Here is some info I found I hope it helps!

A poison is any substance harmful to the body. Animal baits are palatable poisons that encourage ingestion. This makes them an obvious choice for intentional poisoning.

Dogs are curious by nature and have a tendency to hunt small game, or explore out-of-the-way places such as woodpiles, weed thickets and storage ports. This puts them into contact with insects, dead animals and toxic plants. It also means that in many cases of suspected poisoning the actual agent will be unknown. The great variety of potentially poisonous plants and shrubs makes identification difficult or impossible unless the owner has direct knowledge that the dog has eaten a certain plant or product. Most cases suspected of being malicious poisoning actually are not.

In some types of vegetation, only certain parts of the plant are toxic. In others, all parts are poisonous. Ingestion causes a wide range of symptoms. They include mouth irritation, drooling, vomiting, diarrhea, hallucination, seizures, coma and death. Other plant substances cause skin rash. Some toxic plants have specific pharmacological actions that are used in medicines.

Poison Control Centers are located throughout the United States and Canada. All available information on the toxic ingredients in thousands of medicines, insecticides, pesticides and other registered commercial products has been placed confidentially in the centers by the government in these Poison Control Centers. It is estimated that 1,500 new items are added each month. The local Poison Control Center's telephone number is listed in the front of most telephone directories. Alternately, you can call the emergency room of your local hospital and ask them to request the information that you require.

The first step in treatment is to eliminate the poison from your dog's stomach by making it vomit. The second step is to delay absorption of the poison from the dog's intestinal tract by coating it with a substance that binds it. This is followed by a laxative to speed elimination.

Note: Do not induce vomiting or give charcoal by mouth if your dog is severely depressed, comatose, unable to swallow or experiencing seizures. Before proceeding, consult Vomiting, How to Induce in this chapter.

How to Delay or Prevent Absorption

1.Mix activated charcoal (one tablet to 10-cc water). Give one teaspoonful per two pounds body weight and follow with a pint of water. Depending upon the dog's condition, this may need to be given by stomach tube. Veterinary assistance usually is required.

2. Thirty minutes later, give sodium sulphate (Glauber's salt), one teaspoonful per ten pounds body weight, or Milk of Magnesia, one teaspoonful per five pounds body weight.

Note:If these agents are not available, coat the bowel with milk, egg whites or vegetable oil and give a warm water enema.

If your dog has a poisonous substance on the skin or coat, wash it well with soap and water or give a complete bath in lukewarm (not cold) water, as described in the SKIN chapter. Even if the substance is not irritating to the skin, it should be removed. Otherwise, the dog may lick it off and swallow it. Soak gasoline and oil stains with mineral or vegetable oil. Work in well. Then wash with a mild detergent, such as Ivory soap.

When signs of nervous system involvement begin to show, the dog is in deep trouble. At this point, your main objective is to get your dog to a veterinarian as quickly as possible. Try to bring with you a sample of vomitus, or better yet the poison in its original container. If the dog is convulsing, unconscious or not breathing, see Shock and Artificial Respiration. (Also see NERVOUS SYSTEM:Fits).

The poisons discussed below are included because they are among the most frequently seen by veterinarians. Strychnine - Strychnine is used as a rat, mouse and mole poison. It is available commercially as coated pellets dyed purple, red or green. Signs of poisoning are so typical that the diagnosis can be made almost at once. Onset is sudden (less than two hours). The first signs are agitation, excitability and apprehension. They are followed rather quickly by intensely painful tetanic seizures that last about sixty seconds, during which the dog throws the head back, can't breathe and turns blue. The slightest stimulation, such as tapping the dog or clapping the hands, starts a seizure. This characteristic response is used to make the diagnosis. Other signs associated with nervous system involvement are tremors, champing, drooling, uncoordinated muscle spasms, collapse and paddling of the legs.

Seizures caused by strychnine and other central nervous system toxins sometimes are misdiagnosed as epilepsy. This would be a mistake as immediate veterinary attention is necessary. Epileptic seizures are self-limited; the signs usually appear in a certain order, and each attack is the same. They are over before the dog can get to a veterinarian. Usually they are not considered emergencies (see NERVOUS SYSTEM: Epilepsy).

Treatment: With signs of central nervous involvement, don't take time to induce vomiting. It is important to avoid loud noises or unnecessary handling that trigger a seizure. Cover your dog with a coat or blanket and drive to the nearest veterinary clinic.

If your dog is showing signs of poisoning, is alert and able to swallow and hasn't vomited, induce vomiting as discussed above.



Sodium Fluroacetate (1080)

This chemical, used as a rat poison, is mixed with cereal, bran and other rat feeds. It is so potent that cats and dogs can be poisoned just by eating the dead rodent. The onset is sudden and begins with vomiting followed by excitation, straining to urinate or defecate, an aimless staggering gait, atypical fits or true convulsions and then collapse. Seizures are not triggered by external stimuli as are those of strychnine poisoning.

Treatment: Immediately after the dog ingests the poison, induce vomiting. Care and handling is the same as for strychnine.

Arsenic

Arsenic is combined with metaldehyde in slug and snail baits, and may appear in ant poisons, weed killers and insecticides. Arsenic is also a common Impurity found in many chemicals. Death can occur quickly before there is time to observe the symptoms. In more protracted cases the signs are thirst, drooling, vomiting, staggering, intense abdominal pain, cramps, diarrhea, paralysis and death. The breath of the dog will have a strong smell of garlic.

Treatment: Induce vomiting. A specific antidote is available but requires professional use. Metaldehyde - This poison (often combined with arsenic) is used commonly in rat, snail and slug baits. The signs of toxicity are excitation, drooling and slobbering, uncoordinated gait, muscle tremors and weakness that leads to inability to stand in a few hours. The tremors are not triggered by external stimuli.

Treatment: Immediately after the dog ingests the poison, induce vomiting. The care and handling are the same as for strychnine.

Lead

Lead is found in insecticides and is a base for many paints used commercially. Intoxication occurs primarily in puppies and young dogs that chew on substances coated with a lead paint. Other sources of lead are linoleum, batteries, plumbing materials, putty, lead foil, solder, golf balls and some roofing materials. Lead poisoning can occur in older dogs after ingestion of insecticides containing lead. A chronic form does occur.

Acute poisoning begins with abdominal colic and vomiting. A variety of central nervous system signs are possible. They include fits, uncoordinated gait, excitation, continuous barking, attacks of hysteria, weakness, stupor and blindness. Chewing and champing fits might be mistaken for the encephalitis of distemper, especially in young dogs.

Treatment: When ingestion is recent, induce vomiting. Otherwise, coat the bowel as described above. Specific antidotes are available through your veterinarian.

Phosphorus

This chemical is present in rat and roach poisons, fireworks, matches and matchboxes. A poisoned dog's breath may have a garlic odor. The first signs of intoxication are vomiting and diarrhea. They may be followed by a free interval, then by recurrent vomiting, cramps, and pain in the abdomen, convulsions and coma. There is no specific antidote. Treat as you would for strychnine.

Zinc Phosphide

This substance also is found in rat poisons. Intoxication causes central nervous system depression, labored breathing, vomiting (often of blood), weakness, convulsions and death. There is no specific antidote. Treat as you would for strychnine

YOU ROCK and I sent you the information....Thank you so much :)

I feel so sick with worry too! Gucci and Marie's all I've been able to think about! I just hope and pray that Gucci didn't swallow any of that stuff! I'll donate to paypal...Villette...please send me the papal addy!!!

Girl...you are just the BEST. I wrote you and wrote Marie...She's so worried she can barely type

gosh this is so scary! My heart is in my throat. I want to send her a donation so bad! But we just don't have the extra money right now! This sucks! I have been worried all night! I hope that he is fine and that he didn't get any. Those poisons are so toxic! I am just so Pissed that these vets won't do something! Not everything in life is about money!

Ah I'm so worried!!! I wish I could help more, but Villette, please keep us updated. Should I/someone make a post asking for help through paypal for Marie? I don't know what else to do

I am soo upset, they can put you in jail for neglecting your animal , but Vets can turn you away...UNBELIEVABLE ! Can we all pitch in ????? I am willing !

What a good point and I SO AGREE :mad: Unreal isn't it that they would turn away a dog they COULD SAVE....

It's all about the money these days.

You guys are so awesome...I want to thank everyone who pm'd me....

The good news is They are at the VET...She found one that told her to get Gucci there NOW or she could die. So with everyones help...at least she has a chance because it did sound like Gucci did eat some of that poison...Marie took the poison AND Guccis poop so they know what they're dealing with...

the BEST outcome would be they will be able to treat her to prevent her from the damage it may do.

I am SO glad that she found a vet with a real HEART for animals! I agree! I can't believe that they can throw you in jail for not caring for your pet, but they can turn you away! Thats bull! Anyway, I wish I could contribute something here! I guess my prayers are going to be all I can give for now. And we will keep them coming!

*sigh* I know this isn't over yet, but it's good to know they are at the vet. I hope everything is okay!!!! We're praying for you Marie & Gucci!!!

The same thing happened to my 20 lb. bichon/poodle cross last winter. My husband left a block in the storage room and sure enought Winni got it. He bit into it but didn't ingest too much because i caught him in time and was able to piece the poison block together to see that he didn't, but he still ingested some. I did end up calling that poison control # and they charged $50 dollars to my credit card but the info they gave me was INVALUABLE. They had me get the info off the box..asked me all sorts of questions about how much he ingested and then gave me great advice. They said to give him one to two table or teaspoons, I can't remember how much...and it would induce vomiting. Within minutes he had vomited twice. It as awful but to be honest the small amount he ingested didn't get into his bloodstream because we made him vomit in time. I know people have been complaining about the $50 donation to these animal poison places but IMHO it's worth every cent. They saved Winni's life late on a Sat. night when we were miles away from a vet (we were up at out lake house in norther new hampshire when it happened in the middle of nowhere). As a matter of fact this past winter I called them to make a donation to their organization. The hotline is staffed by professionals and there is a vet on call that they relay all the info to and he/she gives her advice. Praying for that little furbaby and hoping it's okay. The problem is with some of those bait blocks the damage happens days later..they were desigened that way. Oh god praying!!! Hope there's something that can be done. Take Care

WOW....This is the kind of thing I was trying to find out last night...thank you for sharing that....it makes sense and in these kinds of cases yes - that would be a well spent 50 bucks....

and you're right - what's scary is Gucci's symptoms would be showing for day or 2 if she didn't get treated....so now we have to pray this vet can save her

wait...the ASPCA turned her away? or they just couldn't help her?

if I was a vet....I wouldn't even think about the money at first. If someone has a sick animal, TREAT the animal FIRST for that is more imporant! Then worry about the money later, once every one has calmed down! gosh.....


EDIT: just read that they're at the vet now. I'm so glad, and God bless that vet for seeing her.

Thanks Connie for linking this over. Where the heck have Iv'e been????
We will keep Gucci in our Thoughts & Prayers.
Oh my, I hope she's going to be OK. I'm so glad she's at a Vet now.
How could someone turn her away, that's just not right!!!!
Hang in there Marie, we are here with you! Gucci is getting the care she needs now. Please let me know what I can do to help. I hope there's some newes soon, It's going to be another sleepless night around YT.
Hugs to all. :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

thanks Heather...prayers are GOOD ! Thank you ....and hopefully we'll hear something soon.....

and Megan - the Humane Society doesn't do this kind of thing...nor the ASPCA. BUT...the ER Vet she went to last night DID turn her away for lack of money :mad:

On pins and needles here waiting for word on Gucci!

I also think that $50 for help from that poison control place is money well spent, but can they not make an exception for someone who doesn't have the money? Good grief! There are always exceptions to the rules and I would think this should have been one of those times that the rules were broken!

It is times like this that I lose faith in mankind, yet on the other hand, regain that loss by the outpouring of love from everyone on YT!

We love you, Marie and Gucci!!!

PERECTLY SAID ! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: I totally agree on ALL points you just made...I was upset last night because they turned her away...but after talking to you guys and us all pitching in....I'm feelin the love again :)

and Marie...You are NOT ALONE in this girl....Hang in there ok ?... and post when you can (or call me!!)

omg please keep us posted i keep checking back on this... i can't imagine good luck and prayers are with you~

Me too...she's been gone a long time... :(

Awww Poor thing I sure hope all is well and her baby is ok. I will keep them in my prayers.

Years ago I was turned a way from the vet too. because I did not have full paymenat. My Doberman died of a heart attack and my pug lost his eye. Its very sad these vets wont take payment plan and can turn you away. Ifthey would of took my pug in in time they could of saved the eye instead they left me standing at the door. I will never go to that vet again.

Well..that would be difficult to control. How would they be able to screen who could and couldn't afford the money over the phone. When i questioned it they said the service was available because of the money they charged. I can't imagine going through what I did w/out this service. Like i posted previously we were MANY miles away from any kind of help and this service basically saved my Winni's life. Let's try not to knock what they do. They are not in the business of ripping people off and making money, they are in the business of helping you in times of stress..and part of that includes money for them to be able to run their business.

I have no clue how i missed this thread. I wouldn't have seen it if it weren't for the post on general discussion, so thanks to the person who did that. I feel really bad for Marie and Gucci and I am praying it all turns out ok. I would like to donate to help with the costs as well....

I want to thank everyone that has donated for Gucci's care and for all your prayers. Gucci is sleeping now, but she seems nervous and she is a bit woobly(sp?) when she tries to walk. She also vomited the charcoal when we got home. The vet told me that it was best if I would have bring her in yersterday and that he did all he could. He did the charcoal thing and gave her two injections. He also prescribed 1/2 Vitamin K tablet once a day for 30 days and she needs to go back in 3 weeks to do a PT test(clotting factor test). Im so nervous because when I left this morning she was playing and now she can't even walk straight. The vet said to keep her calm and check her poop and urine for any signs of bleeding. He is hoping that since she is young she will get better. But now all I can do is wait and pray for my little girl. I don't know If I can handle if we loose her. I keep checking on her every few mins. I dont know if I can sleep tonite. Im calling my reg vet tomorrow also.

There was another couple there that their french bull dog had also ingested rat poison today. Her prognosis is better than Gucci's cause she ingested some today and they took her in rite away.

Gucci's regular vet is in the Bergh Memorial Hosp in the ASPCA, but they closed at 4 on Sat and are closed on Sun. When I called them yesterday they recomended the AMC ER hosp, and they refuse to see Gucci. There are only 2 clinics that I know that are open 24 hours for ER, and both demand payment before treatment. This morning I was going to take her to the Humane Society cause a vet over the phone told me to try them. I called the Humane Society this morning to make sure they were open, and the first thing i was told was that they see pts by appts only. I told them it was an Emergency cause my baby had ingested a poison to what they told me thay dont treat that and refered me to the same clinic that denied Gucci treatment yesterday. I kept calling all vets that were open today until I found the vet that saw Gucci today, they are my angels.

Once again, Thank you for your prayers and donations. You all are my heroes and I dont even know how to pay you all back, but I will somehow. I will have you all in my prayers.


Xtine, Im so sorry that Cloey is sick and was also denied care. I will have you both in my prayers. I hope she gets better soon. PLease keep us posted.

I JUST read this and I hope everything is ok with Gucci!! Keep us updated whenever you get a chance! BIG PRAYERS sent your way!!

Villette, can you call Marie and ask her to have her vet call me? I will put as much of the bill as I can on my charge card. I sold my 2 standard color puppies yesterday and I feel God directs me to help with that money..I am home and will help any way I can!!
I lost a little rescued German Shepherd Dog to a poisoned rat years ago, and I remember how kind my landlord was to me.. I will return the favor..
So, PLEASE, get in touch if I can help....
Prayers are coming your way...
BTW, you can give them my phone number...

whispersmom2 that is so awesome of you. i wish i could do more, but marie i'm so glad you got some help, and i hope gucci will be okay. you are both in my prayers, she will get better soon! keep us updated.

Marie...Thanks for the update and we will all be pulling for Gucci...You have some great friends here that's for sure....I want to say thanks to ALL who helped and those that are keeping her in their prayers....I really saw some big hearts ...and she needs those prayers.

I still can't believe they turned her away last night...they could have at least induced vomiting to give her a head start on getting it out of her system.. :( but now we can just keep thinking positive thoughts for you Marie...It sounds like the Vet did all the right things for you. GET WELL GUCCI !! and Marie ...please keep us posted ok girl ?

and Rini...you\'re so awesome ...that was so nice....Mike ..Alaskadad also offered to help this way and wow - this is such a nice gesture of you both.

Marie, I am praying for your baby.