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Old 09-28-2010, 07:58 AM   #16
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I agree with Cathy, Crystal and Marjorie....time to find out the cause. Treating symptoms without knowing a cause can cost more money in the long run....and in the meantime the dogs are sick and suffering; and you are losing sleep.
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I agree with Cathy, Crystal and Marjorie....time to find out the cause. Treating symptoms without knowing a cause can cost more money in the long run....and in the meantime the dogs are sick and suffering; and you are losing sleep.
I would agree with Linda, Cathy, Crystal and Marjorie. You need to figure out what is going on with them. Sadie has issues for a long time with this even before you got the new puppy. It almost makes me think that she passed something on to him that has not been treated properly in the past.
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I agree with Cathy and Crystal. I'd get further testing done to rule out Salmonella and a fecal profile done. You've got two things going on here - feeding raw recently and the possible exposure to giardia at daycare. I just don't think stress would would give them diarrhea for a month.

Not all dogs do well on raw and not all dogs do well on high protein commercial food. We've had Maltese on another forum I belong to have elevated kidney values on both Acana and Evo. Each dog is an individual and what works for one may not work for another. Short term you don't have to worry about supplements.

I would definitely give probiotics a try like Crystal suggested. Animal Essentials makes a good one. I also think a bland diet of chicken and rice is a good idea at this point. Some dogs, like Lady, don't digest rice well so I use oatmeal or barley.

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And now back to the dogs:

Since Bentley has had two normal days since going back to the primal pheasant diet i am going to leave him alone for the time being. Sadie i'm going to give propectalin because she has actually been fine for this entire month with the exception of vomitting episodes back on labor day, and ONE episode last weekend. she's been normal stools until yesterday and only started the runs when we went back to primal from orijen (too fast of a hard switch?) so for her i'm going with propectalin and bland diet. if Bentley stays the same and Sadie gets over hers then i will give them a couple weeks to stay normal. if they do i'll try once more to slowly transition to a different high quality kibble. if at any point they develop any vomitting or diarrhea (esp. diarrhea) i will get that profile done no matter the cost. the only reason whatsoever i'm holding back right now is because this all happened at the same time they A. took a trip and their food spoiled B. switched to a new type of dog food since i got scared about raw spoiling C. left them overnight in their kennel with my BIL to check on them and a huge thunderstorm happened D. dh worked a week of overnights and we were home alone a lot E. am going to start a new job and am stressed about money and changing their feeding routines to a totally NOT on schedule feeding times.

with all those changes going on, and each episode of sickness coming at the same moment something changed like that, i feel like i've just gotten them so far from their normal food and routine that i've caused them to go back and forth between good and bad.

so that's my plan of action for now, i'll give Sadie a couple days on bland diet with the propect. and if she's not well we'll do the fecal profile. if Bentley gets diarrhea again after he's finally having normal movements we'll get his done too...hopefully she'll clear up with the bland and he'll stay normal now. then hopefully we can finally make a good solid SLOW tranistion to a good kibble from raw and it will work for them both. and hopefully our stress with money and new working schedules will resolve and make everyone happier and healthier....WHEW i feel better already.
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i forgot to add. i've discussed this with the vet as well. she thinks that for now getting them on a routine and a schedule with ONE food and not switching it at all until they are fine is a good idea. she agrees that the cost of the fecal profile and actually needing to get it done at this point in time is not as neccessary as making sure they are on a routine and schedule and not stressed or changing their food or environment. so we'll go with that and pray it stops. if not...further diagnotics are on the way.
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they've been on and off antibiotics for weeks. we've had clavamox drops, metro, and amox. it keeps coming back so i think it's stress/food related versus bacterial/viral. or parasites, but that was temp. ruled out for now because of a clean fecal
by the way when you give antibiotic it kills bad and good bacteria; and can cause runny stool. it's best to give probiotic when giving antibiotics to keep a healthy GI system.
also you can feed a bland diet of chicken and rice or turkey and oatmeal to settle the stomach.
check with the vet to rule out any other issues. good luck
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I would agree with Linda, Cathy, Crystal and Marjorie. You need to figure out what is going on with them. Sadie has issues for a long time with this even before you got the new puppy. It almost makes me think that she passed something on to him that has not been treated properly in the past.
We are pretty sure that Sadie's GI issues were related almost always to spoiled raw food (always bacteria present in the GI) hence the major switch to kibble we're trying to make but i think the kibble we picked out while it seemed to work for Sadie it made Bentley have the runs. i may have to feed seperate foods because she's my chicken allergy dog and he's apparently got something against super fishy foods. we're thinking once they finally get normal we'll try out a lamb or duck food to put both dogs in the middle somewhere. they are both allergy dogs all the way. she's allergic to chicken, possibly corn and defin. ragweed and he's got skin allergies, dermatitis issues, and possibly now some type of fish my little allergy babies! LOL stressing mama out.
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i have some fortiflora probiotics, would it be ok to add that into a little plain non fat yogurt and feed with their bland diet?
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i have some fortiflora probiotics, would it be ok to add that into a little plain non fat yogurt and feed with their bland diet?
not sure about the yogurt; my girl can't handle it so i am not sure if ur dog will. but u can add the fortiflora to the bland diet. twice daily morning and night. that should help.
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i have some fortiflora probiotics, would it be ok to add that into a little plain non fat yogurt and feed with their bland diet?
Neither of mine can handle yogurt either.
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mine have had it before, but always mixed in with a bland diet like chicken and rice. i added a tiny bit of yogurt to the broth for thickening and to make the probiotics mix in better. maybe i should hold off until they feel better though and just put the probiotics in the broth.
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just learned something new. the propectalin is a probiotic as well as a little antidiarrheal med. so giving that until the stool returns to normal is actually better than fortiflora at this point for Sadie.
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Rachel, I'm sorry you and the kiddos are having these problems. I don't have any additional advice to offer, but I sure hope they're all better soon!
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UPDATE: Sadie is not eating anything this morning. She refuses to even take another propectalin and just NOW my dh finally decides to tell me that she spit up yesterday! Thanks dh don't freaking tell me anything about my own dogs that's so nice of you! So i'm having him make a bland diet and i'm going to talk to the vet about having him bring her over here to me.

and on top of all that my grandma is in the hospital with severe injuries, see the prayers for people thread.
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Oh Rachel. I'm so sorry - sometimes everything has to hit at once. Still sending prayers for the pups to feel better soon. I'm off to read what happened with your grandma.
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new game plan. vet said immediately switch both to chicken and rice and that's it for two weeks. Sadie is getting cerenia meds for the vomitting and they are both getting metroni. for two weeks straight through. also probiotics as well. if this doesn't clear it completely and it come back at any point the complete pathogens profile will be done. she thinks that whatever bacteria they have they are sharing back and forth and if this doesn't tackle the entire lot then she wants to do see them back for the fecal profile. i'm working with a different vet than the other day. it's hard with multiple vets but hopefully this helps.
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