thanx:) im really trying...he is SO cute and such a good little boy..he deserves to have this solved. i have started feeding him a small meal on my lunch also (part of his usual breakfast portion)..and i think ill keep up with that, so maybe he will learn that food will always be close by eventually and stop gulping. if not, and he DOES have ibd (god forbid) then i guess the xtra meal time will help out too.

i doubt it is a home allergy as i have dealt with allergies for almost 6 years now and this is not something allergy dogs do from environmental allergies now food intolerance yes and ibd dogs do better on grains than white potato foods - i have not heard that grains cause gas in dogs and i read alot on this stuff as my dog has ibd but he is not on grains - he is on a hydrolized soy diet that has worked for 4 years but it is dry only - soy is a highly digestible protein as is fish and why liver disease dogs do well on it as well

Corn absolutely does cause gas in dogs! Now, I don't know about immediate gas that causes vomiting, but anything is possible.

Here...not sure of this resource....it is just something I googled quickly as I don't have time now to stay online....but it does talk about grains and gas which I already know is a fact.

Dog Gas: What Causes Doggy Flatulence ? and What Can You do About It?

thats ONE of the webpages i found while researching as well.

ya i didnt think it was a home allergy either..so thanx for agreeing with me:) at least i dont have to worry about that for now with some confirmation that it doesnt make much sense. That just leaves my food theory. i can include an ingredient list of the new food i bought if you wanna see:confused: i dunno cuz hes not ON the new RC yet officially so it wont tell you if it causes anything obviously, just if its good new one. The throwing up like a baby randomly is getting irritating now, b/c it looks different every time, but always tiny bit. Like i said, never did it before wet food, so i hope to god it stops if i can get him off of it..cuz theres no warning that he's going to do it at all..and he will do it ANYWHERE in a second.
On the same note..he spit up a tiny bit about 1-2 after having his interceptor today...Will he still get the effects of it?? like i said tiny bit, but still...

i do not give interceptor as we do not have a heart worm issue here but maybe others can comment or vet as i personally would not want to give another pill

that is wild as demi is on newman's own organic a high grain diet and has been for years and never burps or has gas so that is odd but then she is very healthy so may be why

possibly adding fiber like pumpkin to diet might help as i know dh is big on using fiber every night he takes metamucel to keep things moving and he will kill me for saying this lol so shhhhh but he never has gassy issues and he feels it is because he does this religiously every evening. Just thought of this as it may push the food through better to not allow air to build up in intestines. I use organic pumpkin daily with dd and i mix in her probiotics in it and works really well as she is not having any diarrhea anymore

Every pup is different!

As for the Interceptor...if you did not see it, I am sure it was dissolved and all is fine! :) You could call the vet on Monday to double check.

ya he threw up during dinner tonite as well:( i dont know how much more of this i can take. i know the new food has to be introduced gradually and may take up to a month to see results but i dont wanna watch him throw up anymore! im getting depressed about this..i love him so much, as he is SUCH a good dog and seems so happy with us. I want an answer. I already spent all my money doing the previous tests that proved nothing..and i have a feeling taking him to purdue would cost a ton, but if im going to get a second opinion, i want it to be the best. Purdue University has a veterinary diagnostics department, so that seems to me to be MAYBE the only option left. I dont know what else to do..i am sick of trying diff foods and feeding methods..i want to KNOW what he has that is causing this so i can treat it properly...and if that is feeding slower, so be it..but i want to KNOW what his condition is..i cant take it anymore:( i hate things with no answers..so i refuse to admit that there isnt one!

Maybe you can ask your vet to do a consult with Purdue? Sometimes they can do that without actually going there. They could send the records and have them reviewed.

My vet and her partners do that with a group of specialists in this area....they meet once/month and all of the vets get together and discuss cases. Sometimes they are able to manage the pups without having to send them to the specialist. It works out really well...our vets learn more and it also saves the clients money.

My vet has also placed calls to Texas A&M Small Animal Clinic and discussed cases with them.

Maybe Purdue would be able to suggest another avenue for your vet and for you ... many times large universities see a lot of things that smaller vets do not see.

i agree! i just used the email addresses to 2 vets in lafayette and the purdue vet diagnostics dept and emailed them everything i could think of that they may need to know, asking for a second opinion. i'm sure they wont all answer, but hopefully at least ONE will answer my email. If they dont answer in a few days i probably will call my vet about doing a consult with purdue.
Thanks so much for the advice:)

yeah i am like you i want answers and why this allergy situation with my dd drives me crazy as there is no real cure just trying to keep her comfortable and it stinks so i know how you feel. Honestly at this point you may have to have him scoped :( How long has this been going on for? I would call vet and discuss on monday - have you been writing everything down and logging when he vomits etc if so i would fax that all to vet and see if he can discuss with internal medicine specialist. When dex was off and on vomitting and we were trying to figure it all out the ims told me i had two options scope him or put him on purina ha as last food to try so i went with food and thank goodness it worked - had it not worked i would have had to scope him to confirm ibd before they would treat him with medication like steroids but due to his pancreatitis i was very scared to do prednisone as that can trigger pancreatitis as well so i had a very touchy situation and had spent 10k over a year getting him treated off and on for vomitting and pancreatitis so she said this is most likely ibd but unless he is scoped we cannot give a firm diagnosis but she believed this was what was going on. It is true dex held the food down a bit before he vomitted it up BUT with colitis my dee dee vomitted the food immediately up after eating and they can have stress colitis in small intestines. Remeber the more frustrated you get the more it stresses him out and believe me it is really hard not to get stressed when they are sick i totally understand that.

here is some info on burping, gas

Can dogs ?fart? or get ?gas??

bloat and it can happen in small dogs not just large breeds as it happened to a maltese whose owner is a vet tech on my maltese group - i am not saying he has bloat but read some of the things that can lead to it

Is Your Dog at Risk for Bloat?

i stopped doing the log after i took him to the vet for the barium. i have a feeling my vet didnt even look at it, but i dunno. i have read about gas and bloat as well..:( i def need an answer..i may have to do the scope thing if i need to..i just want to know the answer. we have no idea if he was doing this at the breeders house, so it couldve been going on for 3 yrs! i asked the shelter and they said they saw him puke once after drinking water fast..which i have never seen from him, so i dunno

timmy did well with dinner tonite:) i am trying to get him to stop gulping...i make him sit first, then give him some..then if he is gulping too much i take it away from him for a min, then hold the bowl down to him and feed him that way..if he takes his head out of the bowl to chew, i praise him and wait til he sits down to give him more. Then i waited til he burped, then gave him about 15 pieces of kibble, doing the same thing with the bowl (me holding it down to him and only letting him get one or 2 pieces at a time) he did fine:) then he got his last serving of wet food..same way..and then burped at end of meal. I'd say this was a good feeding

glad to hear that :) you may need to mix wet with dry that might help

More and more this sounds like it is simply a problem of him gulping and swallowing air.

i would continue to feed him just the way you did tonight. If the Brake Fast bowl is not slowing him down, just feed him small bits at a time. Hopefully, this might solve the problem

i tried that the other day and he didnt even attempt to chew the dry parts! i really am starting to think he has a problem with chewing/eating and i dont know if you can even fix that when he has been doin it wrong his whole life. even when i give him the new kibble by itself its ONE crunch and then nothing..so he only bites into it once then swallow..this kibble is way smaller/flatter so maybe its OK but goodness he needs to learn how to eat! lol
good feeding this morning as well btw doing same thing:)

however i left him in the bathroom so spice could finish her food and he scratched the hell out of himself and lost a bunch of chunks of hair!! and that problem had seemed to be over recently, or at least i havent noticed it as much in the last few weeks. i only notice him scratching around his harness..and sometimes at his mouth after eating wet food (but he gets some on his beard). he does roll around like a psycho a lot in his beds also..so i dunno if thats scratching or playing..again though my vet saw no signs of skin problems at last visit

Could this be an allergy to his harness? Or maybe just an irritation to the flea treatment i gave him sat nite? I gave him a bath sunday around noon, and it was Mon morn with the scratching hair out of his harness area. I still dont see obvious spots of missing hair AT ALL though. I tried to inspect him, but he was in play mode and wasnt very cooperative. lol

On a good note, he seems in better spirits lately:) he plays a lot more and its TOO CUTE!!! his tiny tail wagging in the air is adorable beyond words. :animal36

i found a suggestion on yahoo that said to put his food in a muffin tin! i may actually try that one. his meal is pretty small anyway b.c he is, so that may be perfect to put a tiny bit in every other muffin slot or something. I'll update after i try it..lol i dont expect much, and it is weird, but maybe it'll get him in the habit of eating slower. I am doing VERY well with the method im doing now thou..but when hes on Strictly kibble again (if possible) it would take forever to do it the way i am now, which is holding the dish for him and only letting him take one or two pieces at a time, then kinda pulling it away until he chews (praising him of course) and then letting him have another bite.

I think im stressin less about all of this now (hopefully i feel that way next time he pukes)..watchin him be happy and play with spice makes it worth it. They even sleep in the same bed at night voluntarily, even though they have separate beds in the cage:) too cute

that is how mine eat too on crunch then swalllow so pretty normal. When they cleaned the teeth did the do xrays to make sure no absess tooth or anything as just cleaning you will not see if there is a problem below the gum line - just a shot in the dark on that

i dont think they did xrays for his face. They did ones for everything else, but they just told me he had receding gums or something that caused the roots to show which couldve been painful to him (which is why they took them out.) Im glad the one chew is normal though:) hes done so well with the way im doing it now, so we'll see when hes on all kibble. but i am just gonna try to recondition him to understand to eat one or 2 pieces at a time like my pom does. It may take quite a long time, but i think after a while he may start getting the point. Plus im doing the small meal on my lunch now too, which i think really is helping him stay full better and slowing him down a little. Plus now that im pretty sure its probably not food allergy related, i can give him a treat every now and then, like those ones for his teeth..and maybe that'll fill him up a little so hes not starving for dinner.

what problems u mean that xray couldve found? what would that cause?

Those treats for his teeth.....I hope you are not referring to Greenies. If so, I would strongly advise you not use those. They had a history of causing blockages and they say the formula is different now, but I do not trust them.

ya they are not Greenies brand..they are green but they are from biglots and they are just little bone things..i havent given any yet, but my mom gives them to her scottie and his teeth are BRIGHT white

Be very careful. If they are edible and can break off, a piece could end up lodged in his GI tract. I think you have enough going on now. :p Those kinds of treats always scare me. I have yet to find a dental treat that I feel is safe.

well i had these teeny tiny rawhide bones that i gave him and my pom. Spice takes FOREVER on them, but loves them. Timmy worried me b/c he ate all of his in a day and thats when i started worrying about things bein caught somewhere. They both love them, but it worried me. I def need to keep their teeth healthy though w him havin gum disease already. Maybe ill just buy some oversized rawhides i know will take them forever to chew. lol

when they put mine out for dental they do full mouth xrays and that is the only way they know if they have abssesses as that is at the roots and no way they can see in a normal cleaning and abssesses are very painful. I cannot believe they did a dental cleaning and put him under anesthesia and did not do xrays? that does not sound right to me especially if he said he has gum disease ? My friends dog had no loose teeth and when they did xray her dog had 7 abssess teeth. He was not eating - i would just call vet and ask if he did mouth xrays while under for teeth cleaning as they usually do that

nothing replaces brushing teeth so get chlorhexedine pet dental wipes from www.drsfosterandsmith.com as that is what dentist use to keep bacteria down in mouth when they do dentals and a non-anesthetic dental cleaner told me this is what she uses as well

Rawhide is just as bad or worse! Rawhide can cause choking or blockages. Lots of people use bully sticks, but I personally don't like them either. Brushing their teeth is actually the best thing to do.

ok ill look into the wipey things..its just IMPOSSIBLE to get him to hold still for it cuz he doesnt like ppl touchin his mouth and hes so squirmy.
maybe they did xray i have no idea, if its a normal thing they prob did and thats prob why cleaning are so expensive. my bill from that day does have x ray listed like 3-4 times (2 different places on bill) so maybe one was for teeth and the rest were for barium.