Lucy

[dwerten]

here i will bold it for you from the LINK

Female dogs are slightly more affected than male dogs, and small breed and specifically poodles appear to be more commonly affected.

The location of GME may occur either in the meninges (menigo), brain (encephalo), or the spinal cord (myelitis). It may affect one, two, or all three components of the CNS.
What to Watch For

Clinical signs are variable and reflect the area of the CNS affected. If GME affects the forebrain, clinical signs could involve:

Blindness

Seizures

Altered mental status

Pacing

Circling

Head pressing

Stumbling with a nearly normal gait

If GME affects the hindbrain (brainstem +/- cerebellum), clinical signs may include:


Falling

Rolling

Inability to blink

Facial paralysis

Voice change

Mental depression

Tremors

Spastic gait and broad based stance

Spinal cord involvement of GME may include such signs as:


Fever

Spinal pain

Weakness or paralysis in one, two, or all four legs

If the forebrain is primarily affected, response to immunosuppressive corticosteroids may be prolonged or rarely curative. If the hindbrain or spinal cord is primarily affected, drug therapy is less successful for complete or long-lasting improvement.

The onset of GME is usually acute with a slowly, insidious progression over one to two months

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I must be missing something......back legs giving out is a symptom of GME?

Where is this information about vaccines being a trigger for GME?

I really think that this pup needs to go to a specialist if she has not already. There could be so many different things going on and to guess and scare oneself is not a good idea imo. I would not start looking at disastrous diagnoses at this point. Just my thoughts.

well having an mvd dog and reading everything there is to read about the disease I have yet to see a dog have its legs go out on them but i have sure seen this on GME dogs as my friend had this happen in her dog and also on GME group. It is misdiagnosed like my friends dog for disc issues.

This disease is showing up more and more in yorkies and the vet either misdiagnosis as disc issue or brain tumor like polina who also had paralysis in legs

I thought you were reading up on GME to help Rorie - have you not read this anywhere?

I also stated it needs to be RULED OUT not a diagnosis

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

read the link yes it is a sign and i was right about the other dog with leg paralysis. My friends dog has GME and her dog had leg paralysis so YES leg paralysis is a sign of this disease. It depends on what area of the spinal chord is being affected.

I will state it AGAIN for you vaccines can be a TRIGGER not a CAUSE

I could guess that all dogs with leg paralyisis have GME and be right on one of them. My question is where is it that this is a main symptom of GME? It is not something I am aware of. Since you seem to know so much, all I am asking is for where you found this information.


And I am asking you where you have found that information about vaccines being a TRIGGER.. My understanding is that they do not know triggers and/or causes. So, if I am wrong, I would love to see the research that shows this.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

well having an mvd dog and reading everything there is to read about the disease I have yet to see a dog have its legs go out on them but i have sure seen this on GME dogs as my friend had this happen in her dog and also on GME group. It is misdiagnosed like my friends dog for disc issues.

This disease is showing up more and more in yorkies and the vet either misdiagnosis as disc issue or brain tumor like polina who also had paralysis in legs

I thought you were reading up on GME to help Rorie - have you not read this anywhere?

I also stated it needs to be RULED OUT not a diagnosis

Where did I say that?

[ladyjane]

I will be looking forward to hearing what the vet says today. I DO hope Miss Lucy is ok...I will keep her in my thoughts and prayers.

Please try not to worry too much...I know how it feels to have a sick one ... they do feel our stress. Hopefully, it is something simple.

[dwerten]

it is on this link from a vet websited

http://www.petplace.com/dogs/granulo...gme/page1.aspx

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by dwerten

here i will bold it for you from the LINK

Female dogs are slightly more affected than male dogs, and small breed and specifically poodles appear to be more commonly affected.

The location of GME may occur either in the meninges (menigo), brain (encephalo), or the spinal cord (myelitis). It may affect one, two, or all three components of the CNS.
What to Watch For

Clinical signs are variable and reflect the area of the CNS affected. If GME affects the forebrain, clinical signs could involve:

Blindness

Seizures

Altered mental status

Pacing

Circling

Head pressing

Stumbling with a nearly normal gait

If GME affects the hindbrain (brainstem +/- cerebellum), clinical signs may include:


Falling

Rolling

Inability to blink

Facial paralysis

Voice change

Mental depression

Tremors

Spastic gait and broad based stance

Spinal cord involvement of GME may include such signs as:


Fever

Spinal pain

Weakness or paralysis in one, two, or all four legs

If the forebrain is primarily affected, response to immunosuppressive corticosteroids may be prolonged or rarely curative. If the hindbrain or spinal cord is primarily affected, drug therapy is less successful for complete or long-lasting improvement.

The onset of GME is usually acute with a slowly, insidious progression over one to two months

here it is again read the bold lettering

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by dwerten

it is on this link from a vet websited

Granulomatous Meningoencephalomyelitis (GME)

So, are you suggesting that if a dog has a fever which is one symptom, that you should do a MRI and spinal tap to r/o GME?

You just cannot take one symptom out of a list like that and draw conclusions. There is so much more to it than that.

[dwerten]

another thing that needs to be ruled out for paralysis is lyme disease so has your dog had any ticks? I believe there is a special blood test they do to rule this out. I think britsters dog jackson had this happen and i can find the link.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Where did I say that?

#83 on this link

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...very-sick.html

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

So, are you suggesting that if a dog has a fever which is one symptom, that you should do a MRI and spinal tap to r/o GME?

You just cannot take one symptom out of a list like that and draw conclusions. There is so much more to it than that.

no but if the dog has paralysis then a neuro needs to be checking this dog out after xrays are done and blood work to rule out lyme disease as this is NOT mvd related in my opinion. I have never seen a dog where their legs went out with MVD. I guess this could be the first like the brain tumor i have never read about that turned out to be GME

[Ringo1]

Oh God - GME has a survival rate of less than twelve months! So I surely hope it is not that.

Our walk was a long one in the woods; found a tick on myself when I got home - but checked the dogs good and found none on them.

Lucy is very quiet today; hoping it's the heat . . very hot outside. Another call into the Vet this morning; I hope they can get me in today. Waiting on callback. I went over all the symptoms.

Liver related or not - I'm def going to switch her to a vegetarian food. I've been playing with fire trying to get her to eat . . . and probably got just a little too comfortable with it because she has done so well - playing, running, jumping, eating; all the things a sweet little girl should be doing.

Thanks for your advice guys; I will let you know what the Vet recommends. I will ask him about possible neurological issues and GME?

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ringo1

Oh God - GME has a survival rate of less than twelve months! So I surely hope it is not that.

Our walk was a long one in the woods; found a tick on myself when I got home - but checked the dogs good and found none on them.

Lucy is very quiet today; hoping it's the heat . . very hot outside. Another call into the Vet this morning; I hope they can get me in today. Waiting on callback. I went over all the symptoms.

Liver related or not - I'm def going to switch her to a vegetarian food. I've been playing with fire trying to get her to eat . . . and probably got just a little too comfortable with it because she has done so well - playing, running, jumping, eating; all the things a sweet little girl should be doing.

Thanks for your advice guys; I will let you know what the Vet recommends. I will ask him about possible neurological issues and GME?

if you had a tick then i would ask about lyme. He needs to know about paralysis behavior for sure.

GME is not a death sentence they can go into remission but the earlier it is caught the better outcome for dog. It may not be this but just want you to know all possible reasons for paralysis in this breed. The xray will rule out disc issues

can you home cook? If so you may want to make dr dodds liver cleansing diet and i can get you that if you would like. It is cod and cod you can get at costco in frozen section. Do not get the sam's club one as just found out it is from CHINA

still trying to find britsers thread about lyme- we do not have deer ticks here so i do not know alot about it but do know it can cause paralysis

[Ringo1]

I can home cook - at least for a while until new job starts. Willing to try anything at this point to improve her liver.

[dwerten]

Originally Posted by Ringo1

I can home cook - at least for a while until new job starts. Willing to try anything at this point to improve her liver.

ok i will pm you dr dodds liver cleansing diet as many use this for dogs that have mvd and liver disease and if yours is picky she may want to eat home cooked. when you go back to work you can freeze the vegetable portion and then bake cod to make it easier.

Do you want to try the vegetarian natural balance with cod first or homecook? Sometimes they are picky just because the food makes them feel sick. My demi on the other hand is just a princess lollll

Are you on the liver shunt mvd groups on yahoogroups.com? Personally i just feed dee dee 18% protein purina ha a hydrolized soy diet as low in protein and fat. Alot of dogs will not eat that food though so if you have a picky one then it may not work. Homecooking is better anyway if balanced. I do not supplement at all for her liver as her bats were low the last time after 3 being done and were almost normal on the low protein diet alone and she has so many other issues with allergies adding any supplements may just set her allergies off