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Maximo 07-19-2011 07:02 AM
How do these results compare to her previous BATs?

aproctor 07-19-2011 07:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3603590)
I forget and don't want to skim the whole thread, so what tests did they do? The enzymes came down into normal range now?
This was the results we got from the blood tests:
ALKP: 28
ALT: 44
BUN: 16
CREA: 0.9
GLU: 96
TP: 6.4

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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3603591)
How do these results compare to her previous BATs?
Her previous BAT results were:
Pre~103
Post~35.3

107barney 07-19-2011 07:22 AM
I'm sorry to hear that Lucy's BATs were so high. I did not realize that they were so high the first time around. I'm actually surprised about the fasting liver enzyme values being so low and the BATs being so far off of reference. But don't despair - you don't have all the information yet and my guess is you will need further diagnostics to figure this out. If it is at all reassuring, I can tell you that my dog was 93 PRE and 107 POST at the time of diagnosis and that number is now 13 PRE and 3 POST

One thing I have tried (and I say TRIED) to learn is to treat my dog and not its blood work. I am concerned with labs, but as my vet recently told me, you can chase labs forever. If the dog isn't sick, I'm not sure how far I'd go. See what they say and what they recommend for Lucy. They might want to try her on the Hill's l/d and repeat BATs or they may want you to do other diagnostics. I would say though that the #s are definitely not normal, not even close. I'm really sorry for you and Lucy.

ladyjane 07-19-2011 07:27 AM
I will keep Lucy in my thoughts and prayers.

aproctor 07-19-2011 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 3603605)
I'm sorry to hear that Lucy's BATs were so high. I did not realize that they were so high the first time around. I'm actually surprised about the fasting liver enzyme values being so low and the BATs being so far off of reference. But don't despair - you don't have all the information yet and my guess is you will need further diagnostics to figure this out. If it is at all reassuring, I can tell you that my dog was 93 PRE and 107 POST at the time of diagnosis and that number is now 13 PRE and 3 POST

One thing I have tried (and I say TRIED) to learn is to treat my dog and not its blood work. I am concerned with labs, but as my vet recently told me, you can chase labs forever. If the dog isn't sick, I'm not sure how far I'd go. See what they say and what they recommend for Lucy. They might want to try her on the Hill's l/d and repeat BATs or they may want you to do other diagnostics. I would say though that the #s are definitely not normal, not even close. I'm really sorry for you and Lucy.

Thank you! It's so hard because I want to do what is best for her....I just can't figure out what would cause the BAT's to be so high when the other blood work was sooo good!!

So what did you do for your dog to get the numbers down to 13 and 3? That is awesome!

I am so anxious to hear what they will recommend at this point and I hope they call again SOON!!!

107barney 07-19-2011 09:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aproctor (Post 3603614)
Thank you! It's so hard because I want to do what is best for her....I just can't figure out what would cause the BAT's to be so high when the other blood work was sooo good!!

So what did you do for your dog to get the numbers down to 13 and 3? That is awesome!

I am so anxious to hear what they will recommend at this point and I hope they call again SOON!!!
My dog is medically managed with diet.
I hope you have more info soon.

aproctor 07-19-2011 09:20 AM
Yes my Lucy is a mystery especially since normally fasting is lower and after food it is higher.
:confused:

kjc 07-19-2011 10:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 3603605)
I'm sorry to hear that Lucy's BATs were so high. I did not realize that they were so high the first time around. I'm actually surprised about the fasting liver enzyme values being so low and the BATs being so far off of reference. But don't despair - you don't have all the information yet and my guess is you will need further diagnostics to figure this out. If it is at all reassuring, I can tell you that my dog was 93 PRE and 107 POST at the time of diagnosis and that number is now 13 PRE and 3 POST

One thing I have tried (and I say TRIED) to learn is to treat my dog and not its blood work. I am concerned with labs, but as my vet recently told me, you can chase labs forever. If the dog isn't sick, I'm not sure how far I'd go. See what they say and what they recommend for Lucy. They might want to try her on the Hill's l/d and repeat BATs or they may want you to do other diagnostics. I would say though that the #s are definitely not normal, not even close. I'm really sorry for you and Lucy.
Her fasting or preprandial results were high, both times. Way high. I've never seen results like this.

107barney 07-19-2011 10:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjc (Post 3603780)
Her fasting or preprandial results were high, both times. Way high. I've never seen results like this.

I was referring to the chemistry values (ALKP: 28
ALT: 44).

I also have seen high fasting/preprandial results very high, in my own dog. Daisy's very first blood draw was 96 pre and 18 post BUT her Alkaline phosphatase was 279.

yorkieusa 07-19-2011 06:34 PM
Still keeping lil Lucy in my thoughts and prayers.

aproctor 07-19-2011 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkieusa (Post 3604652)
Still keeping lil Lucy in my thoughts and prayers.
Thank you!!! It means a lot to have so much support!

Maximo 07-20-2011 02:47 AM
Ann, your little Lucy remains in my thoughts and prayers.

I hope the doctor calls you soon to discuss the next step in finding out what is behind the BAT results.

aproctor 07-20-2011 05:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 3604842)
Ann, your little Lucy remains in my thoughts and prayers.

I hope the doctor calls you soon to discuss the next step in finding out what is behind the BAT results.
Thank you Kristin!!!! :) I hope he call soon too or I may go nuts waiting! :eek:

kjc 07-20-2011 09:16 AM
Any news yet?

aproctor 07-20-2011 11:08 AM
No they haven't called yet. When I talked to them yesterday they said that the Dr was still waiting on the Dr at BP to call him back....still waiting! :(


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