Just got back from the ER

[manolos mom]

Hugs for you and Sadie....Please keep us updated.

[RachelandSadie]

well we went in and did radiographs at this point to rule out an obstruction and luckily nothing was present. she did one view to save us money, but she got a good enough shot to be sure it's not obstructed but it was inflammed and gaseous. she gave us cernia inj. again and this time we have meds to keep the anti vomiting going. we got some pepcid inj. and some pepcid meds for her take for the acid in her stomach to cool down. she got more SQ fluids.

I asked for some of the probiotic packets to help her get some good bacteria in her tract. the vet defin. agreed that those will help. we're still on a bland diet. she said to try plain yougurt, scrambled egg whites, cottage cheese, rice and boiled chicken....we're working on feeding her prob. again tomorrow and once again let her rest her stomach.

basically she's just got severe gastroenteritis. because she's drinking the vet is ruling out pancreatitis at this point. it's on the back burner in case we aren't getting anywhere else and she may have to go intraveinous fluids and blood work but at this point she's more sure it's gastro.

keep praying she gets well soon. this is hard on us all.

[RachelandSadie]

i also wanted to ask. DH mentioned on our drive to the ER again that we might be in for a lifetime of GI problems due to her coming from (his quote) "some guy named Marvin back yard breeding her)

Would breeding have anything to do with GI problems?? She's always had a hard time with digestion and has had bacterial GI problems in the past.

i don't think stomach issues have anything to do with breeding, but i had to ask.

[Ladymom]

I'm so glad Sadie doesn't have an obstruction! I panicked when you said she had black tarry diarrhea. I hope the new meds help her feel better.

These toy breeds have such delicate tummies. When my kids were young we had a Golden Retriever who could eat anything and never even burp. Within the first two months after I adopted Lady she ended up hospitalized with an IV for gastroenteritis. She was itchy after a professional grooming and tore out and swallowed a patch of hair. It cost me $600 ten years ago. Very expensive grooming!

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

i also wanted to ask. DH mentioned on our drive to the ER again that we might be in for a lifetime of GI problems due to her coming from (his quote) "some guy named Marvin back yard breeding her)

Would breeding have anything to do with GI problems?? She's always had a hard time with digestion and has had bacterial GI problems in the past.

i don't think stomach issues have anything to do with breeding, but i had to ask.

Yorkies have pretty delicate digestive systems no matter where they came from. They are especially prone to pancreatitis.

What are you feeding her? If it's raw it could account for her bacterial GI problems. Going forward, you might want to discuss a different diet with your vet, prescription or even homecooking.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Yorkies have pretty delicate digestive systems no matter where they came from. They are especially prone to pancreatitis.

What are you feeding her? If it's raw it could account for her bacterial GI problems. Going forward, you might want to discuss a different diet with your vet, prescription or even homecooking.

the original GI bacteria problem we are attributing to home made raw diet not in that it wasn't 100% healthy and balanced, but because we weren't able to keep it in the frige and thaw it out to be eaten fast enough. it was spoiling in the fridge and i think it caused her stomach troubles then.

now we feed primal raw and it's much easier to take care of and keep clean surfaces and only thaw an ounce or two at a time for meals.

i really don't believe this case was due to bacteria or raw food. i believe it's all on the corn and corn silks she ate. my fault totally and i really regret shucking corn onto the ground with the dogs outside.)

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

the original GI bacteria problem we are attributing to home made raw diet not in that it wasn't 100% healthy and balanced, but because we weren't able to keep it in the frige and thaw it out to be eaten fast enough. it was spoiling in the fridge and i think it caused her stomach troubles then.

now we feed primal raw and it's much easier to take care of and keep clean surfaces and only thaw an ounce or two at a time for meals.

i really don't believe this case was due to bacteria or raw food. i believe it's all on the corn and corn silks she ate. my fault totally and i really regret shucking corn onto the ground with the dogs outside.)

Hopefully the switch from homemade raw to commercial made the difference. And hopefully Sadie won't get into anymore corn silks!

I was just answering your question about breeding and digestive issues. Yorkies do tend to have a more delicate digestive system so if Sadie continues to have problems, it might be worth checking into a change in diet.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Hopefully the switch from homemade raw to commercial made the difference. And hopefully Sadie won't get into anymore corn silks!

I was just answering your question about breeding and digestive issues. Yorkies do tend to have a more delicate digestive system so if Sadie continues to have problems, it might be worth checking into a change in diet.

as much as i hate to leave the raw...i'm contemplating a switch to a natural kibble. it's easier, faster, more travel friendly, and she does seem to like her brother's when he's eating it.

i'm thinking maybe canidae or arcadia. maybe something along those lines.

[littlewhip]

Praying for sadie Rachel, Just now read your thread, hope she is feeling better soon

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

as much as i hate to leave the raw...i'm contemplating a switch to a natural kibble. it's easier, faster, more travel friendly, and she does seem to like her brother's when he's eating it.

i'm thinking maybe canidae or arcadia. maybe something along those lines.

How about half and half? Lady can't eat raw because of her diabetes, so I don't know that much about it. I think you can feed raw and commercial kibble as long as they aren't at the same meal, though, right?

I have had to homecook for Lady for the past few years because of all her health issues, but I don't know if I would do it for a healthy dog. There are some wonderful commercial kibbles out there. Lady did really well on Natures Variety Prairie for years.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

How about half and half? Lady can't eat raw because of her diabetes, so I don't know that much about it. I think you can feed raw and commercial kibble as long as they aren't at the same meal, though, right?

I have had to homecook for Lady for the past few years because of all her health issues, but I don't know if I would do it for a healthy dog. There are some wonderful commercial kibbles out there. Lady did really well on Natures Variety Prairie for years.

I prefer to feed raw because I personally believe that it's more natural and wild than kibbles. I don't like the preservatives and additives that come in making a kibble. even the best possible and most natural brands of kibble still have things in them that aren't added into raw diets. primal is 100% meats, veggies, egg, fish oils, ext. nothing is additive or preservatives. They stay frozen until i set them out for the next feeding. it works great, it's simple enough, and it's the most natural thing a canine carnivore could eat IMO. i'm fine with the home cooking thing, but i prefer to give it in a raw more natural state. i feel that cooking takes out some of the vitamins and minerals and the natural quality of the meal. and kibble takes cooking it several steps further in the processing. it's kinda like that with what i eat. i would much rather eat corn straight from the cob from my garden than the stuff preserved in a can...i eat freezer corn we put up ourselves rather than buy it...and that's just me. natural, wild, and the way you find it. granted i don't eat raw meats, but that's because i'm human and have the ability to cook my own foods. my dogs eat raw because in the wild they'd simply have to do that. makes sense in my own logic and research backs it up. even several of the vets in my office are fine with it and/or agree with it.

sorry for the long shpeal. it's all about what we feel is right. same with raising children. what i think is best won't be what MIL or even my own mama think is best. but u do what you think is right because ur the mama in charge

if i ever have a reason to honestly believe raw food is causing upset stomach issues or bacterial infections for Sadie i'd stop doing it, but even the vets each time have said it was not the raw diet that caused the bacteria to develop and rather something else environmental.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

I prefer to feed raw because I personally believe that it's more natural and wild than kibbles. I don't like the preservatives and additives that come in making a kibble. even the best possible and most natural brands of kibble still have things in them that aren't added into raw diets. primal is 100% meats, veggies, egg, fish oils, ext. nothing is additive or preservatives. They stay frozen until i set them out for the next feeding. it works great, it's simple enough, and it's the most natural thing a canine carnivore could eat IMO. i'm fine with the home cooking thing, but i prefer to give it in a raw more natural state. i feel that cooking takes out some of the vitamins and minerals and the natural quality of the meal. and kibble takes cooking it several steps further in the processing. it's kinda like that with what i eat. i would much rather eat corn straight from the cob from my garden than the stuff preserved in a can...i eat freezer corn we put up ourselves rather than buy it...and that's just me. natural, wild, and the way you find it. granted i don't eat raw meats, but that's because i'm human and have the ability to cook my own foods. my dogs eat raw because in the wild they'd simply have to do that. makes sense in my own logic and research backs it up. even several of the vets in my office are fine with it and/or agree with it.

sorry for the long shpeal. it's all about what we feel is right. same with raising children. what i think is best won't be what MIL or even my own mama think is best. but u do what you think is right because ur the mama in charge

if i ever have a reason to honestly believe raw food is causing upset stomach issues or bacterial infections for Sadie i'd stop doing it, but even the vets each time have said it was not the raw diet that caused the bacteria to develop and rather something else environmental.

I certainly wasn't criticizing your choice to feed raw. I was commenting on your statement that you were contemplating switching to kibble.

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

as much as i hate to leave the raw...i'm contemplating a switch to a natural kibble. it's easier, faster, more travel friendly, and she does seem to like her brother's when he's eating it.

i'm thinking maybe canidae or arcadia. maybe something along those lines.

[RachelandSadie]

ladymom, i'm not upset...hopefully you don't think i am. i was just explaining why i like it. i do consider switching but i'd really hate to do so.

sorry if i came across upset at all. i like you a lot and respect you quite a lot too. i don't feel threatened or anything and i know you are offering suggestions which i very much appreciate. i was just sharing with you what i feel about the raw and why i'm trying to keep at it.

[RachelandSadie]

okay so no more throwing up so far, she ate her yogurt and some pro biotics mixed into it. then she ate chicken this morning and rice. she took her meds in a pill pocket (those are lifesavers) then she had a couple of bloody diarrhea bouts. they were getting more red and bloody so i called the vet back and we are starting on amoxicillan with the pro biotics should help clear that up. i also have cerenia and pepcid tabs for the anti vom. and the stomach acid. at least she appears to have a good appetite again and she's very energetic. i think we're getting there it's just a long road to wellness.

[LoALAnna]

Just wondering how Sadie is doing. Is she feeling any better? Please let us know!