Ethics

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

I just want to make sure that I understand correctly. Pictures of your dogs were taken from your site and put up on the Biewer Terrier Club of America website?

No. The BTCA has permission to use the pictures. They were given the pictures and ask to stamp them and not distrubute them by the person that owns them.

A person took pictures removed the stamps that were on them and is telling everone they are her revised edition.
WRONG
She paints herself, how would she like it if people went on her site and started taking her pictures and passing them around under

"artistic license in reverse"

There is no such thing as "artistic license in reverse" on stolen pictures.

[sierrapups]

Originally Posted by miezzi

How can you copyright pictures of dogs that arent't even your dogs to begin with???? And I find it quite interesting that you only come to this site when you feel the need for drama.....19 posts in almost 2 years! WOW!

Unfortunately, even though some of us would like to spend more time on forums our work with our breeding programs be it research, genetics, pairings, etc. keep us away. When an injustice is done by members of the dog community and they are being uncooperative then it has to be made public. This is not a "Drama" issue but a real problem that needs to nipped in the bud, as those that have been victimized by the Czech can attest. Although there are some that would come out against any issue that has to do with certain persons there are others that can see what right is right and what wrong is wrong. Thankfully there is a place where you can go to and get the support of the fair minded. When the BTCA published pictures of a Show Event some requested that their images be removed from the site. Even though the pictures were the BTCA's to do with what they wanted, they promptly complied and removed the pictures. What has happened to common courtesy?

[Pruett]

I agree Sierrapups . Mandy, I'm sorry that I don't have as much time to come on Yorkie talk as you do. I come here to share info that I think is important to everybody. Whether I come on once a year or 1,000 times a year, that doesn't change the facts being presented.

Obviously by the responses of some people the copyright laws were not known.
Would you allow someone to come into your home and help themselves to your possessions? There is no difference between that and taking pictures off your site. It is a real problem not drama.

The best author can only give a glimpse of what something looks like. We use pictures to portray the beauty of our dogs, something that we work hard to accomplish and are proud to display.

[3CrazyYorkies]

What would be acceptable to correct this situation ??????

[Catrina]

Originally Posted by sierrapups

I think everyone is missing the point...it is not who is the owner of the subject but rather the owner of the PICTURE. Everyone needs to read the copyright laws. If you take pictures of someone else's dog in a public place then you own the right to the picture not the person that owns the dog. That is how the paparazzi can take pictures of celebrities in public and be able to publish the pictures because they own the pictures. Thus Dagmar owns the pictures and has the copyright to them. She can then give permission to publish to anyone she wishes to or for that token not give permission either. It is very simple. If she requests or has someone request on her behalf to have the pictures removed from an unauthorized site then that request should be honored otherwise it is subject to litigation.
The same goes for the Czech site. He has absolutely no right to publish anyone else's pictures and should be shut down.

[txshopper73]

Originally Posted by Pruett

No. The BTCA has permission to use the pictures. They were given the pictures and ask to stamp them and not distrubute them by the person that owns them.

A person took pictures removed the stamps that were on them and is telling everone they are her revised edition.
WRONG
She paints herself, how would she like it if people went on her site and started taking her pictures and passing them around under

There is no such thing as "artistic license in reverse" on stolen pictures.

Thanks for explaining it to me!

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Thanks for explaining it to me!

Your Welcome.
All we asked was that the pictures that Carolyn touched up and revised of Darling and Fru Fru be taken off the forum and not used. They are under copyright protection.

[calaryn yorkies]

Did you never stop to think that Dagmar posted these pictures in the past on various forums to share months ago before she had a falling out with clubs who questioned her indiscressionary forgeries of IBC pedigrees? Like putting you on as breeder and taking the original breeder off the pedigree?

Those pictures were shared a while back. Now you, your club and IBC plan to hog them for yourselves, rather than share the Biewer History like many other Biewer lovers and breeders have done including Mrs. Biewer herself.

Now you come here and accuse me of stealing photos off your website. Liar. If you keep it up you shall be hearing from my attorney for public defamation.

You should seriously be ashamed of your selfish ways. This NASTY behavious drives people away from the Biewer world and damages the future of the breed. Shame on you. And stop the lies and DRAMA. GROW UP, please.

[calaryn yorkies]

I should add that this is not the first time Ms. Pruett has attempted to dafame a person on the forums or in clubs other than her own. I have just been added to a very long line of her victims of abuse.

She has sent threatening emails to many, I'm only her most recent, as far as I now. But time is short, and there will be many more, I'm sure.

I say to new readers, do not believe these lies. It's all Fabricated Drama to gain attention and a terrible attempt to ruin the reputations of perceived competition. What a shame.

Also, to new readers, I am embarrased that this type of behaviour is happening. Please know that the MAJORITY of people involved in the Biewer world are caring, polite, dedicated people who are helpful lovely people who would never dream of hurting another person. Please look to those people and try to look beyond this nastiness you see demonstrated among this small minority who are discontented and ambitious.

[sierrapups]

This could easily be solved. Just post the letter where you received the permission to copy and alter the pictures from the owner and it will all be over.

[SANDYSAND]

Take them to small claims court

[sierrapups]

If someone is going to claim defamation of character then they should not be engaging in the same type of behavior.

[sierrapups]

[QUOTE=calaryn yorkies;1388407]Did you never stop to think that Dagmar posted these pictures in the past on various forums to share months ago before she had a falling out with clubs who questioned her indiscressionary forgeries of IBC pedigrees? Like putting you on as breeder and taking the original breeder off the pedigree?

Those pictures were shared a while back. Now you, your club and IBC plan to hog them for yourselves, rather than share the Biewer History like many other Biewer lovers and breeders have done including Mrs. Biewer herself.

1. Do you have any proof and all the facts in order to make such an accusation such as "forgeries of IBC pedigrees"? Do you realize the implication of your accusation? Do you also realize what you are implying about the pedigrees that are being held by a great many Biewer owners?
If you do have an attorney it would probably be wise to contact him/her since it seems that you will be taking on quite a large group of Biewer owners.

2. If someone wishes to protect their interest it is not anyone else's place to force them to share with the world. It does not give anyone the right to take what is not theirs just because they don't think it's fair that "you have it so why can't I have it too."

[BamaFan121s]

Honestly, this childishness has gone on long enough, don't you think? I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked already because goodness knows it should be. There is a noticeable pattern developing here with some of these members. For the life of me I can figure out why anyone would think hashing this out on YT is going to solve anything. This is something that should have never been brought to this forum. If you're that upset about someone stealing your pictures as you claim they have done, then by all means take whatever legal action you think is neccessary, but keep the crap off here. I'd say probably 95% of the people here couldn't care less what happens in the Biewer world and don't care about the excuse that you are trying to 'defend your reputation' or that you are 'trying to expose people.' All that is being done here is a load of crap is getting stirred up.
I have to agree with the previous posts that said this type behavior does nothing but bring bad attention to a wonderful breed.

[Pruett]

Originally Posted by calaryn yorkies

Did you never stop to think that Dagmar posted these pictures in the past on various forums to share months ago before she had a falling out with clubs who questioned her indiscressionary forgeries of IBC pedigrees? Like putting you on as breeder and taking the original breeder off the pedigree?

Those pictures were shared a while back. Now you, your club and IBC plan to hog them for yourselves, rather than share the Biewer History like many other Biewer lovers and breeders have done including Mrs. Biewer herself.

Now you come here and accuse me of stealing photos off your website. Liar. If you keep it up you shall be hearing from my attorney for public defamation.

You should seriously be ashamed of your selfish ways. This NASTY behavious drives people away from the Biewer world and damages the future of the breed. Shame on you. And stop the lies and DRAMA. GROW UP, please.

Really, you should gather all the facts before making statements you know nothing about. I'll fill you in. I picked the sire of the litter(Manuela asked who she should breed Mauvie to and I said Mokway), I paid 1/3 for the dog, I picked the dog up, and I whelped the litter. I paid for my dog before it was born and it should have had my name on it when the registration was applied for. If people can't afford to pay for a dog and have to sell shares to get it, they lose out on certain privileges by doing so. I was able to prove everything I said and able to get a corrected registration. When you repeat a story without confirming the validity of what's being said, it is no more than gossip built on lies.

The falling out had nothing to do with pedigree's so open another thread and tell the truth of what really happened there.

When you posted your artist rendition on 9-13 of the Darling/FruFru picture a copyright noticed had been published and even if they were shared awhile back STILL DOES NOT give you the right to touch them up and tell others they have every right to use them.
If you would have answered your PRIVATE email concerning this matter it would not have come this far. It's your behaviors that have made the Biewer community what it has become. Everyone can go back and see where the BTCA has been under a constant barrage of criticism from other clubs.

We share everything we get on the Biewers. The history we have posted on our site along with pictures of the early dogs. Even little Mikey is using our history and sharing it with others. As we confirm other data we will post it also, so what do you mean we are hogging it?