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Cesar Millan/Did he really kick a dog on camera? I don't get NGC but I have watched some clips on his website. His techniques don't phase Ellie. She really needs positive reinforcement. Anyway, I was just searching online and someone said that he kicked a Bulldog on one of his shows (it ended up on camera), while saying, "I am not kicking him. Never kick a dog". I know that he has some good editors but does this stuff actually appear on his shows? |
I don't really like his training techniques I look at all my fur-babies as equal to me and a part of my family not that I have to dominate them and they all do respect me and love me just as much :p I didn't see the episode but I hope he DID NOT kick that dog, violence towards animals is never acceptable! |
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I know many like him and to each his own but I don't care for him and don't watch his shows...JMO |
I'd have to see him kicking a dog to believe it. I think he's great, and has solved a lot of heartaches for a lot of people. My friend who has an out-of-control JR has written to him for help. I hope she gets a response. |
I didn't see that episode; but I have seen him use his foot on the back leg of a dog that was giving its owner a fit chasing cars as they passed. He didn't kick it, just touched its back leg to distract it. I know he uses hard training on dogs to force them to becalm and submissive, but I think he really tries to wear them out; I have never seen him hurt one; even when he gets bitten. I didn't think his shows were live, and if they are not, he certainly would have edited out anything as bad as kicking a dog. I watch his shows; but he would hate me I'm afraid; My dog has me trained, and I love it.:D |
In this YT thread http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91028 Look at the link Lara2913 provided...I don't like that roughness to our little dogs. It's just not necessary :mad: |
I saw that link. I really don't have a problem with people holding animals by the scruff of their neck (reserved for growling/biting only) as long as it is positively not hurting them. I also use the alpha roll and it is also painless. I guess I am a big softy because I see trainers use choke chains and prong collars. I just don't get it. A regular collar is bad enough which I am starting to really have second thoughts about even for big dogs. Ellie wears a harness because of collapsed trachea risk but who in the world came up with putting something around your dog's neck and choking them to make them listen?:mad: Then people go a step further and jab prongs into their dog's neck. I just don't understand. If someone who reads this does this, I am not trying to offend anyone. I just don't see the sense in it. If I got a huge dog tomorrow, it would wear a harness, not a collar, and not a Genle Leader (don't even get me started on those). I must be in a mood today.:p |
I'm not sure that I buy into that whole "pack leader" thing with a little dog like a Yorkie. Sadie sleeps in my bed, walks through doorways ahead of me, sometimes eats before I do, etc, etc... BUT... I really think she knows that I'm the boss!!! At least I hope she does - although she does get away with murder cause she's so darn cute!! |
I don't know about the whole alpha dog thing either. I am sure that there is some truth to it but Ellie gets alpha rolled and does tricks before she is allowed to eat sometimes. She still thinks she is the boss. I had a trainer tell me once that she gets on the back of the couch because she is looking for height. I just think she likes it up there.;) |
I believe it's this episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTl7cq5qnmE I believe he use some of their fear to train them. I would't want to get kicked agai or pulled by the skin on my neck so i'll do what they tell me. Isn't that using their fear? I may be wrong |
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If you have never experienced this problem believe me there is such a thing. Yorkie's are no different than any other breed when it comes to being Alpha. I have been through it and it's not fun! It can start from nowhere and escalate into big problems if you do not take it seriously. Some dogs are mellow other's are leader's. It's the leader's who experience the Alpha position. It's not fun to see a little Yorkie get aggressive. This is the #1 reason dogs are found in pounds all over the world. People don't understand the concept of being a leader, or Alpha in the pack. |
He def. kicked the dog. Granted it wasn't hard. My concern with this technique is "how hard is too hard?" Who gets to decide how hard you can kick a dog and it still be OK? Some people would surely take it too far. |
As you will of read in the other thread, I am not a fan, there really is no need to use the techniques that he does. The only thing he taught the bulldog was that if you try to go near the skateboard, you will get kicked. |
Lucy is my first small dog. Having German Shepherds over the years since I was very young I can say that the alpha theory definitely does exist. My experience with Lucy however, has been very different than establishing who's in charge with my Shepherd fur babies. Having said that, Lucy and I don't have control issues. She looks to me for EVERYTHING. She knows I'm in control so she has to worry about nothing but playing and being a very happy girl knowing I will take care of everything. The flip side of that is that she IS looking at me for everything-making my responsibility to her and her happiness/wellbeing all the more important. Oh - I am not a fan of Millan. "This is the #1 reason dogs are found in pounds all over the world. People don't understand the concept of being a leader, or Alpha in the pack". I very much agree with ARCHIE... JMO |
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