JC Penney, Nordstrom and Macy's using dog fur??

[SweetCuteness]

Originally Posted by ARCHIE

faux fur coats from 'raccoon dog'

NEW YORK (AP) ? Macy's has pulled from its shelves and its Web site two styles of Sean John hooded jackets, originally advertised as featuring faux fur, after an investigation by the nation's largest animal protection organization concluded that the garments were actually made from a certain species of dog called "raccoon dog."
"First these jackets were falsely advertised as faux fur, and then it turned out that the fur came from a type of dog," said Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of the Humane Society of the United States.
Pacelle added that the issue is an "industrywide problem" and its investigation demonstrated that retailers and designers "aren't paying close enough attention to the fur trim they are selling."
Orlando Veras, a spokes- man at Macy's, a division of Federated Department Stores Inc., confirmed Friday that the retailer had removed the jackets, releasing a statement saying that it has a "long-standing policy against the selling of any dog or cat fur."

This is what I found on line.


Carol & Buddy

If this is true, then it's not the retailers fault if they were lead to believe that it was faux fur but turned out to be Raccoon Dog fur. It's Sean Jean's fault!! That disgusts me.

[KrystalDawn]

I realise that they're still in the dog family, but they're not dogs as we know em anymore than foxes or wolves are. It bugs me that the news sites keep calling it "Dog fur" because if that's all someone reads, they're gonna think
"OMG...pomeranian? " and be upset for the rest of the day...whether they like real fur or are against having even a scrap of it.
I'd wear fox...but not foxhound. Huge difference.

I just don't like that it said it was fake when it wasn't.
I like real fur, real leather, real suade...but loads of people are offended and they buy fake instead. Them buying fake and finding out it was real would be just as bad as me buying real and finding out it was fake. It's just as much a cheat, but with more hurt and disgust.
Not even talking about allergies. I wouldn't be surprized if that was the way they actually found out it wasn't fake.

To me, the whole thing (even though I joke about it being all Puff Daddy's fault xD) is just a byproduct of big companies using cheap overseas labor. If the coats had been made in the US, there's no way it would've happened.
Greed.

[SweetCuteness]

Originally Posted by KrystalDawn

I realise that they're still in the dog family, but they're not dogs as we know em anymore than foxes or wolves are. It bugs me that the news sites keep calling it "Dog fur" because if that's all someone reads, they're gonna think
"OMG...pomeranian? " and be upset for the rest of the day...whether they like real fur or are against having even a scrap of it.
I'd wear fox...but not foxhound. Huge difference.

I just don't like that it said it was fake when it wasn't.
I like real fur, real leather, real suade...but loads of people are offended and they buy fake instead. Them buying fake and finding out it was real would be just as bad as me buying real and finding out it was fake. It's just as much a cheat, but with more hurt and disgust.
Not even talking about allergies. I wouldn't be surprized if that was the way they actually found out it wasn't fake.

To me, the whole thing (even though I joke about it being all Puff Daddy's fault xD) is just a byproduct of big companies using cheap overseas labor. If the coats had been made in the US, there's no way it would've happened.
Greed.

I also wear real leather and real suade - but I do NOT wear real fur (or any fur for that matter). Killing an animal just so a person can look fashionable is totally unethical and inhumane IMHO.

[Shadow]

Disgusting here is the story.
http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles...00010000000001

[doortego]

I guess I am a real radical. I am against the killing of animals unless it is for food or a matter of human safety and health. In other words, I'm not against killing cockroaches, etc. I'm ducking here but I am against hunting for the "sport" of it.

[SweetCuteness]

Originally Posted by SweetCuteness

I also wear real leather and real suade - but I do NOT wear real fur (or any fur for that matter). Killing an animal just so a person can look fashionable is totally unethical and inhumane IMHO.

Just wanted to add that the animals that leather comes from are also used for food - which is why I am not against leather. So their lives are not being ended solely for the purpose of us "looking good".

[red98vett]

I agree this is way past fashion statements. It's saying it's ok to skin an animal ALIVE so WE can wear something soft.

They have been caught in China using more than the Racoon Dog - they found pelts from Golden Retrievers and other domestic dogs being labeled as FAUX Fur. This isn't something that our country should EVER import. WE ARE THE LARGEST IMPORTER OF FUR

Its sick and inhumane what they do to get ANY Fur.

Here are a few links in case anyone wants to watch and cry

These videos will make you want to throw up. so be careful if clicking the links - THEY ARE ALIVE WHEN THEY ARE SKINNED in some cases live more than TEN MINUTES after these FREAKING COLDBLOODED people skin them

WARNING GRAPHIC !!!!
http://www.furisdead.com/feat-dogcatfur.asp

THIS ONE IS REALLY AWFUL. They show the skinning process ...anyone who sees just ONE of these videos will NEVER WEAR FUR AGAIN !!!
http://justnicephotos.homestead.com/...lFurTrade.html

[Tinker'sMommy]

http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/index.html

THIS IS VERY GRAPHIC

This site alone makes me want to be vegetarian

I can't believe HUMANS do to these poor animals, who is the REAL ANIMAL
This site I found when I googled "raccoon dog" images It has every animal that continue to be EXPLOIDED by us humans

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by SweetCuteness

Just wanted to add that the animals that leather comes from are also used for food - which is why I am not against leather. So their lives are not being ended solely for the purpose of us "looking good".

Exactly. Perfectly said.

When we're talking about FAUX FUR - yes - REAL DOGS AND REAL CATS are being slaughtered in China for this cruel export business.

I get way over the top & apologise but it makes me physically sick to think of what happens to millions of animals that exist in cages so WE can wear it.

Back in the old days people needed to keep warm. That's totally different than the reasons we wear fur now. There are so many man made materials these days that fur should not be worn ....PERIOD.

[KrystalDawn]

It's personal preference, some people like real fur, some don't.

(And, frankly, I don't trust anything so-called animal rights groups put out. It's very convenient that they're able to get such quality footage. I dunno, maybe PETA's just soured me on the whole thing. It just makes me sick that when they see something that disturbs them -so- much, they don't have enough backbone to do anything except turn on their camera so they can put it out there for 13 year olds to see.)

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by KrystalDawn

It's personal preference, some people like real fur, some don't.

(And, frankly, I don't trust anything so-called animal rights groups put out. It's very convenient that they're able to get such quality footage. I dunno, maybe PETA's just soured me on the whole thing. It just makes me sick that when they see something that disturbs them -so- much, they don't have enough backbone to do anything except turn on their camera so they can put it out there for 13 year olds to see.)

Peta does get way over the top I agree....but the information they provide people is important....if it weren't for them & other activist groups - we'd have no idea what's really happening. While their methods to reach people can be radical and very dramatic - the cruelity is radical & dramatic....showing us what happens in other countries is educational - not to mention - many of these same horrible things happen right here and People NEED to know this.

I know the net has way too much for kids to see - but compared to all the porn they're exposed to - Peta and their videos are at least teaching them what really happens in the world.

[KrystalDawn]

More like propaganda. Not education.
Education is telling someone with little bias, what's going on.
Propaganda is "Oh. My. God. Your mom's a murderer because she serves you meat. Lookit the dead rabbit.".

No doubt some animals are skinned alive. I don't doubt it for a second...but Peta isn't doing anyone any favors. Not even helping the animals.
If they really wanted to help, they'd concentrate on saving the animals they take in. There was a trial over it not long ago. People that worked for Peta were taking in animals (from shelters...animals that were relatively safe) and putting them down in the back of a van and then tossing the bodies in dumpsters.
They only spend about 1% of their 40 some odd million dollar budget on caring for animals. And they're fairly open about their wish to -exterminate- certain breeds of dog. Pit bull terriers for one.

[red98vett]

You could be right. But this is about American stores selling REAL dog and cat fur so I guess I'll try to stay on subject - what amazes me is HOW can real dog and cat be mistaken for fake fur ???

Someone is allowing these companies to import clothes made from real fur and this should be SO against our laws and morals - not to mention our HEARTS.

We can hardly stop what other countries do - but we sure don't have to support it by importing it. if people didn't buy it - they wouldn't be selling it and killing millions of innocent animals in horrible ways.

[KrystalDawn]

Well...
There is some -nice- faux fur out there and it's getting better. People probably just didn't think anything about it when they saw it in stores.
But...if you mean when they were making it...
the people that actually stitched the coats together don't earn enough to question anything. There isn't a lot of job security in a sweatshop and they already don't make much.
Getting em imported though. I don't understand it either. They must only look at the finished product and not the materials (like picking one at random and taking it apart to inspect).

That's why I say, if they'd been made in the US, it wouldn't have happened. Not just because of the workers though. Any idiot can tell the difference between fake and real fur before it's made into whatever it's going to be used for. Fake fur comes on a roll like cotton or wool and usually has a cloth backing. Fur's still on the leather of the animal. Apart from the look, there's the smell, fake smells...fake. Real smells leathery. There's no way it would've got past any kind of quality control here. Not with them making -so- many of those coats.
Especially not on something like Sean John...

[MeganS]

This is disgusting. and I don't like that some people only freak out when they find out that it's dog fur. it's still fur, and the animal still suffers. The idea that an animal should die so that people can look fashionable makes my stomach turn.

However, I do wear leather. But like someone else said, those animals are used for food. Not just tossed aside.