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kami999 · 12-31-2006, 08:44 AM

Thank you everyone for your replies. I did buy the royal canine a day before yesterday, still my miko wont eat. He does not want to touch any kind of food, he only eats when we force feed him. I have been giving him the formula that helped save luna's life since a day before yesterday and still nothing. I just cannot wait until miko at least licks some kind of food or even water. He sleeps almost the entire time and wakes up and throws up mostly with the bile but yesterday there was some food in his vomit. Im not sure how long this will last but I would do anything for him to be healthy, people just dont understand how it is until they experience it. I feel so sorry for everyone that had to go through this and hope it never ever happens again to any of our babies.

livingdustmops · 12-31-2006, 09:34 AM

Has your vet run a bun and a creaton (sp?) level test to see what the kidney and liver are doing? Did your vet say what the food intact should be for a puppy his size? Maybe every 2 hours is to much?

What vaccinations did your pup just have? Did they use Lepto?

Did you put any flea/tick meds on this puppy?

The next question I would have is who is your vet? Patti on here is very aware of Liver Shunt and she has some great vets who are well aware of this birth defect.

http://www.livershunt.com/

I don't mean to scare you but it appears you have tried everything to get this little one to eat. The only other suggestion would be to water down or use broth in the dog food so it is softer as maybe he has teeth problems.

kami999 · 12-31-2006, 10:16 AM

What the vet did is take x-rays and bloodwork. He gave him barium for the x-rays and then told us to come back in 3 hrs and took another xray. He said that the barium moved fine throughout his internal organs and that he didnt see any blockage or anything. He did have lower blood glucose level than normal. He also said to feed him often every 2hours or so little food and nutrical every 4-6hrs. Vaccinations that he has had are: Strongid T 3times, intraatrac III once, Da2pl+pv 2times,da2pl once, bronocochine once, neopar once, and panacur 3 times. His last vaccination was on 12/11/06 of panacur. Before this right when we got him he did have a cold and was on antibiotic azithromycin for about 6 days or so and than was fine, eating and playing, sleeping everything was fine until he stopped eating after 3 days or so after we brought him from the vet. Than he started throwing up bile, and this night I noticed he throws up some of the food we force feed him also. I keep giving him karo or nutrical throughout the time, rub a little bit on his gums in between. The vet also prescribed him amoxicillin and syrup for his tummy, but they dont seem to be helping. I dont know what to do, if I should take him to the Skokie Emergency Clinic or just keep doing what I am doing. I just cant believe that no vet is able to tell me what is wrong with him and cannot help him get better.

livingdustmops · 12-31-2006, 10:55 AM

Azithromycin can cause vomiting in dogs if high doses are given and can cause diarrhea and GI cramping. Azithromycin maybe useful for a variety of infections.

This is out of my veterinary drug handbook published in 2002.

Azoxicillin is used for the treatment of urinary tract, skin and soft tissue infections caused by susceptible organisms.

Panacur is given for parasites in animals as is Strongid T. Some of these other drugs you have listed are not in my handbook so I am not sure why they were prescribed.

mojo · 12-31-2006, 11:11 AM

Did they ever test stool samples? When I got sachi about a year ago, he had coccidia. Wouldnt eat or drink, had to force feed him. Vomited, slept constantly. Once they put him on the medication for the coccidia, he improved rapidly. But it was very tough going for a while there.
Obviously something is wrong with your puppy and if the vet you have currently isnt helping, I would definately consider another vet.
I know this is very scary and I wish you the best!

livingdustmops · 12-31-2006, 11:20 AM

I agree with Mojo and it appears that the meds they are giving are due to this.

You also might want to review vaccinations as I am not sure what puppy vacinations were given...not meds but vacinations.

http://www.thedogplace.org/Projects/...cine,Guide.htm

Lepto is, for a variety of reasons, a vaccine where the risk vs benefit analysis changes tremendously from case to case.

First, lepto vaccine causes more adverse reactions than any other canine vaccine. http://www.caberfeidh.com/Lepto.htm

Lepto vaccines, however, are not recommended unless there is a disease problem in the area. The vaccines help lessen the severity of the disease but do not prevent it (3) and may not be effective for more than six months. Furthermore, puppies and small dogs can have adverse reactions to the vaccines. Therefore, many veterinarians do not recommend inoculation against leptospirosis. However, if a lepto outbreak occurs and veterinarians do recommend vaccination, dogs should be inoculated against all four strains of the disease unless the particular strain is identified. http://www.canismajor.com/dog/disease1.html#Lept

VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED

Multiple components in vaccines compete with each other for the immune system and result in lesser immunity for each individual disease as well as increasing the risk of a reaction. "Canine Corona Virus is only a disease of puppies. It is rare, self limiting (dogs get well in 3 days without treatment). Cornell & TexaA&M have only diagnosed one case each in the last 7 years. Corona virus does not cause disease in adult dogs. "Leptospirosis vaccine is a common cause of adverse reactions in dogs. Most of the clinical cases of lepto reported in dogs in the US are caused by serovaars (or types) grippotyphosa and bratsilvia. The vaccines contain different serovaars eanicola and ictohemorrhagica. Cross protection is not provided and protection is short lived. Lepto vaccine is immuno-supressive to puppies less than 16 weeks. http://www.shalako.com/vaccine.htm

rugersmom · 12-31-2006, 02:50 PM

When Ruger was sick i was force feeding him with the food they said to give him and he hated it. I tried mixing it with other things and he still wouldn't eat. He too slept all day vomitted the bile and his sugar levels went down. Finally i just gave him chicken baby food and he seemed to eat a little of it off my finger. he ended up having to stay in the vet for a long time, but even for them he would only eat baby food. Have them do a stool sample and check for parasites, stress can trigger giardia. I also was told it is important to keep themn warm. the vet told me not to use a heating pad becasue it is a dry heat and can cause dehydration, she had me take a water bottle and warm it up and then put it in a towel next to him, he really liked it. Hope your little guy is feeling better.

rachelsyorkie · 12-31-2006, 10:06 PM

I bought a pup from petland years ago & after a month & a half of very strange behavior I forced them to give my money & take the pup back. It was heart breaking because we had fallin in love w/the pup & wasnt sure what would happen to it. But it was alot of money & had obvious behavior problems that i believe had to do with imbreeding. It is alittle different then your situation but you have to think how much time will go by before you will expect petland to take responsibility for selling you a sick pup. They are responsible for the vet bills you have so far right? I had to realize I wasnt willing to let the dog I got turn our lives upside down, because its not only my life but my husband & childrens. They also never found anything physically wrong w/the dog I got. I would never buy from them again unless it was thru their hunt co. Never from any local breeders papered or not. keep us posted.

kami999 · 12-31-2006, 10:16 PM

Yes they did check for parasites and it turned out he does not have it. Everything that I am reading points to dehydration, because I recently even bought a heating pad because I read that it is the best to keep him warm, if I knew about the warm bottle I wouldnt make the mistake of using the heating pad. How did your pup do after that harsh time of not eating and vomiting did he pull through fine? How long did it have to stay at the vet, and also on Ivs?

Sweetums · 12-31-2006, 10:27 PM

kami,

Our puppy was sick for about a week after being given her second round of shots. She threw up (and sneezed a lot due to the bordatella immunization), but Gerber's strained baby meats saved us. She loves the turkey and will eat it every two hours. We slowly weaned her off of it, and so far she is doing well on a high quality canned dog food. See if you can get mikko to eat baby food meats.

I know how rough this is for you. We were worried sick ourselves over our baby. It's so hard to watch them lose their playfulness and become lethargic and throw up.

Prayers to you and your baby. When she gets better, this will all just be a distant memory for you.

rugersmom · 01-01-2007, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kami999

Yes they did check for parasites and it turned out he does not have it. Everything that I am reading points to dehydration, because I recently even bought a heating pad because I read that it is the best to keep him warm, if I knew about the warm bottle I wouldnt make the mistake of using the heating pad. How did your pup do after that harsh time of not eating and vomiting did he pull through fine? How long did it have to stay at the vet, and also on Ivs?

Ruger was on Iv fluids and stayed at the vet for nine days, it was awful. His sugar level got down to 13 at one point and he was seizing. Once the giardia was detected which was causing him to vomit and he got on medicine he came back around. he is now doing great and is all puppy, but it was tuch and go for awhile. I was giving him karo syrup and water through a syringe, but he eventually needed fluids from an IV, if he still isn't doing well i would take him to the vet, if you wait too long and their sugar levels drop they can go very fast.

12-31-2006, 09:34 AM	#17
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	Has your vet run a bun and a creaton (sp?) level test to see what the kidney and liver are doing? Did your vet say what the food intact should be for a puppy his size? Maybe every 2 hours is to much? What vaccinations did your pup just have? Did they use Lepto? Did you put any flea/tick meds on this puppy? The next question I would have is who is your vet? Patti on here is very aware of Liver Shunt and she has some great vets who are well aware of this birth defect. http://www.livershunt.com/ I don't mean to scare you but it appears you have tried everything to get this little one to eat. The only other suggestion would be to water down or use broth in the dog food so it is softer as maybe he has teeth problems. __________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products!

12-31-2006, 10:55 AM	#19
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	Azithromycin can cause vomiting in dogs if high doses are given and can cause diarrhea and GI cramping. Azithromycin maybe useful for a variety of infections. This is out of my veterinary drug handbook published in 2002. Azoxicillin is used for the treatment of urinary tract, skin and soft tissue infections caused by susceptible organisms. Panacur is given for parasites in animals as is Strongid T. Some of these other drugs you have listed are not in my handbook so I am not sure why they were prescribed. __________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products!

12-31-2006, 11:20 AM	#21
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	I agree with Mojo and it appears that the meds they are giving are due to this. You also might want to review vaccinations as I am not sure what puppy vacinations were given...not meds but vacinations. http://www.thedogplace.org/Projects/...cine,Guide.htm Lepto is, for a variety of reasons, a vaccine where the risk vs benefit analysis changes tremendously from case to case. First, lepto vaccine causes more adverse reactions than any other canine vaccine. http://www.caberfeidh.com/Lepto.htm Lepto vaccines, however, are not recommended unless there is a disease problem in the area. The vaccines help lessen the severity of the disease but do not prevent it (3) and may not be effective for more than six months. Furthermore, puppies and small dogs can have adverse reactions to the vaccines. Therefore, many veterinarians do not recommend inoculation against leptospirosis. However, if a lepto outbreak occurs and veterinarians do recommend vaccination, dogs should be inoculated against all four strains of the disease unless the particular strain is identified. http://www.canismajor.com/dog/disease1.html#Lept VACCINATIONS NOT RECOMMENDED Multiple components in vaccines compete with each other for the immune system and result in lesser immunity for each individual disease as well as increasing the risk of a reaction. "Canine Corona Virus is only a disease of puppies. It is rare, self limiting (dogs get well in 3 days without treatment). Cornell & TexaA&M have only diagnosed one case each in the last 7 years. Corona virus does not cause disease in adult dogs. "Leptospirosis vaccine is a common cause of adverse reactions in dogs. Most of the clinical cases of lepto reported in dogs in the US are caused by serovaars (or types) grippotyphosa and bratsilvia. The vaccines contain different serovaars eanicola and ictohemorrhagica. Cross protection is not provided and protection is short lived. Lepto vaccine is immuno-supressive to puppies less than 16 weeks. http://www.shalako.com/vaccine.htm __________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products!

12-31-2006, 08:44 AM	#16
kami999 BANNED! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Norridge, Illinois Posts: 50	Thank you everyone for your replies. I did buy the royal canine a day before yesterday, still my miko wont eat. He does not want to touch any kind of food, he only eats when we force feed him. I have been giving him the formula that helped save luna's life since a day before yesterday and still nothing. I just cannot wait until miko at least licks some kind of food or even water. He sleeps almost the entire time and wakes up and throws up mostly with the bile but yesterday there was some food in his vomit. Im not sure how long this will last but I would do anything for him to be healthy, people just dont understand how it is until they experience it. I feel so sorry for everyone that had to go through this and hope it never ever happens again to any of our babies.

12-31-2006, 10:16 AM	#18
kami999 BANNED! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Norridge, Illinois Posts: 50	What the vet did is take x-rays and bloodwork. He gave him barium for the x-rays and then told us to come back in 3 hrs and took another xray. He said that the barium moved fine throughout his internal organs and that he didnt see any blockage or anything. He did have lower blood glucose level than normal. He also said to feed him often every 2hours or so little food and nutrical every 4-6hrs. Vaccinations that he has had are: Strongid T 3times, intraatrac III once, Da2pl+pv 2times,da2pl once, bronocochine once, neopar once, and panacur 3 times. His last vaccination was on 12/11/06 of panacur. Before this right when we got him he did have a cold and was on antibiotic azithromycin for about 6 days or so and than was fine, eating and playing, sleeping everything was fine until he stopped eating after 3 days or so after we brought him from the vet. Than he started throwing up bile, and this night I noticed he throws up some of the food we force feed him also. I keep giving him karo or nutrical throughout the time, rub a little bit on his gums in between. The vet also prescribed him amoxicillin and syrup for his tummy, but they dont seem to be helping. I dont know what to do, if I should take him to the Skokie Emergency Clinic or just keep doing what I am doing. I just cant believe that no vet is able to tell me what is wrong with him and cannot help him get better.

12-31-2006, 11:11 AM	#20
mojo Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Here, there Posts: 2,693	Did they ever test stool samples? When I got sachi about a year ago, he had coccidia. Wouldnt eat or drink, had to force feed him. Vomited, slept constantly. Once they put him on the medication for the coccidia, he improved rapidly. But it was very tough going for a while there. Obviously something is wrong with your puppy and if the vet you have currently isnt helping, I would definately consider another vet. I know this is very scary and I wish you the best!

12-31-2006, 02:50 PM	#22
rugersmom Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: california Posts: 19	When Ruger was sick i was force feeding him with the food they said to give him and he hated it. I tried mixing it with other things and he still wouldn't eat. He too slept all day vomitted the bile and his sugar levels went down. Finally i just gave him chicken baby food and he seemed to eat a little of it off my finger. he ended up having to stay in the vet for a long time, but even for them he would only eat baby food. Have them do a stool sample and check for parasites, stress can trigger giardia. I also was told it is important to keep themn warm. the vet told me not to use a heating pad becasue it is a dry heat and can cause dehydration, she had me take a water bottle and warm it up and then put it in a towel next to him, he really liked it. Hope your little guy is feeling better.

12-31-2006, 10:06 PM	#23
rachelsyorkie Rachel & Tilula Belle Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Southern Ohio Posts: 1,162	I bought a pup from petland years ago & after a month & a half of very strange behavior I forced them to give my money & take the pup back. It was heart breaking because we had fallin in love w/the pup & wasnt sure what would happen to it. But it was alot of money & had obvious behavior problems that i believe had to do with imbreeding. It is alittle different then your situation but you have to think how much time will go by before you will expect petland to take responsibility for selling you a sick pup. They are responsible for the vet bills you have so far right? I had to realize I wasnt willing to let the dog I got turn our lives upside down, because its not only my life but my husband & childrens. They also never found anything physically wrong w/the dog I got. I would never buy from them again unless it was thru their hunt co. Never from any local breeders papered or not. keep us posted.

12-31-2006, 10:16 PM	#24
kami999 BANNED! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Norridge, Illinois Posts: 50	Yes they did check for parasites and it turned out he does not have it. Everything that I am reading points to dehydration, because I recently even bought a heating pad because I read that it is the best to keep him warm, if I knew about the warm bottle I wouldnt make the mistake of using the heating pad. How did your pup do after that harsh time of not eating and vomiting did he pull through fine? How long did it have to stay at the vet, and also on Ivs?

12-31-2006, 10:27 PM	#25
Sweetums Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kirkland WA Posts: 431	kami, Our puppy was sick for about a week after being given her second round of shots. She threw up (and sneezed a lot due to the bordatella immunization), but Gerber's strained baby meats saved us. She loves the turkey and will eat it every two hours. We slowly weaned her off of it, and so far she is doing well on a high quality canned dog food. See if you can get mikko to eat baby food meats. I know how rough this is for you. We were worried sick ourselves over our baby. It's so hard to watch them lose their playfulness and become lethargic and throw up. Prayers to you and your baby. When she gets better, this will all just be a distant memory for you.