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View Poll Results: How do you feel about a NEW SECTION about Puppy Mills | |||
YES - I want to learn more and would read & post in this section | 30 | 100.00% | |
NO - It's too upsetting, I would not read or post in it at all | 0 | 0% | |
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11-30-2005, 08:18 AM | #16 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: ***
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| I would suggest to write to Animal Planet. I am very surprised : PM is SO big problem in the US, but i have NEVER seen any movies about this although I always watch animal channel. |
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11-30-2005, 08:20 AM | #17 |
YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SoCal
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| Just as a note, you guys had better be careful when posting up information about an individual that you believe/suspect of being a puppy mill. Making false accusations can lead you into a lot of trouble. You can be charged w/ libel, defamation of character, etc...And even IF what you are saying is true, you can still get in trouble for it. There was an incident a couple of years back where an unhappy customer posted up his dissatisfaction about work done by an automotive dealer/shop. The dealer ended up suing this customer for libel and won. Let me ask you this. HOW do you think you can help by posting up this information? |
11-30-2005, 08:26 AM | #18 |
Donating YT 7000 Club Member | did you look at the pictures? I think its pretty obvious those dogs aren't being properly cared for. Wheather they are a puppy mill or not, the dogs aren't in very good condition.
__________________ Megan "I have my dreams, I have made plans." - The Pirate Queen All Gave Some; Some Gave All |
11-30-2005, 08:29 AM | #19 |
Monte, Mone't's Joy! Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MD
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| Yes, this would be a wonderful addition to this forum...Thanks Villette for the poll!
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11-30-2005, 08:34 AM | #20 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Texas
Posts: 56
| I think this is a wonderful idea. I bought my baby from what I would consider as puppy mill, not knowing at the time, and ended up with tons of vet bills because he was sick..........long story short....I would like to hear how other people are fighting the battle against mills in their areas. |
11-30-2005, 08:44 AM | #21 |
Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado
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| This is just a though but what if we had a section that stated: Why you do not want to buy a dog from a pet store or mass breeder and list like 10 things (the number doesn't matter but what you are trying to do is get people's attention) and then have all these links to all the different websites. To me the important thing is to make people who are just starting to search for a dog understand what could happen if they bought spur of the moment because they were so cute. A lot of people will not take the time to read the different articles but some will. It would also be nice if we could have a section on recommended breeders but I suppose that opens up a whole can of worms.
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11-30-2005, 08:48 AM | #22 | |
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__________________ Megan "I have my dreams, I have made plans." - The Pirate Queen All Gave Some; Some Gave All | |
11-30-2005, 08:52 AM | #23 |
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| And even IF what you are saying is true, you can still get in trouble for it well... i personally had a big fight. I asked about my breeder on public forum. OMG, I received MANY privat e-mails and some people wrote on public forum. Most of people were afraid to put their names, etc. The reason - the puppy miller, we spoke about, has a good loyer and she scares people alot. I wrote about her lie also. She called me and was trying to scare me too. But I am not that type of girl . My hubby shut her mouth very fast Than I received many nasty e-mails from her friends that I cannot even speak good English (it's my second language). Anyway, people are very careful. Let's say, although that breeder has a big file with complaints, she could have more if all people who had problems with her, reported her. But they do not do that unfortunately. |
11-30-2005, 09:00 AM | #24 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: ***
Posts: 647
| HOW do you think you can help by posting up this information? this is PUBLIC forum and people can say all they want. Nothing wrong. it is not easy to sue somebody because of its opinion on public forum, NOT easy. I believe, information is very important. |
11-30-2005, 09:00 AM | #25 |
BANNED! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Muscle Shoals
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| I think its a great idea...... |
11-30-2005, 09:02 AM | #26 | |
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__________________ Megan "I have my dreams, I have made plans." - The Pirate Queen All Gave Some; Some Gave All | |
11-30-2005, 09:15 AM | #27 |
My Yorkie is my life Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, Texas
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| i think it would be good and we can find out info on how to stop them!
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11-30-2005, 09:37 AM | #28 | |
Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado
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Actually it is very easy to sue, winning the case is another situation. It still takes lawyers and $$$ to fight a lawsuit even if you win you lose because of the amount of $$$ you had to pay out. This site could be shutdown because of a lawsuit. I have seen rescue's shut down because of lawsuits, not that they were wrong just didn't have the $$$ to fight it. If you start reading all the documentation on puppy mills you rarely will see someones name until the end of the trial. There is a reason for this and that is because of lawsuits. I can't remember if it was on this thread or another but a YTer had excellent advise on the steps you need to take if you bought a puppy mill dog that died. Her advise was excellent on something else I would like to see keep on this page. One of her points was contacting the BBB=Better Business Bureau, not that they could do alot but now it is a public record. I realize alot of people have passion about this but the only way it is going to change is if everyone understands it is all about laws, not passion. You might find it interesting that YTCA does not support the PAWS legislation. http://www.ytca.org/mainview.htm Dear Members, The Board of Directors of the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America, Inc. has passed a motion of nonsupport of the PAWS Legislation . We do not support Senate Bill 1139, House Bill 2669, being the same bill. It is our Board’s decision that this legislation is not in the best interest of the Yorkshire Terrier Breed. The objects of our club encourage and promote quality breeding of purebred Yorkshire Terriers. We set the standard of excellence for our breed with the breeding and showing of our dogs. It is our responsibility to improve our breed and encourage the preservation of its characteristics and its health and well being.. We feel it is our responsibility to continue these efforts for our Breed and for anyone who wishes to own a healthy, well socialized Yorkshire Terrier. We therefore do not support legislation federalizing hobby breeding in our homes. We encourage our members to write the Agriculture Committee, their Representative and both their Senators. A sample letter will be provided on our YTCA Bulletin Board for your information. Again, we oppose the PAWS legislation. Regards, Janet Jackson
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11-30-2005, 09:38 AM | #29 | |
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For instance, I do not recommend ... because...: - she doesn't show the parents - she ship her pups everywhere across the country (my personal opinion ) - she breeds many breeds - she doesn't give any health guarantee or her quarantee for 72 hours or so, or tricky guarantee (like only exchange puppy):will you want to take a new puppy from a person, who sold you a sick already? - she sells pupps in 6-7 weeks - she advertises t-cup and breeds very tiny females - she doesn't ask questions about me, why I want this breed, what I know about this breed, where do I live, do I have a yard, do I have small children, etc, etc or I recommend because...: - she breeds for quality, not money - she has only one breed - she visit the shows - she doesn't ship across the country - she communicate with owner after puppy sold - her dogs are raised at home - she checks future owners/she doesn't sell to every house - she sells pups at 10-12 weeks - she shows the parents - she give a good health quarantee (sometimes even life quarantee for genetic problems with returning money back) - she doesn't advertise t-cup and do not breed very small females etc. etc. | |
11-30-2005, 09:40 AM | #30 |
I Love Thor Donating Member | Good Idea! I would read it. It is so sad to me but knowledge is power! |
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