OMG Please talk to me

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by TLC

Oh good. Actually, the retest of the BAT was pretty cheap compared to the rest of the stuff. The initial visit is like $130 itself. My total bill for the u/s and everything else came to approx $700

You guys are in my prayers. Mine get retested on Monday and I am scared now

Holy heck. I was thinking a $400 u/s, that's it. We'll hope it's where you live. $130 for them to tell you that she needed an u/s which you already knew?

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by BLEU BOY BARBER

Sweety,

I Read No Chicken Right Here On Yorkie Talk Then I Talked To My Specialists About It And I Was Told Way Too Much Protein In The Chicken And The Liver Can Not Process Like It Is Suppose To ...

I Had Bleu On Baby Gerber Graduate Chicken Per My 2nd Vet And Really Thought I Was Doing What I Was Suppose Todo By Following Vet Orders And The Specialists Told Me For A Liver Condition That Is One Of The Worst Things You Could Feed Your Baby Is Chicken...

I Will Have More Information On This With Bleus Discharge Papers And I Will Scan Fax Email Call Or Whatever Helps You His Entire Liver Work Up ... Luckily Bleus Liver Is Normal In Size And Is Doing Its Proper Job By Breaking Down The Protein And Not Backing Up In His System Causing Bad Toxins. This Is Really As Much As I Know Im Learning But Trust Me I Will Be Educated On The Yorkshire Breed As It Is My Passion Now!

Hugs
Im Praying I Truly Am
Standing In The Gap That The Lord Will Give You Answers And Put People In Your Path To Help You Just As He Has Done Me

Thanks for the info. I have read to stay away from beef, lamb, venison, turkey, duck and rabbit. I'll just add another one to the list. I guess Ellie gets soy and eggs. I just made her 10 days of beef meals too because I thought she was fine.

[TLC]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Holy heck. I was thinking a $400 u/s, that's it. We'll hope it's where you live. $130 for them to tell you that she needed an u/s which you already knew?

Tell me about it: $138 for the visit - $320 for the u/s and the rest for ALL the blood work, etc...

[cindy0721]

oh gosh.. I am soo sorry.. I will keep you guys in my prayers... Let me know if there is anything I can do for you.. you have been so helpful and I want you to know that I am there for you too... hugs...

[bellbuzz07]

sad to hear about Ellie. not too long ago i was on here talking about my liver compromised dog, and you said to join the liver shunt/ MVD group on yahoo. i did, and they have been alot of help. i still don't have a dianosis on my girl yet, looking towards a shunt. but i had a U/S done last week it cost $295. it's usually around $300. unfortunately we were unable to see my girls shunt, so this monday we're getting a scintography done.... good luck to you and Ellie, i know exactly what your going through. also, i would stay away from all meat, give her only dairy protein. (egg, non fat yogurt, cootage cheese.) again, the yahoo group can help you ALOT more on this.. good luck!

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by bellbuzz07

sad to hear about Ellie. not too long ago i was on here talking about my liver compromised dog, and you said to join the liver shunt/ MVD group on yahoo. i did, and they have been alot of help. i still don't have a dianosis on my girl yet, looking towards a shunt. but i had a U/S done last week it cost $295. it's usually around $300. unfortunately we were unable to see my girls shunt, so this monday we're getting a scintography done.... good luck to you and Ellie, i know exactly what your going through. also, i would stay away from all meat, give her only dairy protein. (egg, non fat yogurt, cootage cheese.) again, the yahoo group can help you ALOT more on this.. good luck!

I did post on the group.

I know we will have to go back to different protein now. I thought we were out of the woods so I swtiched to a normal dog's diet.

I so hope we don't have to do a scintography.

[Ladymom]

Has Ellie had a Protein C test yet?

Has your vet spoken to Dr. Center? I belong to a Maltese forum and many of our members have contacted Dr. Center directly and said she has been very helpful.

I am so sorry you are going through this.

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Has Ellie had a Protein C test yet?

Has your vet spoken to Dr. Center? I belong to a Maltese forum and many of our members have contacted Dr. Center directly and said she has been very helpful.

I am so sorry you are going through this.

No she hasn't because they are usually used to get a diagnosis of MVD and we already know she doesn't have it.

She hasn't spoken to Dr. Center. I didn't ask her to because we are going to a specialist anyway. She did send Ellie's biopsy to Colorado State and Dr. Powers did the pathology. She found no MVD and Ellie's vet asked her to look again. I am hoping since it isn't elevated preprandial that it isn't LS but it could be cirrhosis. Maybe these off the wall numbers are normal for her (dreaming).

[BLEU BOY BARBER]

Im Still Praying For Your Baby And For You !

[Ellie May]

The total at the specialist will be $375...not bad.

[BLEU BOY BARBER]

YES ATLEAST YOU ARE IN THE 3 DIGITS

[Yorkieluv]

Did they take several samples of the liver?

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by Yorkieluv

Did they take several samples of the liver?

Uh oh, no they didn't. Is it necessary or just optimal? Ellie's vet decided to do one when she was in the middle of the spay, so I'm not even sure she's done many before. All along she has been saying maybe the sample was too small (but believes it was quite a good piece) and the pathologist said that sometimes the changes with MVD can be so small that the liver looks normal, so she couldn't completely rule it out.

I guess if the u/s shows nothing and we decide not to go with scintography we will do the protocol for MVD because she did well on it before. Am I missing something?

[Yorkieluv]

It's possible that the sample was too small or she didn't take enough samples. Most vets opt to take a couple of samples from different areas. That's why doing a needle biopsy/ultrasound biopsy is not recommended. (I know your vet didn't do one of those).

Also, I would think that the biopsy would have showed cirrhosis or fibrosis if she had it, but again maybe that small sample wasn't enough?

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by Yorkieluv

It's possible that the sample was too small or she didn't take enough samples. Most vets opt to take a couple of samples from different areas. That's why doing a needle biopsy/ultrasound biopsy is not recommended. (I know your vet didn't do one of those).

Also, I would think that the biopsy would have showed cirrhosis or fibrosis if she had it, but again maybe that small sample wasn't enough?

I would think it would've showed cirrhosis but maybe not MVD. The pathologist never said she thought it was too small but I guess she should've taken more than one.

I am a bit nervous right now because Ellie ate 1/2 hour ago and is shaking under a blanket (so she isn't cold) a tiny bit. It was beef too (I know I have to change now). I thought I noticed her shaking a few times after eating but nothing major so I have just written it off.