Puppy fell from my arms about 6 ft on to wood floor!

[imdll]

Originally Posted by chachi

people dont get offended when people on here dont take their advice, sometimes they just get frustrated because it is just common sense. Like when a pup has been droped 6 ft maybe a vet visit is needed

Common sense is a combination of knowledge and experience and isn't nearly as common as the title would lead one to believe. Common sense could also be used when dealing with people who are here talking about a stressful event and who may not have the same knowledge and experience as we have.

I have watched on several occasions when some members of YT have gotten offended, or whatever description one would like to use, because a newcomer didn’t take advice given or did something that some members didn’t agree with. I have also watched while people were “chased off” just like what magicgenie says she has seen over the years she has been here. Frustrated or offended it doesn’t give anyone the right to treat people the way I and others have seen people treated by some members here.

Anytime someone tries to confront the antagonistic attacks on another member they in turn find themselves under similar condemnation. Some of what goes on is very similar to bullying tactics and I am not the only one who finds it offensive.

It’s not just a matter of differences of opinion it is about not caring about the consequences of what is said nor how driving people away affects YT or the dogs we all say we care about. If someone genuinely cares about the dogs involved in a given situation how does driving their owner away show that to be actually true?

The if you can’t take it then lump it mentality, or if you don’t like it hit the ignore button does not benefit the YT environment and seems to be rather one sided because when the tables get turned those who supposedly aren’t offended by the new member not taking their advice and who went on the attack are awfully quick to defend themselves even if their names aren’t mentioned. Kind of a they can dish it out but aren’t interested in their own medicine sort of scenario.

If we take the focus off ourselves and put it on what would genuinely benefit the dog or dogs we are concerned about, I suspect some of us might handle these sorts of situations differently.

[lvtyorkie]

Originally Posted by imdll

Common sense is a combination of knowledge and experience and isn't nearly as common as the title would lead one to believe. Common sense could also be used when dealing with people who are here talking about a stressful event and who may not have the same knowledge and experience as we have.

I have watched on several occasions when some members of YT have gotten offended, or whatever description one would like to use, because a newcomer didn’t take advice given or did something that some members didn’t agree with. I have also watched while people were “chased off” just like what magicgenie says she has seen over the years she has been here. Frustrated or offended it doesn’t give anyone the right to treat people the way I and others have seen people treated by some members here.

Anytime someone tries to confront the antagonistic attacks on another member they in turn find themselves under similar condemnation. Some of what goes on is very similar to bullying tactics and I am not the only one who finds it offensive.

It’s not just a matter of differences of opinion it is about not caring about the consequences of what is said nor how driving people away affects YT or the dogs we all say we care about. If someone genuinely cares about the dogs involved in a given situation how does driving their owner away show that to be actually true?

The if you can’t take it then lump it mentality, or if you don’t like it hit the ignore button does not benefit the YT environment and seems to be rather one sided because when the tables get turned those who supposedly aren’t offended by the new member not taking their advice and who went on the attack are awfully quick to defend themselves even if their names aren’t mentioned. Kind of a they can dish it out but aren’t interested in their own medicine sort of scenario.

If we take the focus off ourselves and put it on what would genuinely benefit the dog or dogs we are concerned about, I suspect some of us might handle these sorts of situations differently.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by imdll

Common sense is a combination of knowledge and experience and isn't nearly as common as the title would lead one to believe. Common sense could also be used when dealing with people who are here talking about a stressful event and who may not have the same knowledge and experience as we have.

I have watched on several occasions when some members of YT have gotten offended, or whatever description one would like to use, because a newcomer didn’t take advice given or did something that some members didn’t agree with. I have also watched while people were “chased off” just like what magicgenie says she has seen over the years she has been here. Frustrated or offended it doesn’t give anyone the right to treat people the way I and others have seen people treated by some members here.

Anytime someone tries to confront the antagonistic attacks on another member they in turn find themselves under similar condemnation. Some of what goes on is very similar to bullying tactics and I am not the only one who finds it offensive.

It’s not just a matter of differences of opinion it is about not caring about the consequences of what is said nor how driving people away affects YT or the dogs we all say we care about. If someone genuinely cares about the dogs involved in a given situation how does driving their owner away show that to be actually true?

The if you can’t take it then lump it mentality, or if you don’t like it hit the ignore button does not benefit the YT environment and seems to be rather one sided because when the tables get turned those who supposedly aren’t offended by the new member not taking their advice and who went on the attack are awfully quick to defend themselves even if their names aren’t mentioned. Kind of a they can dish it out but aren’t interested in their own medicine sort of scenario.

If we take the focus off ourselves and put it on what would genuinely benefit the dog or dogs we are concerned about, I suspect some of us might handle these sorts of situations differently.

Its all a matter of opinion and there are many on here with different posting styles

[impish]

Thanks for another great post. You are not alone. I second the bravo.

Originally Posted by imdll

Well done! Some of you may have managed to drive off yet another potential member of YT. Bravo, you should all be so very pleased with yourselves!

You claim to be concerned about dogs but your actions would seem to indicate that all you want is to spout off like a bunch of school children with little regard for any consequences. If you were truly concerned about dogs then I would think you would want to create a place where new members can learn from those here willing to help. Instead you figure the best move is to drive people away, because that’s how “big girls” handle things right? Wow, that’s an amazing way to help dogs and show your concern. I know I’m certainly impressed and I’m sure the dogs belonging to all the owners that have been driven off in the past have greatly benefited from your actions and feel of your passion and concern for them.

There were comments on this thread about how there should be stricter animal welfare laws and that some people shouldn’t be allowed to have dogs. . . Being naive is not a crime and the OP spoke with a Vet. You can hardly fault her for misplacing her trust in her Vet’s advice since she apparently misplaced her trust in how she would be treated here too. You judge her because she didn’t take the advice of some of those who posted here? Why should she trust you over her Vet? What have you done to show that you are worthy of her trust and that your judgement is sound? Who are you to her other than a bunch of loud mouths who jumped all over her?

The OP opened the door for a relationship to be forged with members of YT, but because she did not handle things the way some figured she should they jumped all over her. The OP opened the door and some of you slammed it in her face and now you want to justify it? Give your heads a shake!

You cannot reasonably expect everyone to take your advice and you don't need to jump up and down and throw a temper tantrum and get ugly everytime someone doesn't take your advice and chooses another direction. The OP still has the right to make their own decision.

Yes this is a public board and as a member of the public I and others are telling you that you don’t speak for the rest of us and we don’t appreciate this school yard behaviour

[lillymae]

Wow, I'm not here to argue but would just like to point out that the OP left a long time ago & I'm guessing will most likely not return. Soooo my question is , Did we help the owner or most importantly the Pup ? Probably not. If someone intimidates you, or just makes you feel plain stupid, do you go back for more ? usually not. I personally could not care less how smart or not a person is as my main concern is the animal. Your pets are like children as far as how smart they are & can only be as smart as we teach them to be. Some people just don't get the teaching as children . I for one fully believe that it's never too late to learn new things & I believe for the most part , that's why most people join a forum such as YT. Now, if they are scared away have they learned anything & are they or their pup better off ? I believe no. Maybe before posting instead of doing it in the heat of the moment, if we post as though your trying to teach someone something they know nothing about as though your training someone for a new job or as a Teacher teaches their students, both the owner & the pup would be a whole lot better off.
Also , did ya'll know that there is now a 0 tolerance for Bullying in the school system in most states ? There is a very good reason for this as bullying only teaches hatred.

[jezzabella]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

I certainly can understand how the fall could happen, but can't understand why you posted here instead of heading straight to a Vet for an exam. Good luck.

:thum bup:

[concretegurl]

I hope the pup is still alive...maybe OP did take it into the vet and it's being treated for an injury, maybe that's why they aren't posting.

[lillymae]

Originally Posted by concretegurl

I hope the pup is still alive...maybe OP did take it into the vet and it's being treated for an injury, maybe that's why they aren't posting.

Praying you are rite.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by imdll

Common sense is a combination of knowledge and experience and isn't nearly as common as the title would lead one to believe. Common sense could also be used when dealing with people who are here talking about a stressful event and who may not have the same knowledge and experience as we have.

I have watched on several occasions when some members of YT have gotten offended, or whatever description one would like to use, because a newcomer didn’t take advice given or did something that some members didn’t agree with. I have also watched while people were “chased off” just like what magicgenie says she has seen over the years she has been here. Frustrated or offended it doesn’t give anyone the right to treat people the way I and others have seen people treated by some members here.

Anytime someone tries to confront the antagonistic attacks on another member they in turn find themselves under similar condemnation. Some of what goes on is very similar to bullying tactics and I am not the only one who finds it offensive.

It’s not just a matter of differences of opinion it is about not caring about the consequences of what is said nor how driving people away affects YT or the dogs we all say we care about. If someone genuinely cares about the dogs involved in a given situation how does driving their owner away show that to be actually true?

The if you can’t take it then lump it mentality, or if you don’t like it hit the ignore button does not benefit the YT environment and seems to be rather one sided because when the tables get turned those who supposedly aren’t offended by the new member not taking their advice and who went on the attack are awfully quick to defend themselves even if their names aren’t mentioned. Kind of a they can dish it out but aren’t interested in their own medicine sort of scenario.

If we take the focus off ourselves and put it on what would genuinely benefit the dog or dogs we are concerned about, I suspect some of us might handle these sorts of situations differently.

The people who you say are driving people off could also say you are encouraging irresponsible dog ownership. I am an advocate for the dogs not the owners. The dogs cant speak for themselves.

[My lil friend]

Originally Posted by chachi

The people who you say are driving people off could also say you are encouraging irresponsible dog ownership. I am an advocate for the dogs not the owners. The dogs cant speak for themselves.

I dont think that kindness in teaching advocates irresponsiblilty in any way and running people off through rudness and bullying wont help the dogs either. Because then noone will get a chance to speak for them. Their owners wont be here to help and gain knowledge.

There is NO justification for rudeness and bullying.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by My lil friend

I dont think that kindness in teaching advocates irresponsiblilty in any way and running people off through rudness and bullying wont help the dogs either. Because then noone will get a chance to speak for them. Their owners wont be here to help and gain knowledge.

There is NO justification for rudeness and bullying.

Again its a matter of opinion because what one person may see as rudeness another may see as bluntness. I dont know I dont see admin or mods trying to change anyones posting style I dont know why anyone else would think they have that authority

[magicgenie]

There were some interesting things to learn from the OP's experience and those of other EXPERIENCED members of this board who chose not to post because it simply is not worth our time and trouble.
Carry on with your bickering and dire predictions pulled right out of overactive imaginations. The OP and the puppy have long ago forgotten all about you and the incident and gone on with their lives.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by magicgenie

There were some interesting things to learn from the OP's experience and those of other EXPERIENCED members of this board who chose not to post because it simply is not worth our time and trouble.
Carry on with your bickering and dire predictions pulled right out of overactive imaginations. The OP and the puppy have long ago forgotten all about you and the incident and gone on with their lives.

What was there to learn that a pup was dropped 6 ft. showed paralysis symptoms and the op didnt take him to the vet and the candy coated posts encouraging her to do so didnt motivate her to do it.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by chachi

What was there to learn that a pup was dropped 6 ft. showed paralysis symptoms and the op didnt take him to the vet and the candy coated posts encouraging her to do so didnt motivate her to do it.

Evidently what there is to learn is that we are only supposed to say the following (lest someone's panties get in a wad):

Excuse me, your puppy may be hurt. Could you pretty please with sugar on top take them in to the vet to make sure they aren't dying? No? Oh ok, thanks any way. No, no, really that's ok. We understand that you don't want to spend the time or money or drive that far. We TOTALLY get that you think the internet is a much better diagnostician than a vet that trained for many years. By the way, Kudos to you for breeding a 3 pound female to a 9 pound mixed breed dog you found on the side of the road. So sorry that one of the pups got stuck and you lost your little girl. I could have sworn that that youtube video would have walked you through the whelping process better. Better luck next time. I completely support breeding because you want to do it. Who needs breed standards when genetics roulette is so much fun?!

As the church lady would say. "Isn't that special?"

[concretegurl]

Bullying-is what the polite police here are doing. IMHO

Rudeness-is the never-ending opinions on the posting content and style of others ...their personality, style, etc.

You can't control eveyone around you accept it and more on.

Seriously shoo......just kidding!

I don't like what you have to say either-well on this thread topic/subject but we're both going to be here and say it, obviously if you didn't leave than the OP doesn't have any reason to not come back that's not self implied.

I had my tushie handed to me after my first post on here-I still feel at no fault of my own-- so I as others have termed it put my big girl panties on and started reading more (as in learning).