like that so the breeder let us have another yorkie and told us she will try her best with teddy. she said there was a procedure that maybe can be done but it cost $6,ooo and she said she wouldn't recommend it because he was so tiny and young. she's been a breeder for over 15 yrs and never saw that happen to her babies. it broke her heart, broke our hearts too.. it been quite a while and i don't think he made it Last edited by ChubbyTn; 04-11-2007 at 11:59 PM.

04-12-2007, 08:14 AM	#28
xxmxaxrxyxx Missing Yoshi Everyday! Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 15,110 Blog Entries: 3	hope she is well... __________________ Yoshi Mei Ling Ting Ting Ting Ki Sun Hye Yukio Kioshi

04-08-2007, 10:07 AM	#17
tinksmomok Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 16	I'm so sorry to hear about Lily and the other babies. It is a good idea to check for a liver shunt. I recently experienced a rush to the vet with my two yorkies. First, my little boy started throwing up one night around 11:00 p.m. and didn't stop until about 1:30 a.m. He strained his little tummy and small amounts of blood started coming out. Scared me to death, spoke to er vet and he told me give him a small amount of pepto bismal. So I ran at 2:00 a.m. to Wallyworld (thank goodness for 24hr) and came home and medicated. Later that morning he wouldn't eat, drink, play, he felt so bad. Then later on he ate small bacon bits (salad type) and kicked right up. Then my little girl wouldn't eat or drink. She weights 3 lbs 4 oz. I was in the kitchen and she looked like she stumbled. I thought at first she was just being clutsy on my wood floor. Then she tried going upstairs and fell back, well needless to say I grabbed her up to check her. She seemed ok, but when I sat her down she fell. She had no control. I called er vet again and he said give her honey. I asked if Karo would work and he said he has had better luck with honey. He said watch her an hour and if not better take her to er. After giving her honey she started throwing up, she hadn't before. So I called out the er vet and took both in. Well turns out baby girl has - according to symptons hypoglocemia. We discussed seizures and vet said that "normally" epilepsy is not seen until 6 months to two years. If she was 4 months she wouldn't even be worried, but since she is almost 6 months, I need to start watching. She also stated, keeping the honey on hand if this happens again and just make sure the honey gets in the jaws. The babies have glands on each side for absorption. This will kick them right up if blood sugar is low. With the baby girl only being 3 lb 4 oz. and up and playing that morning without food, she wore herself down and had no reserve to pull from for sugar. Hope this can help someone else. Tinksmomok

04-11-2007, 11:58 PM	#24
Mz_s3ski_Kitt3n BANNED FOR STEALING YORKIETALK CONTENT! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Residenting in Wichita, Ks / Hometown in Arlington, Tx Posts: 6,704	Awwww !! i'm s0o0o0o sowie to hear that your baby is having problems...our thoughts & prayers are with you & lilly.

04-12-2007, 07:52 AM	#27
Sweetums Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kirkland WA Posts: 431	I don't know what lactulose is exactly. All I can offer you is what we did when our baby was such a picky eater (she still is fussy but not to such an extreme degree anymore) and turned her nose up at everything while she was teething. Every four hours, if she refused to eat anything, we would force feed her some of the "mush" recipe a breeder on this forum recommended to someone: 1/2 cup half-and-half (for those in England, that would be 1 part cream to one part milk) 1/2 cup instant baby cereal (rice works best, but we use oatmeal too) 1 entire jar of baby food meat (anything but turkey) 1/2 tsp. karo syrup (any corn syrup will do or pancake syrup if no karo is available) Warm up the half-and-half and stir in the instant baby cereal until it thickens. Add the baby food meat and corn syrup. Make sure it is cooled to luke warm, then fill up one of those syringes they use to give babies their medication (available at the drugstore) insert it in the corner of your puppy's mouth and gradually squeeze the mush into it's mouth. Our puppy likes it so much now, she will just lick it from the syringe. If you feed this to your puppy every 2-4 hours, you may be able to add some weight.

04-12-2007, 08:19 AM	#29
ChubbyTn Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hayward/Bay Area Posts: 56	no we haven't asked about him... the breeder said that she would try to find a family who can deal with him. it was a tough week because each time they have a seizure he'll lose one of hes brain cell so basically by the end of the week he didn't even recongized us it was so sad.

04-12-2007, 09:43 AM	#30
Sweetums Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kirkland WA Posts: 431	That's such a sad story. It's a shame that breeders are selling these sick puppies and causing such heartbreak for people.