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03-29-2009, 09:55 AM | #31 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tokyo (Edogawa-ku)
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| maybe in a similiar boat Our Scooby, froze up other day. Thought he fell, in a failed attempt to escape a larger Schnauzer, but no-one saw. Largely circumstantial, Vet said Scooby has hyper-extended back leg, which he struggles to use. This could support scenario where jumped failed landed back on hind legs, with one giving out on slippery tile floor causing head trauma. Scooby now looks like a heroin addict, with track marks across three of his four limbs, with an infection on rear hyper-extended leg( getting better). Do not wish to distract focus from your critter, so will create another thread as time permits for my pet's situation, but learning quite a bit from this thread and we can learn from each others experience. Best of luck to you and your companion. -TK |
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03-29-2009, 01:30 PM | #32 |
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| How is Emerson today.
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03-29-2009, 03:59 PM | #33 |
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| Hi... Emerson is fine today....no issues...playful self... Went to the park yesterday and met another member from YT and he had a great time playing with her dog..... I am going to run another BAT on him on Tuesday because he was only 4 months old when I ran the 1st one.....so we just want to make sure it is still in the normal range....I have a feeling it will be. I have put him being adopted on hold.....and am not sure if I will ever adopt him out unless the person has prior experience with seizures.... How is Alfie?
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03-31-2009, 12:25 PM | #34 |
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| Hi Kerrianne Unfortunatly Alfie had another seizure today , it has only been 2 weeks since his last one , but the vet says he wont put him on anything at present , I will wait again and if it is 6 weeks apart then fine but if another in the next 2 weeks Iam going back to see what they say. I really dont want him on medication due to they may give him other side effects but at the same time I want him seizure free , I dont really know the answer to all of this right now and what to do for the best so Iam just taking things as they come and hoping that we get some answers soon. I hope emerson is doing well Hugs Julie
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04-01-2009, 03:40 AM | #35 |
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| I don't understand why they are waiting before giving him meds. I have epilepsy myself. For every seizure you have, a small bit of damage is done. I have been seizure free for 40 years due to medication. I feel even if a dog has a seizure once every month, is too much. I would worry when the next one would be coming, if he would be on the stairs or outside with family by a pool or something. I can understand them wanting to do all tests first, but the one vet clearly said a petit seizure. By the way hun, they may never know WHAT causes a seizure only how to treat it. Usually in people it is a EEG, which is impossible to do on a dog. I had EEG's after a seizure and they were normal. My doctor said most of the time they are normal AFTER the seizure because electircal activity was released thru the seizure and the activity returns to normal. My doctor said sometimes all eeg are normal and they can then only diagnois due to observation. So if all medical tests come back ok with him, a little med can go along way. Good luck with that little darling and keep us posted. |
04-01-2009, 04:12 AM | #36 |
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| So sorry to hear about Alfie....I am thinking of the little guy.... I was lucky that I was able to get Emerson to the vet for her to actually be able to witness the end of his seizure.....where she said it was a petite mal.... up to then we were not sure... I think she was concerned it was low blood sugar due to him being tiny so she wanted blood work done as close to the seizure as possible...his glucose was on the low end of normal..and he had just eaten dinner within the hour....and for some reason she seems to also be leaning towards liver shunt with him....but I had him tested when he was 4 months old.....Emerson also has neurological issues so for him anything could have been going on... My vet wants to wait before putting him on meds because of the long term side effects....and this has been Emerson's 3rd seizure...but I agree he has had three of them within a month...so that is very concerning and the last one was longer than the other two... also she wants to have his bile acids done to check his liver function to rule out shunts and because the seizure meds can harm the liver.... I have changed Emerson's food to low protein which the vet also wanted...so we will see if that makes a difference.. But you are right it is scary not knowing when he could have a seizure... he seems to seek me out when he is going to have one..so he is sensing something....all three times he has tried to get to me.....
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04-01-2009, 11:06 AM | #37 |
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| Hi there we are waiting to see when the next one occurs with Alfie and if it is less than 6 weeks we are going to pursue this with the vet. Sending a little hug to Emerson we seen his photo and he looks adorable.
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04-16-2009, 02:44 PM | #38 |
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| Just wanted to update anyone who has followed this thread... Emerson had another seizure last week. The worst one yet. This week we re-tested his bile levels even though 6 months ago they were basically normal. I wanted to just make sure that he did not have a liver issue, incase he was going to go on seizure medication. This time Emerson's levels bile levels came back high pre: 11 post:85 Emerson is now on a low protein diet and medications/supplements for MVD. I am hoping that this helps with his seizures and will have his bile levels tested again in a month. Please continue to keep Emerson in your prayers.
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04-16-2009, 03:42 PM | #39 |
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| I'm glad you are finally getting some answers. I would urge you to get a Protein C test, though, and not wait another month and recheck bile acids. That will tell you whether you are dealing with MVD or a shunt. Although his post # is under 100 which usually indicates MVD, neurological symptoms are usually not associated with MVD. Dr. Center believes most cases of symptomatic MVD are actually misdiagnosed small shunts. The danger with waiting another month is the chance of more and worse seizures. Not only is there a risk with every seizure, kindling is a concern. Kindling is a phenomenon where the brain actually learns to have seizures by having them: Kindling is the experimental phenomenon whereby repeated stimulation of the brain can eventually induce a chronic epileptic state that persists after the stimulation is stopped. The underlying mechanisms of kindling are incompletely understood but involve changes in the electrical behavior of a group of brain cells. This may be related to alterations of chemical receptors (specifically what are called NMDA subtype of glutamate receptors) and changes in how these brain cells connect with each other through structures called synapses. In a sense, by having repeated seizure the brain "learns" how to have seizures. Think about how a young child learning to write their name has to concentrate when printing each letter. After doing this over and over, we become able to quickly write our name without even thinking about the intricate hand movements involved. Obviously there is some change in our brain that allows this to happen, but it does not have to be a structural lesion. I think of kindling as something similar. The brain is doing what it is designed to do...learn. It is just learning to do something harmful like have a seizure. WB Thomas, DVM Dipl. ACVIM (Neurology) University of Tennessee Knoxville, TN Canine Epilepsy-Frequently asked questions about the diagnosis, treatment and management of seizures in dogs Here is the information on the Protein C test. Comparative Coagulation -- NYS Animal Health Diagnostic Center |
04-18-2009, 03:26 PM | #40 |
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| hi, the vet should know what tests to do. i am suspecting seizures, cause i am new at it also. i rescued a boy yorkie and maltese girl together 1 year ago, and we saw the boy--now 6, doing that same thing you describe. he also has an ever so slight jitter to him. he was having them like 2 times in a few weeks. he got put on liquid phenobarb chicken flavor, 2 times a day, supposedly for the rest of his life. it weird how they stiffen, like their neck too, and all i could do was hold him tight and talk to him, till he come out of them. i hear each time it messes up the brain. the meds seem to be keeping him okay, i just dont like ever so slight grogginess it gives him. i teas and tell him--you in lucy goosey land??? like an hour after he gets it. he is such a sweet boy, and would not harm a fly. my friend knew right away when she saw him, as she had seizure boy for 7 years. my boy "sky" get his bloodwork checked like every 3-4 months. as a matter of fact, he goes this monday for a recheck, as he had 2 real small episodes recently, and i hope they dont up his dose. will see. so, i would def. have them check him for seizures, and these attacks he has, you write each date down, and time, and like how long it goes on and what he does during that time. best to you and your baby, rose |
04-18-2009, 03:30 PM | #41 |
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| so sorry---new at posting on here--- my above message was in reply to the fostor doggie that might be having seizures- rose |
04-19-2009, 06:53 PM | #42 |
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| Hi.... No need to apologize! My foster dog is having seizures and all and any advice is appreciated... We just found out that his bile levels are also very elevated...which they were not 5 months ago (and back then he had no seizures)...so we are working on lowering his levels and having other tests run to determine what type of liver issue he has.... Since he has started his new supplements and low protein diet he seems to be doing well....
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04-19-2009, 08:43 PM | #43 | |
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| Quote:
a liver shunt, that is one of the problems they have. This is a very serious condition, it can result in death if not treated. I don't mean to scare you but this is very serious. What do you feed? If it is a liver shunt, he needs a low protein diet. Please get a bile acid test done Sandy | |
04-20-2009, 05:48 PM | #44 |
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| Hi Chance... I did have his bile acids tested...once at 5 months old and it was in the normal range (before he had seizures)...and then again just the other week, thank goodness we decided to test him again, and this time the post came back at 85 which is high... He is now on a low protein diet and getting supplements. He had the special ultra-sound done and they did not see any shunts... so most likley he has a bunch of small shunts... He is also getting 4 supplements a day along with the low potein diet.... my vet is away on vacation and once she gets back I am going to ask her about the protein c-test.... One of my own dogs has MVD so luckliy I had already most of the supplements he needed... Emerson appears to be doing okay...and am hoping that the supplements are helping to him and he lactulose is ridding him of any toxins he has in his system...
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04-21-2009, 12:35 AM | #45 |
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| Hi Kerrianne, My Manolo has MVD and the Protein C test is what you really need. Most vet may not know about this so make a copy of Dr Tobias page about Protein C test. This test needs to be sent to their labs. Also what really helped me learn what to feed and not to feed was the Yahoo support group for liver shunts and MVD. Pls join and learn...Lots of Luck ....Lissette |
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