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Bizzymammabee · 05-03-2006, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorraine

I find it interesting how the first post you did only said you were soon to be a broker selling puppies for your grandmother. Now you have more information as more arguments are given against buying third party puppies.
So, what you are really about is only known to you. I do not change my point of view on brokers and I do not recommend buying via third party sales. If your intent was to bait so be it. If your intent in helping your grandmother is honourable or dishonourable that is up to you.
As the warning is always given it is always buyer beware anyway and it will be up to any buyers of these puppies to be sure what you are about as it would be with anyone buying a puppy or whatever it is you are purchasing.

Lorraine don't you think you are coming off a bit harsh here. I mean in the very beginning it was initially a quick post by Katharyn. I am sure now she feels that she has to post way more on how she is doing things because it seems as though some folks are jumping all over her.

I understand that this is one of those situations where there is controversy. People tend to have an opinon on the subject but I think that everyone is allowed to have their own opinion about it without someone making them feel as though they are not "rocket scientists" or "electronics sales people" or overall just plain old wrong.

In this whole situation there wouldn't be a supply and demand for brokers if there weren't unethical breeders and vice versa. JMHO.

cagray07 · 05-03-2006, 02:18 PM

I just purchased my yorkie from a broker...the facility was spotless, orderless and all the puppys clean and well kept. There were outside exercise pens and he was very knowledgeable about the breeder, his name and location. He has been doing this for 20 years and garanteed his puppys. I pick up "Cooper" on Monday. After reading this forum for several weeks now, I am scared to death about training Cooper and keeping him healthy. Does anyone have any encouraging experiences to share about yorkies?

cheryl000 · 05-03-2006, 06:06 PM

I would NEVER recommend a Broker. They are one of the best methods of selling Puppymill dogs since many of the puppymills are in rural areas and the owners do not have the time to sell so many puppies. Many misrepresent themselves and their dogs. You do not know for sure where they were raised or if their parents are caged. I had accidently called a lady who turned out to be a broker. She of course did not mention that she was a broker until I flat out asked her after doing some research. They are just looking for a profit and I don't see any point in them if you are looking for a well bred dog. If they do offer dogs from different locations it is unhealthy to group them all in one area.

Bizzymammabee · 05-04-2006, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cagray07

I just purchased my yorkie from a broker...the facility was spotless, orderless and all the puppys clean and well kept. There were outside exercise pens and he was very knowledgeable about the breeder, his name and location. He has been doing this for 20 years and garanteed his puppys. I pick up "Cooper" on Monday. After reading this forum for several weeks now, I am scared to death about training Cooper and keeping him healthy. Does anyone have any encouraging experiences to share about yorkies?

Well you are cooper's owner now. So I would say that the first thing you do is to take him immediately upon picking him up to a vet of YOUR choosing and get him thoroughly checked out. Most folks Brokers or Breeders give you a window for the vet check.

Good luck!! You know what you are not the first or last person to buy from a broker so god willing all will go well. It's a learning experience and YT is definitely a place to get help in all times.

cagray07 · 05-04-2006, 06:39 AM

That's just what I am doing....I have a 3-day window to have Cooper checked by my vet...and upon completion, if the vet finds anything wrong, I get another puppy...From what I have read over the past 3 months, issues like the knee slipping, trachea issues and liver shunts all show up later on even with AKC and ACA papered dogs, so....I have to ask myself...If I am not going to breed my dog, why not a broker if I know the history? I pick up Cooper on Monday night, the vets on Tuesday morning....I'll let you know...By the way, the price of his puppies, with or without papers was the same. Go figure!

Bizzymammabee · 05-04-2006, 06:43 AM

Well knee slipping they will be able to see it a bit now. I had Lex's knees checked when I took him for his physical. How old is Cooper? How big? What sort of health guaranty did the broker give you on congenital diseases? Were you able to check the broker's vet references? The liver shunt they can do the blood testing on it but I think that the pup has to fast before hand. Not sure about all the details on that one.

sneri13 · 05-04-2006, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorraine

Only one question, why would a caring ethical breeder ever consider selling a dog or puppy through a third party of any sort be it pet store or broker, when you would have no idea or say to where your puppy is going, the conditions it would be living in, no nonbreeding contracts that you can enforce, no idea what would become of the puppy if the home did not work out, no opportunity to provide information to the buyer on the care of the puppy, who the parents are, what to expect, what to avoid in foods, toys, etc in caring for the puppy, advice in how to know when your new puppy could be in trouble medically. Under my contract when I sell a puppy, reselling or rehoming is not allowed, it is to be returned to me any time in its lifetime if the buyer can't keep it for any reason.
Question from the buyers point of view buying from a pet store or broker why would you as a buyer pay all that money for a puppy when you have no idea the conditions that puppy was raised under, you aren't going to get guarantees that the seller will stand behind, you have no idea about the parents, grandparents, health issues of same and what they looked like, you do not have an experienced breeder to ask questions about caring for your new puppy, don't have anyone to phone if you run into problems, don't really know if you are a suitable home for a Yorkie or not as a broker/pet store is not going to grill you as I will. Brokers/pet stores are not immersed in the breed so cannot give you the information about Yorkies you will need as a pet owner.
Any puppies I have for sale or older dogs I am placing, you get history, you can see parents, grandparents, in some case siblings, cousins, or pictures of same. I can tell you about the personality of your puppy or dog, whether or not it is suitable to your home and lifestyle. I am there 24/7 to give any advice, help, pointers, grooming help, you get a puppy pack of food, comb brush toy treat, appropriate harness and leash, training help and advice, Canadian Kennel Club registration transferring the dog or puppy to your name and ownership at no extra cost to you which will verify that your dog or puppy is a purebred all of which is required by a breeder in good standing with the Canadian Kennel Club and required under the law via the Federal Animal Pedigree Act. As an added note, the cost of registering a litter, doing the individual dog registrations and transfers works out to less than $50 /pup in cost to me which sure as heck isn't much. Should there be a problem with your puppy, you get guarantees for health both genetic and congenital issues there at birth not evident when the pup was young, that may show up later and which I will honour unquestionably once verified by my Vet.
Brokers have not put their heart and soul into these live creatures but do see an opportunity to make a living off them. And exactly what sort of breeder do you think would sell through a broker rather than knowing exactly the home their puppy is going to? And exactly how many puppies do you think a beeder would have available to sell that they are selling through a broker? Why would a breeder not want you in their home to sell directly to you rather than going through a third party?
This isn't rocket science.

Perfectly stated.

YorkieRose · 05-04-2006, 07:16 AM

Quote...Please don't for a single minute think that I am defending "Brokers" as a whole.... I just ask that we not burn the whole library down because most of the books are bad....

If most of the books are bad, I say, burn the Library!

I see nothing wrong in helping someone place a litter of puppies/adults, due to illness or emergancy...I have done this for club members...but to broker as your income is not reputable to me.

Bizzymammabee · 05-04-2006, 07:26 AM

What about breeders that have this as their sole means of support as well? There are many people out there that breeding dogs is their main source of income and they live rather well.

If we are to burn the whole library due to some bad books (brokers) then the same would have to be said for a library of breeders. I am sure that for every two good, ethical breeders out there that there is one bad one that is all about the all might dollar. To burn the whole library is bad as it's a generalization of all. I think that most good breeders wouldn't like to be generalized as though they are bad or shady because there are a lot of bad ones out there. JMO

YorkieRose · 05-04-2006, 08:10 AM

The quote was MOST..would you buy food from a grocery store where most of the food was bad..or even 1/3 of it...we will never agree and that is fine..
I would not deal with a breeder who breeds as their living either. I have seen what happens with these breeders so many times, over and over...I am just sick of it all..!

Amber_lv · 08-20-2006, 09:15 PM

If they are buying them from a puppymill and keeping them in business how could they be good they are bad!

cagray07 · 08-21-2006, 08:19 AM

Cooper is now 7 months old and HEALTHY, HAPPY! and the best dog I ever had. I didn't pay $1000 or $2000 or even $3000. I would NEVER pay that kind of money to anyone for a dog. I paid $600 and I would put Cooper up against ANY breeder's dog.... So as far as I'm concerned...it IS about the money, if it wasn't why are all you breeders selling your dogs for thousands when you could be selling for $600!....

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05-03-2006, 02:18 PM	#32
cagray07 Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 19	Newbie I just purchased my yorkie from a broker...the facility was spotless, orderless and all the puppys clean and well kept. There were outside exercise pens and he was very knowledgeable about the breeder, his name and location. He has been doing this for 20 years and garanteed his puppys. I pick up "Cooper" on Monday. After reading this forum for several weeks now, I am scared to death about training Cooper and keeping him healthy. Does anyone have any encouraging experiences to share about yorkies?

05-04-2006, 06:43 AM	#36
Bizzymammabee Luvs Lulu Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 6,931 Blog Entries: 1	Issues Well knee slipping they will be able to see it a bit now. I had Lex's knees checked when I took him for his physical. How old is Cooper? How big? What sort of health guaranty did the broker give you on congenital diseases? Were you able to check the broker's vet references? The liver shunt they can do the blood testing on it but I think that the pup has to fast before hand. Not sure about all the details on that one. __________________ Lulu will always be in my heart

05-04-2006, 07:26 AM	#39
Bizzymammabee Luvs Lulu Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 6,931 Blog Entries: 1	Breeder/Broker What about breeders that have this as their sole means of support as well? There are many people out there that breeding dogs is their main source of income and they live rather well. If we are to burn the whole library due to some bad books (brokers) then the same would have to be said for a library of breeders. I am sure that for every two good, ethical breeders out there that there is one bad one that is all about the all might dollar. To burn the whole library is bad as it's a generalization of all. I think that most good breeders wouldn't like to be generalized as though they are bad or shady because there are a lot of bad ones out there. JMO __________________ Lulu will always be in my heart

05-04-2006, 08:10 AM	#40
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	brokers The quote was MOST..would you buy food from a grocery store where most of the food was bad..or even 1/3 of it...we will never agree and that is fine.. I would not deal with a breeder who breeds as their living either. I have seen what happens with these breeders so many times, over and over...I am just sick of it all..!

05-03-2006, 06:06 PM	#33
cheryl000 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: none Posts: 1,495	I would NEVER recommend a Broker. They are one of the best methods of selling Puppymill dogs since many of the puppymills are in rural areas and the owners do not have the time to sell so many puppies. Many misrepresent themselves and their dogs. You do not know for sure where they were raised or if their parents are caged. I had accidently called a lady who turned out to be a broker. She of course did not mention that she was a broker until I flat out asked her after doing some research. They are just looking for a profit and I don't see any point in them if you are looking for a well bred dog. If they do offer dogs from different locations it is unhealthy to group them all in one area.

05-04-2006, 06:39 AM	#35
cagray07 Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 19	That's just what I am doing....I have a 3-day window to have Cooper checked by my vet...and upon completion, if the vet finds anything wrong, I get another puppy...From what I have read over the past 3 months, issues like the knee slipping, trachea issues and liver shunts all show up later on even with AKC and ACA papered dogs, so....I have to ask myself...If I am not going to breed my dog, why not a broker if I know the history? I pick up Cooper on Monday night, the vets on Tuesday morning....I'll let you know...By the way, the price of his puppies, with or without papers was the same. Go figure!

05-04-2006, 07:16 AM	#38
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Quote...Please don't for a single minute think that I am defending "Brokers" as a whole.... *I just ask that we not burn the whole library down because most* of the books are bad....** If most of the books are bad, I say, burn the Library! I see nothing wrong in helping someone place a litter of puppies/adults, due to illness or emergancy...I have done this for club members...but to broker as your income is not reputable to me.

08-20-2006, 09:15 PM	#41
Amber_lv Peeka Boo I See You! Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 7,161 Blog Entries: 3	If they are buying them from a puppymill and keeping them in business how could they be good they are bad! __________________ Peeka-Boo-Daisy-Designs <---Click Here Peeka's MyspaceDaisy's Myspace Peeka's Dogster

08-21-2006, 08:19 AM	#42
cagray07 Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 19	Bottom line... Cooper is now 7 months old and HEALTHY, HAPPY! and the best dog I ever had. I didn't pay $1000 or $2000 or even $3000. I would NEVER pay that kind of money to anyone for a dog. I paid $600 and I would put Cooper up against ANY breeder's dog.... So as far as I'm concerned...it IS about the money, if it wasn't why are all you breeders selling your dogs for thousands when you could be selling for $600!....