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Wylie's Mom 03-08-2010 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 3031566)
have you used bene-bac for your dogs for a long time;
do u think it's safe to use for a long term with these ingredients? (see red)

ingredients
Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried L. plantarum Fermentation Product, Dried Streptococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried L. casei Fermentation Product, Vegetable Oils, Sugar, Silicondioxide, Artificial Color, Polysorbate 80 (a preservative) with Tertiary Butyl Hydroquinone and Ethoxyquin.
It doesn't contain Ethoxyquin, Poly 80, or TBHQ...HERE is the manufacturer's site/info. HERE is the product page from the manufacturer.

These are the ingredients: Dried lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried L. fermentum fermatation product, dried L. acidophilus fermentation product, dried L. plantarum fermentation product, dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried bifidobacterium bifidum fermentation product, dried pediococcus acidilactici fermentation product, sunflower oil, sucrose, silicon dioxide, dextrose, artificial color.

I always suggest that when you do see "red-flag" ingredients - you should always check the Manufacturers site. Keep in mind there are still sites on the Internet that list Natural Balance Dog Food as containing Menadione....:rolleyes:.

BeneBac is a great product for Emergency Kits, imo.

Wylie's Mom 03-08-2010 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 3031559)
it's just so easy to administer and she seems to love it; she stands next to me when i am holding the tube; and then licks it off my finger. i am afraid to switch her to a powder as she's very picky and wont take anything that she doesnt like. is there another probiotic gel or liquid out there; thanks
For daily use, I use this, as KJC mentioned. The BeneBac is only part of my sick/emerg kit for the boys. Dogzymes is both a probiotic as well as an enzyme product. Also, it's microencapsulated - so it's supposed to better survive a dog's extremely acidic stomach (keep in mind many probiotics will die in a dog's tummy).

ally173 03-08-2010 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3031669)
It doesn't contain Ethoxyquin, Poly 80, or TBHQ...HERE is the manufacturer's site/info. HERE is the product page from the manufacturer.

These are the ingredients: Dried lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried L. fermentum fermatation product, dried L. acidophilus fermentation product, dried L. plantarum fermentation product, dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried bifidobacterium bifidum fermentation product, dried pediococcus acidilactici fermentation product, sunflower oil, sucrose, silicon dioxide, dextrose, artificial color.

I always suggest that when you do see "red-flag" ingredients - you should always check the Manufacturers site. Keep in mind there are still sites on the Internet that list Natural Balance Dog Food as containing Menadione....:rolleyes:.

BeneBac is a great product for Emergency Kits, imo.
you are right; i took a look at the tube and the ingredients are as u listed above; so i am going to keep using it
i cant use the powder u suggested below as it has ingredients that i am not sure if they will agrevate her IBD
do u think i can continue using bene-bac on a long term; i dont see why not?

Wylie's Mom 03-08-2010 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 3031696)
you are right; i took a look at the tube and the ingredients are as u listed above; so i am going to keep using it
i cant use the powder u suggested below as it has ingredients that i am not sure if they will agrevate her IBD
do u think i can continue using bene-bac on a long term; i dont see why not?
If it's working for your kiddo, and esp. since your vet is on board with it - I'd say stick w/ it - it has a good delivery system (also encapsulated), a good variety of species, is concentrated, - and, MOST importantly - she'll lick it right off your finger - what's not to love :D?!

ally173 03-08-2010 05:57 PM
she is eating the food; however she's not drinking water; i called the vet to ask him and he said it's ok; he will be more concerned if she's drinking lots of water. i guess since the food is wet she doesnt feel thirsty. i was concerned because i felt her gums and they feel dry and sticky. i am adding little water to her food just in case. also the food makes her burp, which i am concerned about that too. hopefully it will get better.

ally173 03-09-2010 10:58 AM
do you guys think it's ok to keep feeding her iams low residue wet food for the rest of her life; the vet said i can add the iams low residue dry food; but i am afraid of another relapse. not sure what to do. she seems hungry with the wet food alone; she's eating about 1/2 can a day now; not drinking water as she's not thirsty from the wet food. her urine is light yellow; concentrated in the morning but not too much throughout the day.

BonBon 03-09-2010 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 3033289)
do you guys think it's ok to keep feeding her iams low residue wet food for the rest of her life; the vet said i can add the iams low residue dry food; but i am afraid of another relapse. not sure what to do. she seems hungry with the wet food alone; she's eating about 1/2 can a day now; not drinking water as she's not thirsty from the wet food. her urine is light yellow; concentrated in the morning but not too much throughout the day.
Elly, I've been following this thread even though I haven't posted. What I'm about to say is only my opinion: Yes, I think it's absolutely ok to keep feeding her this. At this point, you have to find what her little body will tolerate and just go with that. If this Iams is what works for her, then that's what you feed her. Animals everywhere eat Iams every day and do just fine. I sure hope she's feeling better! Sending a little hug her way. :)

ally173 03-09-2010 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 3033311)
Elly, I've been following this thread even though I haven't posted. What I'm about to say is only my opinion: Yes, I think it's absolutely ok to keep feeding her this. At this point, you have to find what her little body will tolerate and just go with that. If this Iams is what works for her, then that's what you feed her. Animals everywhere eat Iams every day and do just fine. I sure hope she's feeling better! Sending a little hug her way. :)
thank you; i was asking this because i want her to get the full nutrition; and not sure if the wet food alone is enough. she seems to be always hungry; but then this could be the prednisone she's on. i think for now i will stick with the wet food for few months at least, until she's better; and then maybe i will start adding the low residue kibble.

BonBon 03-09-2010 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 3033313)
thank you; i was asking this because i want her to get the full nutrition; and not sure if the wet food alone is enough. she seems to be always hungry; but then this could be the prednisone she's on. i think for now i will stick with the wet food for few months at least, until she's better; and then maybe i will start adding the low residue kibble.
I agree with your plan completely! The first, most important thing is to make sure she'll eat it and tolerate it. Once you have a base meal established, then you can try adding or supplementing as you feel comfortable. I think the wet food probably contains the nutrition she needs, but I understand your concerns.

Is it possible for you to add another meal to her schedule? I don't remember how often you're feeding her now, but smaller meals spread more often throughout the day may make her feel less hungry.

ally173 03-09-2010 11:32 AM
i am feeding her 3 times a day smaller meals.
when she gets better i will feed her twice daily; but she doesnt like to eat large amount of food at one sitting;
it's funny she knows and i know when she's full; she will walk away from the food and burp :)

ally173 03-09-2010 11:41 AM
silly question; but does anyone know how long does it take for a dog to digest a meal; dry or wet food. in other words, how long does it take for their stomach to empty.
thanks

Wylie's Mom 03-09-2010 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 3033347)
silly question; but does anyone know how long does it take for a dog to digest a meal; dry or wet food. in other words, how long does it take for their stomach to empty.
thanks
Since she has GI problems, gosh, there is no telling :(. If she has delayed gastric emptying, and then also issues in the small intestine...it's all a guess. I mean, w/ delayed gastric emptying, they can find meal contents in the stomach up to 24+ hours later, so....?

I think w/ her complicated issues, you'd have to keep an in/out diary, you know what I mean? A very detailed one... you have a GI spec, right? They should be able to walk you through doing this...and/or a nutritionist.

dwerten 03-10-2010 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 3033331)
i am feeding her 3 times a day smaller meals.
when she gets better i will feed her twice daily; but she doesnt like to eat large amount of food at one sitting;
it's funny she knows and i know when she's full; she will walk away from the food and burp :)
best for ibd dogs to eat 3-4 meals a day rather than two as it helps them digest better

it takes 48-72hrs to completely be out of system for a normal dog that is why they say with a blockage situation 48-72hrs and you will kow

dwerten 03-10-2010 09:20 AM
dry is harder to digest than wet and creates more stomach acid to break it down so why i soak kibble when dex gets an upset stomach to slowly introduce food back in as his diet does not come in wet only dry

ally173 03-10-2010 10:40 AM
i went today to buy more food for her; i told them she's eating 1/2 can (7oz) daily; but she's always hungry; they said i can add the kibble. i asked for a sample, which they didnt have. and since they wont return an open bag, i decided to keep feeding her wet only; i figured it's easier on her stomach anyway. so i bought 2 cases (24 cans) for $54 +tax which will last 48 days; that's a lot of money; but what can i do.

Ellie May 03-10-2010 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 3034498)
i went today to buy more food for her; i told them she's eating 1/2 can (7oz) daily; but she's always hungry; they said i can add the kibble. i asked for a sample, which they didnt have. and since they wont return an open bag, i decided to keep feeding her wet only; i figured it's easier on her stomach anyway. so i bought 2 cases (24 cans) for $54 +tax which will last 48 days; that's a lot of money; but what can i do.
I'm sorry they are giving you a hard time. Vets can return foods to companies if they don't work for the animal. I'm pretty sure both Science Diet and Purina let Ellie's vet do this...

ladyjane 03-10-2010 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 3034498)
i went today to buy more food for her; i told them she's eating 1/2 can (7oz) daily; but she's always hungry; they said i can add the kibble. i asked for a sample, which they didnt have. and since they wont return an open bag, i decided to keep feeding her wet only; i figured it's easier on her stomach anyway. so i bought 2 cases (24 cans) for $54 +tax which will last 48 days; that's a lot of money; but what can i do.

Write to the company, tell them the story and ask for samples!

ally173 03-10-2010 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3034503)
I'm sorry they are giving you a hard time. Vets can return foods to companies if they don't work for the animal. I'm pretty sure both Science Diet and Purina let Ellie's vet do this...
they said i can return or exchange any unopened or unused food; but how can i try a food if i dont open a bag??
i asked for a little sample in a bag; which they didnt have??
but whatever, anyway i think it's best to stick with wet food, since she's doing well on it and she likes it.

ally173 03-10-2010 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3034516)
Write to the company, tell them the story and ask for samples!
good idea linda; ok i will write them today.
thanks

Ellie May 03-10-2010 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 3034518)
they said i can return or exchange any unopened or unused food; but how can i try a food if i dont open a bag??
i asked for a little sample in a bag; which they didnt have??
but whatever, anyway i think it's best to stick with wet food, since she's doing well on it and she likes it.
Hmmm, Ellie ate both foods for 3 to 4 weeks. We decided they weren't working, so we returned them open and got a full refund.

ally173 03-10-2010 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3034521)
Hmmm, Ellie ate both foods for 3 to 4 weeks. We decided they weren't working, so we returned them open and got a full refund.
lucky you; maybe this vet doesnt want to spend time returning items to the company. i dont know but i am not buying a whole bag, not knowing how ava will react to it. so far the wet food is good; so i will stick with that.
thanks all for your advice.

ladyjane 03-10-2010 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 3034526)
lucky you; maybe this vet doesnt want to spend time returning items to the company. i dont know but i am not buying a whole bag, not knowing how ava will react to it. so far the wet food is good; so i will stick with that.
thanks all for your advice.
My vet always takes food back.

kjc 03-11-2010 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3034540)
My vet always takes food back.
Mine does too. The manufacturers offer a money-back guarantee so the vet doesn't lose money.

dwerten 03-11-2010 07:57 AM
i had them tell me they could not take back shampoo before and i said i called the mfg and they said you can lollll so the vet said go ahead and return it so you may want to call mfg and tell vet you called mfg and they told you that you can return it - i think they do not like to hassle with it but if they know you know they can maybe that will make a difference

ally173 03-11-2010 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3035716)
i had them tell me they could not take back shampoo before and i said i called the mfg and they said you can lollll so the vet said go ahead and return it so you may want to call mfg and tell vet you called mfg and they told you that you can return it - i think they do not like to hassle with it but if they know you know they can maybe that will make a difference
if that's their policy; nothing i can do about it; it' s a private practice and i guess he's free to do whatever.
i dont want to make waves with this new vet; especially if i want him to spend time taking care of my ava; i dont want to get on his bad side, just for a bag of food. :)
thanks for the advice :)

ladyjane 03-11-2010 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 3035726)
if that's their policy; nothing i can do about it; it' s a private practice and i guess he's free to do whatever.
i dont want to make waves with this new vet; especially if i want him to spend time taking care of my ava; i dont want to get on his bad side, just for a bag of food. :)
thanks for the advice :)
I agree....not worth it at all. I would simply call the manufacturer and ask for samples. That way you can avoid buying a large bag you might get stuck with. :)

ally173 03-28-2010 04:36 PM
allergy test results
 
ok; her blood allergy test results came back
she's allergic to:

food class

corn 2
soybean 2
rice 2
lamb 2
pea 2
duck 1
yeast 1

the vet said she has very low level; and he said she doesn't really have food allergy; since she was eating purina pro plan that has the above ingredients (lamb, rice , corn..) ; he concluded that maybe some dust mites got on the dry food and she ate it; thus triggering the allergy reaction.
for now she will stay on the iams low residue since she's doing well on it (which has corn grits); we won't know if she's allergic to it, until we stop the prednisone therapy.
she's down to once daily dose of prednisone; in one week she will be down to one dose every other day for another 4 to 6 weeks.

this is the scale range of the classes
0 abscent or undetectable
1 very low level
2 low level
3 high level
4 very hight level
5 ultra high level
6 ultra high level

classes represent IgF anitibody specific for the respective allergen; consider class 2level and greater for allergen immunotherapy.

ally173 03-28-2010 05:03 PM
by the way; ava is peeing a lot; and having an accident on the carpet, almost every day. is that a normal side effect of the prednisone?
i am scared she's developing diabetes from the meds; but she's only on it for a bit over 3 weeks.

dwerten 03-28-2010 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ally173 (Post 3059116)
by the way; ava is peeing a lot; and having an accident on the carpet, almost every day. is that a normal side effect of the prednisone?
i am scared she's developing diabetes from the meds; but she's only on it for a bit over 3 weeks.
that is normal as she is on a high dose sounds like as pred makes them produce more urine so they pee alot more and sometimes can pee in their sleep

ally173 03-28-2010 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3059178)
that is normal as she is on a high dose sounds like as pred makes them produce more urine so they pee alot more and sometimes can pee in their sleep
what do u think about her allergy test results
corn 2
soybean 2
rice 2
lamb 2
pea 2
duck 1
yeast 1


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