The vet killed my lexie!!!!

[AprilLove]

I am so sorry for your loss.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by chachi

I have never seen anyone mention that their vet used that type of anesthesia or ever saw Elley May or one of the medical experts on here mention it.

I have heard of it by it's other name "Fluothane". I don't believe most vets use this type anesthesia any longer.

[bjh]

Originally Posted by YorkieBuddy

Sorry about the dumb question, but what exactly does the bloodwork tell them? How the heart is functioning?

Blood work is used to see if the liver and other organs are functioning correctly. A example would be if a dog had a undiagnosed liver problem and underwent surgery they would be more likely to have a problem handling the anesthesia and pain medicines.

Here is a website that explains the blood panel and what it is for.
BLOOD-TEST-EXPLAINED

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Leesha

This is what they used on my yorkie. Halothane.

THE HAEMODYNAMIC EFFECTS OF HALOTHANE IN DOGS -- HUGHES 45 (5): 416 -- British Journal of Anaesthesia

Analogue techniques were applied to measurements of phasic aortic blood flow and pressure to obtain continuous recordings of peripheral vascular resistance and circulatory function in open-chest dogs during basal narcosis with chloralose. Whereas the hypotension following hexamethonium 1 and 3 mg/kg i.v. was associated with a marked fall in peripheral vascular resistance and some reduction of maximum acceleration and cardiac output, the hypotension during ventilation with 1 and 2% halothane was associated with a large reduction in maximum acceleration (i.e. cardiac depression) and cardiac output with a relatively small fall in peripheral vascular resistance. In closed-chest dogs 1–2% halothane caused falls in arterial blood pressure and heart rate similar to those after hexamethonium 1–3 mg/kg i.v. without comparable impairment of either vagally-induced bradycardia or the contractions of the nictitating membrane due to sympathetic nerve stimulation. Ganglion blockade did, however, become prominent with concentrations of 4% halothane. It is thought that diminished central vasomotor tone, a reduction of the effects of the sympathetic mediator on blood vessels and a direct relaxant effect of halothane on vascular smooth muscle also contribute importantly to the peripheral vascular depression.

SORRY BUT ALL VETS SHOULD KNOW THIS!!!

Do a google search for Halothane. I posted that link to show the percentages of dogs who die under anesthesia. I honestly did not see that you wanted a link about a specific agent.

[Leesha]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

Do a google search for Halothane. I posted that link to show the percentages of dogs who die under anesthesia. I honestly did not see that you wanted a link about a specific agent.

Thanks for the information anyways.
This is not the link you posted. I found this link after finding out what they used on my yorkie and there are other that suggest it not be used as well.

http://www.shooterdog.com/alexfaq3.htm
Alex's Yorkie Care Frequently Asked Questions. Page 3.
My Yorkie needs surgery. What should I know about anesthesia and intubating?
There are a couple of different dangers in surgery for toy dogs and they are not insurmountable, but they are VERY SERIOUS.


1) DON'T ever allow the vet technician to intubate your toy dog. Too many small toy breeds have had TRACHEAL INJURY and suffered and DIED because of collapsing tracheas from injury to the trachea during intubation. Make sure that the vet knows that you expect him/her to use the smallest possible tracheal tube to intubate your toy dog. Speak up! It could mean saving the life of your little dog. If the vet treats you like an "overprotective" Mom, find another vet that will understand.

2) Proper use of Ace Promezaine as a pre-anesthetic injection is ok so that the dog can be intubated.

3) Isoflurane is the anesthetic of choice. Don't use Halothane or any of the barbituates (see number 4, below). Some vets will "mask" a tiny dog with Isoflurane rather than use the injectable and some vets will not intubate at all, but this depends on the type of surgery being performed. This is an excellent method whenever possible.

4) Last but not least, DO NOT ALLOW YOUR VET TO USE ANY KIND OF BARBITUATES TO ANESTHESIZE YOUR TOY DOG. MOST PARTICULARLY NOT PENTABARB. Many toy dogs have died needlessly because of UNINFORMED VETS WHO ARE DECADES BEHIND IN USE OF ANESTHETICS FOR TOY DOGS. If your vet thinks Isoflurane is too expensive and refuses to use it, then FIND ANOTHER VET THAT will use it. It could and probably will save your dog's life.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by chachi

or one of the medical experts on here mention it.

We have vets on YT? I had no idea, but that is great if we do! User IDs?

[chachi]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

We have vets on YT? I had no idea, but that is great if we do! User IDs?

No not vets just pet owners with the most medical knowledge that I know of on here. I already posted their names. Im just trying to help her out

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Leesha

This is not the link you posted. I found this link after finding out what they used on my yorkie and there are other that suggest it not be used as well.

Oh, it just happened to be from the same source.

I just think that you need to slow down and take a deep breath. Since you have so many questions about the type of anesthesia your vet used, why not go speak with him/her about it? I am sure the vet is very upset and would be willing to speak with you if it helped you to understand and deal with this horrible loss you have suffered.

[chachi]

Kalina82 is a vet tech and she may also have some knowledge of that anesthesia

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by chachi

No not vets just pet owners with the most medical knowledge that I know of on here. I already posted their names. Im just trying to help her out

I realize what you were doing. I just saw names...and then saw medical experts and thought you were saying there are some on here. I did not think you were calling anyone without schooling in veterinary medicine experts.

There are a lot of people on here with experience with certain conditions, but I would caution anyone who thinks these people are experts. No disrespect to anyone.

Sadly, I have seen a lot of misinformation on this board....and a lot of good information. When people start thinking an online poster knows more than a vet, bad things can happen to their pets. My best resource in caring for my pups at all times is my vet. Whenever I see a post on here that I think is valuable information, I still go to my vet to verify it...or I go to online reputable sources such as Pubmed or others.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by chachi

Kalina82 is a vet tech and she may also have some knowledge of that anesthesia

I am sure she does!

[Lorrainelola]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I lost a pup on Christmas Eve this year and I was devastated. A friend of mine sent me an email telling me that God needed a yorkie angel and she sent me the following link that has some beautiful writings. While my pain is still there, this website and others I have since found have helped a bit.
Perhaps it will help you:

Portait Of An Angel Pet Loss Poems and Grief Support

Oh dear those poems made me cry and think of my beautiful german shepherd Roxy who went to heaven before she was a year old. I have her ashes in a beautiful box and an angel statue guards her.

We never forget the wonderful pets we have had they are so important to our lives. Somebody on here posted a link for a tiffany lamp in the shape of yorkie. When i looked at the website i found a statue of an angel carrying a yorkie. How fitting for anyone who has lost a yorkie or who just wants the angels to guard over them.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I realize what you were doing. I just saw names...and then saw medical experts and thought you were saying there are some on here. I did not think you were calling anyone without schooling in veterinary medicine experts.

There are a lot of people on here with experience with certain conditions, but I would caution anyone who thinks these people are experts. No disrespect to anyone.

Sadly, I have seen a lot of misinformation on this board....and a lot of good information. When people start thinking an online poster knows more than a vet, bad things can happen to their pets. My best resource in caring for my pups at all times is my vet. Whenever I see a post on here that I think is valuable information, I still go to my vet to verify it...or I go to online reputable sources such as Pubmed or others.

Oh I agree with you but Leesha was wanting specific medical links and I thought the 3 people I listed would have one because they have alot of medical links

[JeanieK]

Originally Posted by vball_chic14

you misspelled incorrect. lol

I know her personally and to attack her like this is uncalled for. She does know her breeding info, she has done her research, who gives a flying heap if she typed spade instead of spay. The point is attacking her is not going to bring her dog back or make her feel any better. She came here for support not ridicule. Have some compassion and until you know her personally or walk in her shoes, don't judge how she types on the computer.

But hers was not a typo or a mispelling, I had stressed the correct term in my first post and she did not even pick up on it, she used the incorrect term repeatedly. if she had researched as much as you claim she would have learned the correct word.

I do feel bad that she lost her dog, we've all lost pets and it is heartbreaking, and to lose them for what is a very routine operation has to be such a shock. My response was to Plumeria, not to the OP.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

I am sure she does!

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I've been following this thread and don't know if the above link will throw any insight to what happened to your Lexi. If nothing else, it may add to your list of questions, guide pet owners in making the correct decisions for their beloved pets.

Vet techs are wonderful, very much the nurses of the veterinary world. However, when surgery medical care & decisions are necessary, I prefer the knowedge of a vet. One of my first questions I ever ask a vet that I'm considering for my crew is: Do you perform your own dental? If the answer is the techs do it.....I move on, informing them that I am paying high prices for veterinary care and expertise.

To the Original Poster....I'm so sorry that you lost your little girl. As far as sueing your vet......I don't know. Just gather and document all you can. I'm sure that you know, no amount of money can replace her. Your main goal is to find out everything you can, in hopes that you can prevent this from happening to anyone else. Just because you signed surgical release forms doesn't mean that you don't have any legal rights. There is a possibility the correct precautions weren't taken by your vet. And then there is a possibility you didn't make the right deicision (pre-op questions and pre-op work-up)