Cesar Millan/Did he really kick a dog on camera?

[Ellie May]

That must be the right clip. It is difficult to tell how hard he is kicking but it seemed to push the dog over when they were by the curb. I don't like it at all.

[Yorkiedaze]

We don't assert our roll as Alpha dog either, but we have Yorkies who could care less who's in charge. I do however think that there are plenty of the "bully" breeds that should be kept in check for sure because most have a dominant nature. What is all boils down to is kind of like how we raise human kids. Each are unique in themselves, and we use a different approach with each one of them.

[fourdez]

I saw that episode.. he's not "kicking" the dog to hurt him. Its more little a strong tap, the dog is fixated and he is trying to break that fixation. Years ago we had an alpha dog who tried to run our house, when he was a puppy we thougnt it was so cute, but then it quickly got out of hand. One small example is; if he was laying on the floor in front of the couch and we wanted him to move, he would growl and snap if we tried to go near him, etc..etc, Believe me it was not pretty... It wasn't until a trainer told us that the dog was all mixed up, he thought he was the boss and that we had been reinforcing that belief by letting him get away with it. We needed to be firm with him, we had to show him that we were in charge not he. It was hard work and it took a while but it paid off, there was a big change in that dog . We had him for many, many years and we loved him to death.

Thankfully, I have not had that problem again, and I would never ever think of using that tactic with my babies now, it's not needed now. But, in extreme cases, it works...its better than getting rid of the dog..

[jacky]

he didnt kick the dog, i saw that episode. it was a light tap with his foot just to get the dogs attention. i watch evrey show and he has NEVER kicked a dog

[yorkiegirl83]

I am not a big fan of his methods for my family, although I do think that he does a lot of good for a lot of dogs.

I do use his "shh" and my dogs do know that means to stop what they are doing. I have tried using the "show leash" method he uses for walking and all it did was choke my dog so I have never tried it again.

Clicker training has helped us on a lot of levels with training. But I understand for more agressive or stubborn dogs, that might not always work.

[Txgurl06]

its funny because here on YT i have read some many threads about out of control yorkies and yorokies who try to bite and the one the YTers tell them is turn them on their backs and tell them no so you are showing them who the leader is lol and also some say to put them aove your heads in the air and tell them no.

but then on this thread everyone is saying they dont believe in the leader roll or alpha roll.

i like him and i watch him and a lot of people dont want their dogs runny them and want them to be well trained. i think his methods are true. It doesnt hurt a dog to grab that skin on the back of their necks that is what the moms do. i dont necessarly do it but im sure it works.

im not putting down YT but its funny how some of us only will admit or like things when its a convience for us.

[Txgurl06]

in that video of the bull dog it looks to me as if he is blocking the dog showing him not to go after the object its just like if you were to do it with your arm to block your dog real quick from gettin something and showing it that its bad to mess with that object.

[For My Coby]

[QUOTE=Txgurl06;1311223]its funny because here on YT i have read some many threads about out of control yorkies and yorokies who try to bite and the one the YTers tell them is turn them on their backs and tell them no so you are showing them who the leader is lol and also some say to put them aove your heads in the air and tell them no.

but then on this thread everyone is saying they dont believe in the leader roll or alpha roll.
QUOTE]

Good point. I think different people reply more to threads that are more in their vein of belief. I have had dogs that were followers and dogs that were leaders. True, if you've never had an alpha dog, there is no real need for "pack leader" training, and I'm sure that it looks ridiculous because you can't even imagine your baby needing it. Reggie, my current older one is a follower and there is no real need for any of that (except that he is getting crankier and more impatient with age). My previous female Yorkie was an alpha, and Coby is leaning in that direction. Those dogs do need leadership unless you want a spirited but obnoxious dog. As someone said earlier, it's very similar to children and their different needs and learning styles.

In Cesar's training, there are things that I truly believe in and that have been proven to be true in my household. There are also things that I take with a grain of salt. And I've said before, I think the Yorkies always give him a bigger challenge!

[LoveMyJake]

I don't know if he kicked a dog, but if he did, that would make me lose total respect for him.

I like some of his techniques and they DO work. But, there are others I don't like. I don't like that he says not to give affection unless they earn it and not to treat them like little people. We have spoiled the heck out of Jake, but he is still very well behaved and listens to us. He's not out of control or anything like some of the dogs he works with.

Also, there have been times when I've watched the show, and he will get the behavioral problems solved, but the dogs just don't seem the same to me. They don't seem as happy or something. Maybe it's just me.

[For My Coby]

Originally Posted by LoveMyJake

I don't know if he kicked a dog, but if he did, that would make me lose total respect for him.:

I agree. But I think I remember the show. With the skateboards? I wouldn't call it a kick at all. Granted, I would NEVER use my foot on a yorkie or other very small dog (and probably not on a bigger dog either), but I think it was a bulldog and a tap of the foot isn't going to hurt them. Also, you have to be very cautious using your foot on a dog. Dogs that have been really "kicked" in the past can suffer emotional trauma from that (had one). But if you notice, Cesar never kicks from the front. He takes his foot and crosses it behind his other leg, out of the sight of the dog. If done correctly, the dog, facing forward, shouldn't really realize where the "touch" even came from. That being sad, the foot "touch" isn't one of my favorite techniques. But I don't believe he hurt the dog at all in that show.

[txshopper73]

I hope that no one would ever kick a dog. However, if a large, aggressive dog were to come after me wanting to see what my liver tasted like or something, you bet your a$$ I'd kick it...but only to save my life.

[For My Coby]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

I hope that no one would ever kick a dog. However, if a large, aggressive dog were to come after me wanting to see what my liver tasted like or something, you bet your a$$ I'd kick it...but only to save my life.

LOL - Okay, let me rephrase my post - if one wanted to "see what my liver tasted like", I might try that too! Of course, Cesar would tell us that was not the right way, but..............

[Rae Rae]

Originally Posted by trini&coco

In this YT thread http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91028 Look at the link Lara2913 provided...I don't like that roughness to our little dogs. It's just not necessary

OMG I can't even watch all of that! I can't believe how he just picked that poor dog up by his neck! How cruel! Someone should carry that excuse for a human around by it's neck! The dogs didn't seem to get it either...I think I like that girl from It's Me or The Dog better If I had a trainer come to my house and do that to Rocky or Bella they would be kicked out ASAP, and they would recieve a peice of my mind instead of a paycheck, and I would try to prosecute them! I don't understand how that lady just sat their while he held her dogs like that

[trini&coco]

Originally Posted by Txgurl06

its funny because here on YT i have read some many threads about out of control yorkies and yorokies who try to bite and the one the YTers tell them is turn them on their backs and tell them no so you are showing them who the leader is lol and also some say to put them aove your heads in the air and tell them no.

but then on this thread everyone is saying they dont believe in the leader roll or alpha roll.

i like him and i watch him and a lot of people dont want their dogs runny them and want them to be well trained. i think his methods are true. It doesnt hurt a dog to grab that skin on the back of their necks that is what the moms do. i dont necessarly do it but im sure it works.

im not putting down YT but its funny how some of us only will admit or like things when its a convience for us.

IMHO-like you said about the neck thing "That is what the moms do" We should not! Moms do it when they are pups and when a dog is full grown I am sure it is not as comfortable. I would never let anyone grab my fur-babies like that. Especially not in the case of that video clip...The discipline he used to stop those dogs from barking was way too harsh.


I do believe in the "alpha dog" or "alpha role" in my fur-family, Trini is definately the alpha and it shows buut mine are all pretty well behaved. They all know I'm the boss but I treat them as equals always...

There are other less degrading ways to train a dog than to intimidate them or show them our superiority, that's all I'm saying. I remember reading a post from another YT'er a few months back saying that what helped her dog stop barking was to get a metal spoon and a pan and bank it every time the dog would accessively bark. I think that is a much better way to approach that situation. The dog in that clip looked scared into submission. <<<Not good Your dog should do the right thing because they want to please you not because they are scared what will happen if they do whats wrong.


I also want to add that in extreme cases it might be necessary to be slightly more aggressive, but when the dog is having an aggression issue. Like a child, the discipline should conform to the offense...but I am not the one to decide what others do, just giving my honest opinion

[Txgurl06]

great point! like i said i dont do it myself lol but hes trained and has helped many people.

Originally Posted by trini&coco

IMHO-like you said about the neck thing "That is what the moms do" We should not! Moms do it when they are pups and when a dog is full grown I am sure it is not as comfortable. I would never let anyone grab my fur-babies like that. Especially not in the case of that video clip...The discipline he used to stop those dogs from barking was way too harsh.


I do believe in the "alpha dog" or "alpha role" in my fur-family, Trini is definately the alpha and it shows buut mine are all pretty well behaved. They all know I'm the boss but I treat them as equals always...

There are other less degrading ways to train a dog than to intimidate them or show them our superiority, that's all I'm saying. I remember reading a post from another YT'er a few months back saying that what helped her dog stop barking was to get a metal spoon and a pan and bank it every time the dog would accessively bark. I think that is a much better way to approach that situation. The dog in that clip looked scared into submission. <<<Not good Your dog should do the right thing because they want to please you not because they are scared what will happen if they do whats wrong.


I also want to add that in extreme cases it might be necessary to be slightly more aggressive, but when the dog is having an aggression issue. Like a child, the discipline should conform to the offense...but I am not the one to decide what others do, just giving my honest opinion