He also said he was knited :sidesplt:

I KNEW that word looked wrong!!

Knighted!!!!! Jeesh!!

And there was me, thinking he was made of wool.....:p :D x

Geesh, interesting convos and sub-convos :eek:! Truly. Food for thought (wow, no pun intended there :rolleyes:).

Food doesn't cause diabetes, btw. Not in any way, shape, or form. There are many foods that are *bad* for diabetics. Also, being overweight causes diabetes -- and that's also where food comes in. So, we can't blame Paula's food for causing diabetes.

It doesn't bother me that she hid her diabetes, that's her personal and private information. She didn't get diabetes from her food, she got diabetes from those things that cause diabetes. If she was thin and got diabetes, I wonder if people still would try to blame her food, I dunno. I did lose respect for her when she did the drug company deal bc it appeared to me then that she first wanted to hide her diabetes (which is fine) until she could make money from it...then it seemed attractive to make public and it seemed kinda slimy.

As for the N word, it shouldn't be used - we've all been told of how degrading it is; and so, imo, it should not be used by whites, blacks, purples, oranges, whatever. I can't stand that for some, it's okay to use it - but not for others. You can't have it both ways bc it looks hypocritical. Not to mention if one uses it, it just encourages others to use it...why not shoot yourself in the foot instead?

Shinja, there's only 'one fat lady' now....:( And I'm not talking about me....:rolleyes: :D x

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I know one pasted a while back.. is the other still around? I have a video of the 10 best chefts (it is a little old) and they were no 10... and yes Paula Deen was one.

Yes, the dark haired lady passed years ago....she was the one who smoked and drank at the end of every show....:rolleyes:

The 'fairer' one is still around, but not really on tv very much as a chef (well at least I haven't seen her!). Were they really No.10?!!? May I ask who all the others are? I'd just like to see if I actually know any of them! :D x

You're half right. Food doesn't cause type one diabetes, that's genetic. However, type 2 diabetes IS caused by the bad fatty food we eat. I wish I was at home so I can dig up my health book and notes to quote from. Edited to add, I know a lot of thin people who have type two diabetes.

You're splitting hairs. Being overweight causes diabetes you say? Well how does one get overweight? By their food choices.

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Totally correct. Type 2 is not genetic, it's caused by bad food choices. Type 1 is genetic and both types do not afflict only fat people. And just like DvlshAngel here, my bff's DH has Type 2, and he is thin. His is bc of his massive sweet tooth. Also another friend's father has Type 2. He's extremely thin, but he loves to eat fried chicken and all kinds of bad stuff.

Food doesn't *cause* either type. Even bad fatty foods don't cause it. It's like saying water causes dehydration. It's the lack of water that causes dehydration. Food is a contributor to diabetes only if/when that food is abused / used in excess and IF the person is also genetically or otherwise vulnerable to developing diabetes. It's never just the normal use of food. Obesity is a huge factor, and obesity is *not* always caused by just food - sometimes it's solely caused by genetic disorders (often linked to Leptin etc). Type 2 can also be secondary to certain other diseases; it also can be caused/triggered/secondary to medications one takes (which is really the most tragic, in my mind). And btw, type 2 is also genetic, not just type 1. Type 2 is less vulnerable to genetics than type 1, but it's still about 10% influenced by genetics (and that's statistically meaningful). Thin people can have either Type 1 or 2. Many Type 1 brittle diabetics are often quite thin (but not always).

Like we learned in nursing school at length, pretty much all diseases (esp diabetes) is a matter of nature and nurture - in other words, genetics and lifestyle. In the medical world, none of us would ever say it's caused by food bc that's technically and medically incorrect. In layperson's terms, it's correct to say that food can be a *contributor* if abused and/or if the person is vulnerable to getting diabetes (which, btw, most of us don't even know until after the fact).

OMG no......at best, calling someone "FAT" is just hurtful, hateful, and insensitive. It certainly is not on the level of a "racial slur"......actually has nothing to do with race, so regardless of how mean spirited, insulting, denegrating, and humiliating the "FAT" person feels at being called that, they just need to suck it up....kind of like a debate I was listening to the other day...throwing the term "retard" around....kids always saying that in their conversations with each other....there again, not a politically hot topic, so no big deal.....except to the person they are laughing at and pointing at and calling a retard. But then where would we be if we deteriorate into a society that has "WORD AND PHRASE REGULATORY COMMITTEES" whose sole purpose is to seek out and punish people for saying words or phrases that, in the committee's opinion, are deemed inappropriate. You can not legislate morality.....where do we draw the line? I dont think I am "reacting" to this thread???? Just contributing, along with the many other thought provoking ideas......

No, it's actually not always by food choices at all. If you study obesity studies, you'll see that's not medically correct. There are genetic disorders aplenty where people eat a normal amount or even LESS, but are constrained by a genetic anomaly that causes them to be overweight regardless. They've found this sometimes has to do with leptin. Obesity can also be secondary to medications, other diseases. It's just not medically correct to say that being overweight is solely caused by food - that's really unfair to those where is not caused whatsoever by food. It causes a lot of prejudicial thinking, too, btw...but I'm not saying at all that you feel that way (not at all! :)).

Well, I don't think type II diabetes is caused by bad food as far as anyone knows but by the body becoming insulin resistant or the pancreas stopping producing enough insulin, though the disease is usually adversely affected by the eating much buttery, fatty, sugary foods, lack of exercise, obesity and probably even smoking and drinking alcohol. One might hope someone like Deen, who publicly promoted recipes containing hefty amounts of those bad ingredients, might begin to alter her public shows and recipe books to reflect the changes in diet and lifestyle she herself was likely making in her own life for a couple of years after her diabetes diagnosis but I guess that would have interfered too heavily with the public persona off which she had made her millions - the queen of Southern cuisine. And then after making her money off such ultra-rich recipes she promoted, she made more money off a diabetes drug, all the while royalties from those Southern cooking shows and recipe books still rolled in, too. Seems like she had it both ways.

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Absolutely correct Ann...but people that are not "fat" or "overweight" actually, perhaps subconciously....mayby not.....automatically attribute being overweight to over eating and no self control....."you are fat because you brought it on yourself....you have heart disease and diabetes because you are fat, because you over eat and have no self control...you brought it all on yourself....so you dont deserve any understanding or sympathy or even empathy.....you are a product of your own mouth and what you put in it". Talk about prejudice!!! This train of thought creates hate, disgust and prejudice against people that are overweight through no fault of their own or what they put into their mouths. What is so sad is since it is not prejudice based on race or religion, it is not important, it doesnt count, and it continues to run rampant. As medical professionals. all we can do is try to help people that are suffering with this disease (yes, obesity has now been FINALLY, through evidenced based research, been declared a disease) seek the needed medical attention they need to try to control the disease, as well as secondary conditions, such as cirrhosis of the liver, diabetes, heart disease, etc.

Well, now that we have fast food on every corner, super-sized portions served at most restaurants which heavily dot the landscape of most cities and towns, refrigerators and freezers brimming with food and candy and sodapop vending machines on every corner, most of America has stopped smoking and seemingly stopped walking anywhere and exercising, it is amazing all those hereditary and medication-related obesity plagues hit this country so suddenly!

Looking at old newsreels of America of even a few years ago - even just back in the 1980's, it is amazing how few people in crowds were overweight. Black and white newsreels from the 40's - 50's find Americans quite, sometimes shockingly thin, with only a rare plump person. Now when one looks at news footage of almost any crowd of Americans today, over half of them are quite overweight - even the children. And the number of morbidly obese people in crowds is ever growing. I think we have got to look at the eating and exercise habits as well as sedentary lifestyles to find our answers for obesity in America that has blossomed in recent years. I'm old enough to remember when checking out at the cash register did not find the area surrounded by candy bars and most people were slim. I have got to believe too much fatty and starchy food and too little exercise are America's main obesity factors.

I haven't read all of the posts and won't jump into all of the debates but have a couple comments.

I think Food Network was too harsh and swift in this decision.

I do not condone any racial slurs or name calling, however admitting that she maybe used the N word in 2007 does not make her a racist.

I enjoy watching Food Network, and especially enjoy the different personalities of different cooks, as well as their techniques. I don't have any favorites that I exclusively follow, and rarely cook as they do, but enjoy for entertainment value just watching them all. I love their enthusiasm for cooking and food.

I will miss Paula Deen, and what I perceive as her sweet, loving, Southern charm. She is somebody I'd like to have as a neighbor. I don't care about her weight, over use of butter, her health, or her wealth. I am impressed with her rags to riches life story, and her overcoming huge obstacles in her life.

Who are we to judge? Is there anyone on here who can honestly say under oath that they have never in their life uttered the N-word? And for those that have, does that mean you are a racist, and should lose your job and be shunned by the world?

As a society we all need to strive to be sensitive and respectful, and to do better when we know better. Peace begins in our hearts.

I don't think anyone here is calling her a racist because she used that word. And I, for one, can honestly under oath and standing before God say I have never used the N-word or anything like it. And I grew up in a time when many did, believe me! But it always seemed ugly and wrong and I knew how black people hated it.

I can. The word makes me cringe first and foremost because it is a slur, but it is just gross. It is like the word "fart" to me. I hate that word. Hard to explain. I dislike that people like Gwyneth Paltrow, who is besties with Jay Z and Beyonce, throws it around on her blog to try to be cool.

Agreed. I think anybody can judge cruelty and a complete lack of judgment. In fact, we should judge it in others and ourselves and change our ways if we have been party to similar behavior in any way.

I teach food nutrition in my food production classes. I tell my students there is not a "bad" food.... it is how it fits in your total food consumption. For example, being from the south I love LOVE biscuits and gravy, I have them once a year. That once is not going to cause heath issues... but if I made choices like that every day it would.

I do honestly and totaly belive many health issues are from poor food choices and fast food is a PART of our obesity problems in the us. I am chubby, I work not to get more weight - it is a constant struggle. I do feel so much better when I do make the right choices.

I think many of the fn chefs show food receipes that are not always the healthest.. what fun would that be lol

I agree with this statement by you. I don't use the N word nor do I agree with using it. However, one thought comes to my mind......Ye without sin cast the first stone. Society is quick to point a finger in certain areas but turn their eyes to others. She made a mistake. We all have. I guess I'm just more forgiving than some on mistakes since I know I have been forgiven for mine.

I agree with Shinja on the southern part. I don't think we can say all southern people use the N word because that just isn't true. I think some used it freely in the past but with a different meaning than it is used today. However, Paula Deen is not that old and she shouldn't have used it. But again I don't think she should be an outcast because of it. I don't use it and don't agree with the use of many of the slang words.

It is used like the word "retarded" is. I am a mother of a special needs child. I hate this word. But I still hear it in our society. :(. I politely ask there's on not to use the word. It's what works for me.

Paula Deen is a famous chef, and sh'e famous bc of her extremely fatty foods. She KNEW she had diabetes and however you feel that food does or does not cause the diesease, she still cooked that food, which is not good for her and people like her. She hid that fact from the public and her fans and only admitted to it AFTER she signed a lucrative deal with a pharmaceutical company. Then only after that did she lose weight.

And let us not forget, her deal was ending soon anyway. They didn't just out and pull the rug out from under her. Food network chose not to RENEW her deal. They are still letting her finish up her contract. Two different things.

True, but we are not famous celebrity chefs or public figures. When someone comes into the public eye, there are a lot more things that the public will want to know and talk about. Of course none of us are perfect. But we don't have millions and fans and people looking up to us. Even when I cook at home, I would never use a recipe like hers, with all that butter and sugar, I know it's not good for you, and I would not serve that to people I care about. And people know, I 'm not the healthiest person out there by far, and her recipes freak me out.

I do agree with you. You do need a different level of expectations when in the public eye. She knew better than doing it. So I do understand this point.

I wouldn't worry too much about Paula Deen. Society made her a multimillionaire and if she does her due diligence in making amends and her damage control is successful, society at large, though quick to point fingers, also often forgives the truly repentant celebrity fairly quickly and she'll probably get another fat contract to do a show on another network in time.

I would really be interested to know the percentage of people who have diabetes 1 or 2 that doesn't have anything to do with eating fast food or bad for you food. I know that's probably impossible to get that info, but it's really hard for me to believe that people with Type 2 don't have issues with food. Why are so many first to claim genetics and not their decisions.

Boy that's the truth. Lol.

It was not meant to be offensive. My Grandmother grew up in Mississippi and her Aunt who raised her grew up with that word and thinking is was just another word to describe black. She was anything but a terrible person and I am not saying all southern people are like that but I know for a fact a lot where raised not thinking it was a bad word and I am talking like people 90 years old, my Grandmothers aunt was slightly over that when she passed this year. I had asked my Grandmother about the word when I heard her aunt use it once and she said she was raised that way and not thinking it was a terrible word and that her mother and there sister was also raised that way.

I 100% agree with you!