The herbs I got were from Dr. Wen's practice at Hampton Veterinary Hospital. He develops the herbs himself, and he sells them to other veterinarians through his company Natural Solutions, Inc. White Crane Supplements. I know this is OT from the original thread, so I sent you a pm with the information about it.

timmy
 

Timmy seems to be doing great with his wet food and medicine. :DHe has no diarrhea thank the lord...quite opposite actually he poops only like once a day right now..he does however BURP loudly after each feeding, so it makes me think his throw up problems were related to gas b/c now that hes on wet food he has enough room to burp, but on the dry food he gulped down..he couldnt get that excess air out without throwing up...its just a guess but i think it may be the truth...im excited that he seems completely healthy now, i just want the medicine to be done soon so i can start training him. i did teach him to sit already, and i make him sit before i give him his meals, so that seems to be working very well with my cute little baby:animal36 hes so smart i cant wait to teach him the fun stuff!! I bought a clicker for training, so im gonna try that out. With my pom, Spice, i just trained her my own way..and she is great, but sometimes she just does all the tricks and doesnt LISTEN to what im asking of her..or she gets distracted. So im hoping to train timmy with more control so he can do his tricks for an extended pd of time..Spice knows down, turn/spin, roll over, shake/high five, speak, jump, and I Love you (which is when i say that she barks 3 times back at me as if saying i love you) Not so great with stay..which is where my training for timmy to have more control is hoping to come into play.

Timmy hit pay dirt when he came to you! :) I am SO happy he is doing better!

It warms my heart to read what you write about Timmy. I am so glad he is doing better,

thanx:) im so glad i have a place to ask questions and ramble on about my love for my dogs without ppl thinking im crazy..lol :D

anyone feed their yorkie wet food? timmy has been on eukanuba wet canned food for about 4-5 days now and his poo looks like clay!! and it feels kinda like that too when i clean it up. Its even gray. The vet said that its prob the food, but its still weird. lol today his poo was almost the length of his body!!! it was SO WEIRD. I feel like all i get done lately is cleaning up poop, puke, and pee! He def is a baby thats for sure. he hasnt thrown up while eating the wet food, just burps...but he did throw up a tiny bit of wet food on the floor just now, and its 1:00 and he ate at 6:30 this morning! good news i guess is that it was literally just wet food, no foam or bubbles..and it was just a little bit. It happened after he was playin with a squeaky toy, so i dunno if he got choked or what. Weird to be happy about normal looking vomit huh? lol

on another note timmy rules at fetch already:) i like getting him to get up and get excited about something..its adorable:animal36

well i gave timmy like MAYBE 10-15 pieces of hard food mixed in with his wet tonite..and he threw up:( it was basically the same as before just a little less slimy, and all colored like the food instead of white. Other than that all was the same. I didnt hear him chewing any of the hard pieces..so im not sure if he just gulped them down or what. I still think it may be caused by excess air he cant get out...cuz no burping this feeding. I think i'll google what ingredient(s) in food cause gas in dogs and see if theres somethin i can do there..i dunno. He seems happy now, playing and what not..its so irritating that there are no symptoms and no reasons found for this problem. and obviously he doesnt have the problem with wet food...so to me that means it HAS to do with the actual pieces of food somehow..:confused:

Interesting. I would stick with the wet food then. You know...one thought may be that he is allergic to corn. That is often in dry food .. and not in canned. I have not seen that type of allergic reaction, but I think anything is possible? I don't know...kind of a stretch I guess. :p

i looked it up online and a few ingredients in his food, such as grains, and by product meal, are supposedly bad for gas, so maybe i can try to find one that doesnt have that..and the site said some dogs just inhale too much air while gulping and that can cause the gas....well we know he gulps, and cant solve it...he has a brake fast bowl already and still throws up. So i may just ask the person at the pet store what kind of food i should get..i was thinkin i'd look into science diet or this holistic natural food i saw there. I'll have to look at the ingredients, but it worth a try. His food does have corn meal in it. I feel so bad that his food keeps changing, i feel like hes never going to get adjusted!:( but i want this problem solved for both our sakes. I REALLY dont wanna keep him on the wet b/c it is SO expensive. It cost me 9 dollars just to feed him for a week! I already have to pay 10 a month added to rent for getting a second dog, and have to provide him, and my pom with all the things they need and deserve...so im really trying to find an alternative to the wet food.
i dunno..

bc he's vomiting WATCHHHHHH him if he starts shaking make sure to give him syrup, only like a few drops and then make sure he eats. If he wont eat you most force feed him. take a can of soft dog food put it in a bowl, add water and syrup to bring his sugar level up. feed him at lest 6 table spoons every four hours till he starts eating on his own. or else he'll go in to hypo shock.

Syrup is the worst thing ....you can start a roller coaster, bringing them up from a possible hyperglycemic attack and then crashing again.....

The best thing is NutriDrops or NutriCal....Nutridrops absorbing faster into the system.

no problems Eating...he just LOVES to eat...its that he eats too fast and throws up on dry food..with wet he eats just as fast but just burps

timmy's poop is no longer clay like...but now its SO brown its almost Red and its really soft..still all in one piece when it comes out, but this worries me....he's been on the canned food for 6 days and clindamycin for 7 days...but why is his poop changing now??

Timmy is now throwing up like a baby randomly. :( he is spitting up like a baby actually, ive seen it 3 times in the last 3 days. Once, just after chewing a toy..which was food, and i assumed that he got choked. Then in the car a tiny bit of white, which i assumed was car sickness (which he has never had so far), then today it was out of nowhere. he was layin down and just got up and spit up. theres no hurling/hacking of any kind that i can tell when he spits up(very little, not like when he throws up from eating). I really dont know if this is another symptom/clue to what his problem can be or what...

i feel like he really needs to get on a food that fixes these problems, if there is one..but i feel like im changin his food too much. The internet said grains and by products and what not can cause too much gas in dogs..which are both in his food, so i may try to get something that doesnt have that. Anyone feed science diet or a holistic food or something i can buy at Petsmart that they think will work for this??
Such as Royal Canin for mini yorkshire 28?? i just became aware of this on the petsmart webpage...i dont see grains or by products in ingredient list....anyone know about this food??

this morning his poop was YELLOW! back to the clay consistency almost, which is better i guess..but WEIRD what is with timmy lol

just got back from buyin royal canin for stomach sensitivity or somethin, and gas pills...and TIMMY threw up in the car on way home..a lot of it. im guessing motion sickness..so lets add that to the list of problems timmy has! I gotta say, im getting REALLY frustrated with this whole situation. Im tryin to keep patient cuz its not his fault, except for the gulping, which is his fault. Im gettin worn out:( I HOPE TO GOD This new food works...if not i may have to call purdue and see if they will look at him. On a good note I LOVE PETSMART! they said they would take the food and pills back if they dont help as long as they arent completely gone..for a full refund or store credit..and the guy said that sensitive systems purina at wal mart (which has a TON left b/c it made him worse) that he would take it back to since they sell it and give me store credit!

gave timmy his first bit of royal canin (prob bout 10-15 pieces) with his wet food, not mixed in, but separately to promote CHEWING of it..and so far so good, he had a little burp at the VERY end of his meal..but thats a big improvement it seems. I also gave him 1/4 of the gas tablet earlier today so that could be helping as well. The food pieces are flat, which i think will help digest it better and chew to smaller pieces better. also the bag says its for sensitive stomachs and promotes good digestion, healthy teeth, and shiny coat..so far so good..GOD i hope it works..if it does and i can get him back on strictly kibble i will be SO HAPPY! lol you would NOT believe how happy i will be. and lets face it, not only am i stressed about timmy all the time, but timmy has to be uncomfortable with this problems..even if he doesnt show it it HAS to be bothering him..which i dont like..i want him to be a happy boy! he def deserves it
FINGERS/PAWS CROSSED FOR continued improvement

yeah my dexter gets car sick and he has ibd so i just leave him at home as too stressful for me watching him vomit and get stressed

sorry i have been gone for a few days for work so just going through this thread and curious was he doing good on vet wet food ? if so why switch him ?

i would spend the 9 a week if it is working as if you do not get this under control it is going to cost you much more in vet bills messing up his esophagus on him vomitting so much - Please just do what works or you may be dealing with more vet bills and health issues not to mention what he is going through also just keep him at home if he gets car sick. He needs to get balanced this has been going on way too long imho and not trying to sound harsh but how would you like to be vomitting alot that is not fun and if that wet food worked please just do that and maybe the vet can work with you on the cost if you buy a case at a time or something. I really strongly feel this is IBD and have the entire time :(

well the vet doesnt think thats it..and he said he doesnt need prescription or vet food either in his opinion. he just told me to try another kind of food until something works since we dont know what it is. i know how to control his throw up from food, so hes not doing it everyday anymore. he doesnt throw up at all on wet food..and he didnt tonite with a little RC kibble either..so im gonna try to switch him to that slowly and see. again since they are small and for small dog digestion i think maybe itll work. i honestly still think the problem is how much gas he gets in his stomach, prob from something in the food or something. i cant stick with the wet b/c of price..its just too much for me with paying reg bills and xtra rent for the pets. but i think this new food will work, and if it doesnt i may call purdue and ask them b/c i heard they do some things for free just for the teaching process so students can see how the vet works on diagnosis and what not..thats a last resort but it may be an option. like i said thou hes not throwing up while eating anymore..so i know how to control that regardless of food..it just takes time. so hes not ruining his esophagus or anythin any more than he already had. he does spit up randomly like a baby now, which he never did on dry food (but maybe that could be his meds?) but theres no wretching or hacking or anything when that happens...he just stops and a tiny bit of vomit rolls off his tongue from what i can tell..and again vet said he didnt know what caused that, so just to try another food and see if theres an improvement.
also i didnt know he got carsick cuz ive never had that problem with him before and he doesnt act stressed at all in the car, opposite actually. but now that he has done it twice, i probably will just leave him at home more often. i think it may have to do with being in the stroller or the cart at the store thou, cuz ive never noticed it before until now..after riding in those 2 things..

he does BURP everytime he eats wet food..which still makes me think he has problems with gas, that are not gone just cuz hes on wet food..but dont get me wrong..IF we cannot solve this problem any other way...i will find a way to pay for the wet food for my baby..BUT that will be a last resort for me, b/c like i said..expensive, and i think it can be solved with other means somehow..and i DOUBT that the puppy mill breeder fed him wet..

Gas, throwing up and all that jazz!!
 

suz
Donating Yorkie Yakker



A lot of times, when a dog is rescued, they have come from a place that either has too many dogs, or the owners don't really care about them. Your dog might think that when you feed him, it will be the last meal he EVER gets. I think I'd start out feeding him small meals throughout the day. I know it may be a hassle, but if it works, it will be worth it!! Once he figures out that he will get food on a regular basis, he should start to slow down eating. Then you can start backing down on the number of times he gets fed per day. Granted, this way my take quite a while, but he may not know that he doesn't have to gulp his food. Making him wait to eat may only worsen the problem. Good luck with him.

Suz
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Thanx:)
ya, once i get him back on kibble successfully..if i can..then i probably will do that..i just always feel so bad cuz he acts like hes starving when its food time. i have tried putting the food in a kong toy, and a brake fast bowl..and once he figured them out..he still gets it out fast and throws up. but i havent let him do that in a long while since i figured out i could control it with smaller portions over 10-15 min or so. i do think ill try that throughout the day thou..it cant hurt, and i really do want him to know ill always feed him! i already sit in bathroom with him while he eats and feed my pom in living room so he doesnt feel competitive. At this point, i will try anything i feel like! lol and i come home for lunch everyday, so i can def add at least one more small meal into his day easily...

Trust your vet and your gut instinct. I think you are doing a marvelous job of parenting. :) If it leads you down another path later on, so be it; but for now I think you are figuring him out quite well. You are the one who lives with him!

how does vet know it is not ibd ?

There is nothing to determine ibd in a dog other than signs and scoping and he has not been scoped only barium swallow test which would not determine ibd :( many in this breed have ibd

the clinda is a strong antibiotic as mine is on it and it can make them vomit but i am doing 1/2 food clinda then 1/2 food so far so good

i just feel bad for him and hope you can get him balanced on a diet - what about a wet food that is not a vet food like newman's own organic as that is high in grains and may work

also ibd dogs do better eating 3-4 smaller meals a day - kibble is very hard to digest so probably why wet food is working better for him. If this is ibd and eventually does not get under control then lymphangiecstasia can occur and why I really feel strongly to stick to what works :(

i bet he has had this problem for a while and they just did not care :( sadly - I really doubt this happened overnight when you got him. Burping can be from ibd as well as the intestines get inflamed and air gets caught in intestines. This is why it is not good to feed a dog with ibd raw diet as the food gets caught in intestinal tract leading to potential ecoli and salmonella issues

he said it COULD be ibd, but its on the very bottom of his list b/c he throws up so fast that his food wouldnt have had time to get to the intestines yet, which makes sense. I will only do wet food if i cant figure anything else out, but im def gonna stick with the RC and see if it works first cuz the pieces are way smaller than the Euk, and its supposed to aid in digestion. Also i read that grains are bad for the dog b/c they cause xcess gas, so thats why im tryin foods without grains for now.Like i said, he only throws up while eating if im testing something new out..but thats rare..ive been doin everythin to avoid that. he has me so worried that im tryin to research so much and try everything i need to..hes SUCH a good doggie..and i HATE that ppl can have dogs and not take care of them like his previous owner. The only thing that makes me wonder is that the first day i got him he threw up (i assume from nerves) but it looked like normal vomit, but ever since a few days or so after that, he started the throw up while eating..so that makes me think/worry that i could be something here..aka his food..or a home allergy or something..

Oh gosh...I have said it before....going to say it again: Timmy is SUCH a lucky boy to have ended up in your care! :)

Thank you for taking him in and loving him so much! When you finally solve this, he is going to be the most devoted pupster ever...I really believe these pups know they have been given a second chance.