"Speciesism: The Movie" -- Looks Like a MUST SEE for True Animal Lovers

[lynzy420]

Can I watch this movie online? I ordered the CD because I missed the screening in Buffalo but really can't wait to see it now. Anyone know?

[gemy]

Originally Posted by lynzy420

Can I watch this movie online? I ordered the CD because I missed the screening in Buffalo but really can't wait to see it now. Anyone know?

I went to their website Speciesism the Movie, and downloaded the video for $2.99

[lisaly]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

What really disturbs me about this and things like this being posted in this thread is that it seems/feels like you're lumping ALL animals rights/welfare people into the same big lump. As if every single one of them is a cookie cutter of the one next to them, as if we are of one mind.

Is that the way the we should also think of breeders? That one breeder is the exact same as a puppy mill breeder and so on? I wonder how the breeders would feel if we lumped them into one sloppy category and started posting things about what "breeders" beliefs are, at large. Do you realize how horrible that would appear, how outrageous? It's no different than how outrageous it is to lump us all together as if we're a bunch paint-throwing animal activists who desire an end to this and that.

Please, I ask that you don't think of me or anyone posting here in that manner bc I'm quite sure we have our own thoughts. This "Item #10" has never been and never will be my goal. It feels like some people are seeing an enemy in places where there is none here.

You have made some good points. These kinds of things are happening all over YorkieTalk, not only this thread. I think emotions are high now. I'm hoping more intelligent discussion will ensue once emotions settle down.

When I was learning to teach Philosophy for Children, the first thing we taught were All statements. We might not use those words, yet the meaning was still the same. I teach my students to try to avoid those kinds of statement, whether in life or in their multiple choice questions.

Ann is right that we may have beliefs similar to animal welfare, but that doesn't mean we believe all of the tenets. The same is true for animal rights. Not everyone who believes in either animal rights or welfare is an extremist. I believe it is the extremists who hurt the causes.

I have noticed over the years a disdain for breeders by some. I understand why people are very upset about people who are not breeding for the betterment of the breed, the puppy mills, etc. Again, I said some, but it's still upsetting to me.
I don't understand the reason for the disdain. I deeply admire reputable breeders who pour their hearts into producing well socialized, healthy, happy, babies with good conformation.

I am inferring when I say that people are getting hurt on this thread. I would love to see people really discuss things. It doesn't need to be on the open forum, but I believe there are good people here who have a lot to offer each other.

Ann, I'm sure #10 is not your goal, and I would doubt anyone would group you with a group of extremists. Your heart fills with such love for animals, and you are also quite loving with people. I'd love to see people come together so that we can understand these different viewpoints. It's okay to disagree, but perhaps we can broaden our minds a bit.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by gemy

Actually Anne I am not lumping Animal rights advocates along with Animal Welfare advocates. In fact I make distinctions between the two. And have quite clearly stated I support Animal Welfare.

The linkings provided arewhat Animal Right Activists appear to say about themselves and is what is quite readily available out there on the net. And their full agenda as published is available on a earlier post of mine. And this movie links itself to Animal Rights Activists.

In fact I have repeatedly stated I am an Animal Welfare advocate, but not an Animal Rights Advocate. I did not link the two together at all. In fact one has no reason to link the two together at all.

In another posting I linked and copied a partial 10,000 word of a 30,000 word intellectual look or inquiry into Speciesism. That one was from 1978 3 yrs after Peter Singers views can out. That one article gave me more to think about then this movie did.

Animal Rights Activists and Animal Welfare Advocates should never be used in the same sentence, as they are NOT one in the same, and to do so confuses the issue. The members that pledge allegience to each individual movement can not be lumped together. We both made it very clear we are Animal Welfare Advocates, and clearly do not confuse the two different movements or their own stated goals and agendas.

[yorkietalkjilly]

I'd be willing to agree with Lisa that every single member on this website is a died-in-the-wool animal-lover and animal advocate in some form or fashion. We gather here to enjoy the passion, respect and admiration we all have in common for animals, particularly dogs, but we discuss many subjects and it keeps this site more than interesting - it's addicting!

But I always wonder why some members here, when others disagree with their position in any debate on this wonderful site, seem to frequently take the position that the other party - never themselves - is being close-minded or stubborn - should they disagree on any well-known subject(s) without having checked out yet another article, book, lecture or media event on any well-known, well-covered subjects that have been in the public sphere for years, "hashed and rehashed" in many forums of our lives. Has anyone noticed how quickly that "close-minded" accusation is thrown around on Yorkietalk when good, otherwise intelligent people disagree?

Must someone take the very steps another member is urging before they can ever be allowed to rightly and justifiably hold their own opinions and beliefs on any well-known, well-covered subject in the public arena or might their own research and scholarship just as readily qualify them for holding opinions every bit as timely, informed and enlightened as anyone else's, having used their own methods and disciplines for investigation, systematic study and analysis of any subject?

I don't get the requirement to 'watch what I've watched' or 'read what I've read' or 'attend this lecture as I've done' and then I might allow you to come to your own opinion on the issues at hand, especially when the ideas and arguments are all so well-known by all but the exceptionally incurious. It's kind of insulting to presuppose one's own methods for gaining information and insight are the sole resources available on any of the many subjects we discuss here.

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Got this in my Inbox today from Mercy For Animals as there is going to be a Screening in my city, Phoenix -- and it looks like it will be REALLY good, important, educational:

Speciesism: The Movie - Official Website

"This documentary takes viewers on a sometimes funny, sometimes frightening adventure across the country to expose the darkest secrets of modern factory farms. It also asks the hard questions about our relationship to nonhuman animals and why so many people believe we are superior. You’ll never look at animals, especially humans, the same way again."

Think you'll see it? I'm all in! I think movies like this are so important as an impetus for future change in the way we view and treat our precious fellow non-human beings on this earth.

This thread has morphed in to what I don't think Ann meant to happen. She merely suggested the film may be educational, said she would watch it, and asked if anyone else would. I had to go back and read her original post to see and I have quoted it above.

I have my own feelings about the word love and how it is applied to animals and others have their own feelings. It is just the way things are. I see the word love tossed around a lot and I just think that it is too loosely used; but that is just me and how I view love. I am not referring to anyone in this thread or anything that has been said. I am merely voicing an opinion...I do not ever assume a person on an online forum has the same love for animals that I do.

Bottom line, yes, I plan to watch this film and draw my own conclusions. I am not going to assume it is this or that ... just going to watch it with as open a mind as I can.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by ladyjane

This thread has morphed in to what I don't think Ann meant to happen. She merely suggested the film may be educational, said she would watch it, and asked if anyone else would. I had to go back and read her original post to see and I have quoted it above.

I have my own feelings about the word love and how it is applied to animals and others have their own feelings. It is just the way things are. I see the word love tossed around a lot and I just think that it is too loosely used; but that is just me and how I view love. I am not referring to anyone in this thread or anything that has been said. I am merely voicing an opinion...I do not ever assume a person on an online forum has the same love for animals that I do.

Bottom line, yes, I plan to watch this film and draw my own conclusions. I am not going to assume it is this or that ... just going to watch it with as open a mind as I can.

Lol, yup, you have my intention correct...and I have to chuckle at what it turned into. My sole intent was "hey, this looks interesting for animal lovers, I'm gonna see it, are you?" -- and that was it! Had I known the results of posting and/or that it would bring people to such a state, I may not have posted it at all .

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On another note, I understand some people's desire to put a huge line in the sand btwn Animal Welfare and Animal Rights, however, you must understand that we interested in those things don't always draw the same line at all - and in fact, see cross pollination btwn both. Not all Animal Rights people are who you think they are, nor do they have the type of goals which have been put forth here. Maybe the important take away on that front is to be more willing and open to build bridges with those "activists" (for lack of a better word) from BOTH categories to learn where we have common and positive goals for change....you may find you both have many moderate goals in common.

I don't support extremism, nor do I support an end to GOOD/kind/humane breeding, nor do I shove my pescatarianism down anyone's throat (in fact, I cook meat for others if they want it), nor do I think anyone has to be a vegan to be an animal lover and on and on. Wait, I do support an extreme love of animals...so I guess I am an extremist after all .

[gemy]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

I'd be willing to agree with Lisa that every single member on this website is a died-in-the-wool animal-lover and animal advocate in some form or fashion. We gather here to enjoy the passion, respect and admiration we all have in common for animals, particularly dogs, but we discuss many subjects and it keeps this site more than interesting - it's addicting!

But I always wonder why some members here, when others disagree with their position in any debate on this wonderful site, seem to frequently take the position that the other party - never themselves - is being close-minded or stubborn - should they disagree on any well-known subject(s) without having checked out yet another article, book, lecture or media event on any well-known, well-covered subjects that have been in the public sphere for years, "hashed and rehashed" in many forums of our lives. Has anyone noticed how quickly that "close-minded" accusation is thrown around on Yorkietalk when good, otherwise intelligent people disagree?

Must someone take the very steps another member is urging before they can ever be allowed to rightly and justifiably hold their own opinions and beliefs on any well-known, well-covered subject in the public arena or might their own research and scholarship just as readily qualify them for holding opinions every bit as timely, informed and enlightened as anyone else's, having used their own methods and disciplines for investigation, systematic study and analysis of any subject?

I don't get the requirement to 'watch what I've watched' or 'read what I've read' or 'attend this lecture as I've done' and then I might allow you to come to your own opinion on the issues at hand, especially when the ideas and arguments are all so well-known by all but the exceptionally incurious. It's kind of insulting to presuppose one's own methods for gaining information and insight are the sole resources available on any of the many subjects we discuss here.

Jeanie I think that this is such an insightfull and well worded post. Thank you for giving me some more to think about.

I am bolding that particular part of your post to talk about, although many parts of your post I do agree with and or consider.

I really get what you are saying here, and it is such a very valid point. I speak only for me, but on some topics (of course not all topics), for eg: like is this dress cute, or should I have this leash or that leash, I like to see informed opinions. We all develop opinions, we are humans afterall. And you know the saying, opinions are like a*ss*ho*les we all have one. Personally I am very interested in what informs a persons opinion. Links to research to learned articles help me to not only understand their opinion, but also to expand my own learning/knowledge. Their experience the range and depth of their experience is also another factor, and obviously that can't be linked to anything publically available.

Thanks Jeanie for posting your thoughts, that has given me much to think about.

[gdaly]

I've been meaning to watch this. Glad I can rent it now. I've been a vegetarian for about eight years now. I'm also making the transition to vegan. Makes me sad how animal rights activist have a bad rap. I'm not sharing (some would say "pushing") my beliefs because I think I have moral superiority, but because I truly empathize and care for animals. I also respect others beliefs if they do eat meat. The only people I say comments to is family haha. Anyway looking forward to watching it, thanks for sharing

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by gdaly

I've been meaning to watch this. Glad I can rent it now. I've been a vegetarian for about eight years now. I'm also making the transition to vegan. Makes me sad how animal rights activist have a bad rap. I'm not sharing (some would say "pushing") my beliefs because I think I have moral superiority, but because I truly empathize and care for animals. I also respect others beliefs if they do eat meat. The only people I say comments to is family haha. Anyway looking forward to watching it, thanks for sharing

Great comments, thanks for posting. I feel as you do - that there is no moral superiority when doing things as a result of a love for animals, it's just simply something I need to do, can do, and am willing to do bc of how I feel about them. It's indeed very sad that animal activism is now made a dirty word, basically....when it should be something that is worthy and wonderful and meaningful.