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View Poll Results: Do you think that there are ethical puppy brokers out there? | |||
Yes | 21 | 29.17% | |
No | 20 | 27.78% | |
Maybe...might be one in a handful | 31 | 43.06% | |
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05-01-2006, 05:35 AM | #1 |
Luvs Lulu Donating Member | Do you think that Brokers are bad? I am curious to see for those of you that have puppies or sell puppies. Do you think that buying from a Broker is a bad move? Do you think that there can be some ethical ones out there?
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05-01-2006, 05:53 AM | #2 |
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| i'm sure they are out there, but they are few and far between. |
05-01-2006, 08:19 AM | #3 |
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| Only one question, why would a caring ethical breeder ever consider selling a dog or puppy through a third party of any sort be it pet store or broker, when you would have no idea or say to where your puppy is going, the conditions it would be living in, no nonbreeding contracts that you can enforce, no idea what would become of the puppy if the home did not work out, no opportunity to provide information to the buyer on the care of the puppy, who the parents are, what to expect, what to avoid in foods, toys, etc in caring for the puppy, advice in how to know when your new puppy could be in trouble medically. Under my contract when I sell a puppy, reselling or rehoming is not allowed, it is to be returned to me any time in its lifetime if the buyer can't keep it for any reason. Question from the buyers point of view buying from a pet store or broker why would you as a buyer pay all that money for a puppy when you have no idea the conditions that puppy was raised under, you aren't going to get guarantees that the seller will stand behind, you have no idea about the parents, grandparents, health issues of same and what they looked like, you do not have an experienced breeder to ask questions about caring for your new puppy, don't have anyone to phone if you run into problems, don't really know if you are a suitable home for a Yorkie or not as a broker/pet store is not going to grill you as I will. Brokers/pet stores are not immersed in the breed so cannot give you the information about Yorkies you will need as a pet owner. Any puppies I have for sale or older dogs I am placing, you get history, you can see parents, grandparents, in some case siblings, cousins, or pictures of same. I can tell you about the personality of your puppy or dog, whether or not it is suitable to your home and lifestyle. I am there 24/7 to give any advice, help, pointers, grooming help, you get a puppy pack of food, comb brush toy treat, appropriate harness and leash, training help and advice, Canadian Kennel Club registration transferring the dog or puppy to your name and ownership at no extra cost to you which will verify that your dog or puppy is a purebred all of which is required by a breeder in good standing with the Canadian Kennel Club and required under the law via the Federal Animal Pedigree Act. As an added note, the cost of registering a litter, doing the individual dog registrations and transfers works out to less than $50 /pup in cost to me which sure as heck isn't much. Should there be a problem with your puppy, you get guarantees for health both genetic and congenital issues there at birth not evident when the pup was young, that may show up later and which I will honour unquestionably once verified by my Vet. Brokers have not put their heart and soul into these live creatures but do see an opportunity to make a living off them. And exactly what sort of breeder do you think would sell through a broker rather than knowing exactly the home their puppy is going to? And exactly how many puppies do you think a beeder would have available to sell that they are selling through a broker? Why would a breeder not want you in their home to sell directly to you rather than going through a third party? This isn't rocket science. |
05-01-2006, 08:55 AM | #4 | |
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Good Points and Good Questions!
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05-01-2006, 09:08 AM | #5 | |
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05-01-2006, 09:56 AM | #6 |
Luvs Lulu Donating Member | mmmmhhhh... Well I think I can see both sides. I have run across breeders and brokers while trying to find a puppy. I think that anything that has to do with money changing hands there is a lot of room for corruption. I have found and heard of a ton of breeders that sell themselves only to be just as bad and unethical as the brokers. Too bad there isn't a way to have this be something honest and straight forward. It really sucks to want to buy yourself a pet/family member and have to slog through so much hassle and sheisty dealings.
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05-01-2006, 10:33 AM | #7 | |
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05-01-2006, 11:05 AM | #8 | |
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05-01-2006, 11:36 AM | #9 | |
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Amen!! | |
05-01-2006, 12:08 PM | #10 | |
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Your job in looking for a puppy is to be as sure as you can of whom you are dealing with and go through all the trouble of finding a good breeder, talking to them, pay the travel expenses to get yourself to them so you can see first hand their dogs and how they are kept. Not a good idea to just get on your computer, pay through credit cards or paypal and have it shipped to you. How do you know where that puppy really is coming from, conditions it was raised in, whether or not the pictures you were sent are really of that puppy or its parents. Some have lucked out and found a puppy that way, many were not so lucky. If you make a bad decision having gone to the breeder yourself, seen the dogs and puppies, then what the heck were you looking at or what stories did you fall for while you were there? As you all know it is a lot of work and expense in finding employment, not near as hard doing the job once you have it as it was to find it. It is a lot of hard work finding a puppy and a good breeder, looking after that dog once you have it is not nearly as hard as what you will likely go through to discern a good breeder and someone you would want to buy from. YOur puppy you are buying you are hoping will be spending anywhere from 12 or 13 years and up with you. It is much more pleasant if the whole experience is a good one and someone you would go to again or recommend without hesitation. Yes buying a pet should not lead you through the dark world of shiesters and bad people. Unfortunately, no matter what you do in life there are the leeches waiting to take your money. It is up to you to weed through the riffraff and stay away from them. | |
05-01-2006, 04:33 PM | #11 |
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| I'm with Lorraine all the way. Brokers, what's the point? They just provide room for corruption and problems IMHO.
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05-01-2006, 07:29 PM | #12 | |
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But if you take your time and do your homework, you can find an ethicfal one, who knows the puppy and it's history and who cares about it. I doubt that you will find any broker that knows or cares about the puppy, all they care about is the money. If you do your homework and find a good breeder, they will see that you get a good puppy. so don't search for a puppy, search for a breeder. Last edited by JeanieK; 05-01-2006 at 07:31 PM. | |
05-01-2006, 07:32 PM | #13 |
Out to Spoil the World! Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Palm Springs, California
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| In most cases I thing the whole Puppy broker thing is a scary idea.... but since I am about to become on.... I have to say that I voted option #3. I will be selling a Pup for my grand mother in the next week, and then once her next litter is ready, I will advertise and sell them for her too.... That kinda makes me a Puppy Broker. Buyers wont get to meet her (the litter owner), they won't get to meet the Stud, unless they want to drive to another location to meet him... They will be comming to my home and meeting me. I will show them the puppies, and I will be interviewing them. Am I bad? I don't think so? will I profit from doing this for her? You bet I will! I am doing Three months of Puppies! Thats cleaning feeding and all of the up keep... I don't even need to tell some of you what a litter of 5 puppies pooping at 8 to 10 weeks is like! Heck yes I will profit! I'm not doing it out of the kindness of my heart! (boy that sounded really bad!) But I am not making a killing... I am just paying myself for my time.... The price of the puppies will not go up... but the amount she will get for them will go down.... And she thinks that is only fair! So I'm kinda a Broker cause they aren't mine, but not really cause I am raising them??? But for the one I am selling next week... I am so a Broker! So I think that sometimes a "Puppy Broker" If thats what you would call me.... Can be a good person... But its the exception and not the rule!
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05-01-2006, 07:39 PM | #14 | |
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I wouldn't call selling your Grandmother's puppies, being a broker. You personally know the breeder and the puppies history. You can get any information that a buyer might want. A broker knows nothing about the dogs they sell, I'm not sure that some of them even know the breed. They just buy low and sell high. They falsify information, they sell one puppy with another puppy's registration, they aren't even sure of the birthdates for them. | |
05-01-2006, 07:41 PM | #15 |
Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago
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| No good brokers; great points mentioned above! Kathryn, I would not say you're a broker for doing that.
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