Amy Winehouse is Dead

[jmdt]

Originally Posted by lovespandp

Wow, I am beginning to think that you are a very insolent person. I feel sorry for you if the person you are portraying is really how you are.

Don't feel sorry for me. I call 'em as I see 'em. I don't mean to be rude but that is how I see it. Don't be rude to me, I wasn't rude to anyone. Just agree to disagree and that's it. You are not going to change my opinion and I'm not going to change yours.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by jmdt

I do agree that it is a sad situation. But she created it for herself. Coming from a mother with 4 children, 21,20,16,and 13, I have been drilling my kids that drugs are bad... forever. I don't change my position, she chose to take drugs no one held a gun to her head. Now she needs more and more and look what happened. She should have never had that first one. Sorry still don't feel bad. I feel bad for people who have a disease, or die in an accident. A drug overdose is just plain stupidity and she never should have started doing it period. Obviously they don't care enough about themselves or the people who love them, to not start doing it in the first place.
Let's just agree to disagree. We are both entitled to our opinions.

Sure, just ignore my post.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by sugarmamma

Drug and alcohol addiction is a proven disease .

Absolutely, and I'm so glad the general public realizes it, it's hard enough to treat without the outdated notion of just blaming the addict/alcoholic and acting like it's a character deficit. Women still have more of a problem with the disease and treatment, because they are in so much denial and can't stand to admit to anyone they are an alcoholic. To anyone struggling with the disease, it isn’t your fault, and I hope you seek the treatment you need, there is help out there, and sometimes it can take many repeated treatments, but don’t give up. As they say it's a journey, not a destination.

[jmdt]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

There have been many very talented people in history who have gone far too young due to addictions, mental illness, etc. Van Gogh for example. Drunk on absinthe all the time. Jackson Pollock. Even Kevyn Aucoin the makeup artist died from Tylenol poisoning. Actually a lot of true artists/musicians I often times think they must have been high to come up with something that magical. But some people have real demons that they can't deal with, and they look for something to help. Some go to the doctor, some self medicate. While unfortunately some self medication can usually lead to self destruction. But there are some drugs that are legal and some are not, and we all know even the legal ones are dangerous.

Have you ever taken drugs? Have you ever been in such a mental state that you felt this was the only way? If not then I am very happy for you, but for many people, including myself, at the time, it feels like there is no other choice. Unless you have been there, you do not know. That place is very dark, scary, and lonely. Just like someone who has an eating disorder, it is something that you live with and deal with for the rest of your life.

If you truly didn't care why did you even bother to post in this thread? I read tons of threads on YT and other forums all the time that I don't feel I have anything substantial to add, so I skip it. I don't go posting "ah I don't care about this subject".

Hey I'm sorry if my opinion upsets you but I am entitled to it. I am sorry that a life was lost too soon, I'm just tired of hearing when someone dies that we should feel sorry for them because they could have gotten help or they should have gotten help "so sad". I just want to know where are all these people who care for these people and stand by and watch them self distruct and then I'm supposed to feel bad. What kind of message are they sending to our youth? Yes I know drugs and alcoholism are diseases but they are treatable not like cancer ot so,mething. I say if they want to kill themselves with drugs then by all means go for it, but don't expect me to be sad.

[AllDogBoots]

Originally Posted by jmdt

I do agree that it is a sad situation. But she created it for herself. Coming from a mother with 4 children, 21,20,16,and 13, I have been drilling my kids that drugs are bad... forever. I don't change my position, she chose to take drugs no one held a gun to her head. Now she needs more and more and look what happened. She should have never had that first one. Sorry still don't feel bad. I feel bad for people who have a disease, or die in an accident. A drug overdose is just plain stupidity and she never should have started doing it period. Obviously they don't care enough about themselves or the people who love them, to not start doing it in the first place.
Let's just agree to disagree. We are both entitled to our opinions.

Addiction is a proven disease that one is born with. I had an amazing upbringing with a picture perfect family. My parents drilled into me that "drugs are bad". At age 21 I laid homeless in the streets in the East Village of NYC. You better believe that I didn't choose that. I pray that none of your kids have to experience the disease of addiction. And I pray that if they do, you will not condemn them. I always cared about myself and my family. But once you are caught in it, you are stuck. I hope that you can open your eyes just a little bit more. One day you may be forced to.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by jmdt

I do agree that it is a sad situation. But she created it for herself. Coming from a mother with 4 children, 21,20,16,and 13, I have been drilling my kids that drugs are bad... forever. I don't change my position, she chose to take drugs no one held a gun to her head. Now she needs more and more and look what happened. She should have never had that first one. Sorry still don't feel bad. I feel bad for people who have a disease, or die in an accident. A drug overdose is just plain stupidity and she never should have started doing it period. Obviously they don't care enough about themselves or the people who love them, to not start doing it in the first place.
Let's just agree to disagree. We are both entitled to our opinions.

So did my sister inlaw and she has a son who is a heroin addict. She had no idea he was using. He was a star athlete in high school, held a full time job, was engaged to be married~until he ran his car into the side of a cement mixer on his way to work after passing out behind the wheel of his car. He was missing for 4 days in a hospital while they searched for his family. We were all shocked to learn he had been using since high school. His mother is still devastation that he is unable to stay clean. It is not a reflection of her parenting skills. This is evident from his brother who is a very successful professional.

He was a good kid that made a bad choice while he was in his late teens. That choice will forever haunt him for the rest of his life. Addition is very powerful. It does not know things such as love or money and once you cross over it will forever hold you in its clutches. It is so much more than you seem to even understand about the power it hold.

Please never say never.

[jmdt]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

So did my sister inlaw and she has a son who is a heroin addict. She had no idea he was using. He was a star athlete in high school, held a full time job, was engaged to be married~until he ran his car into the side of a cement mixer on his way to work after passing out behind the wheel of his car. He was missing for 4 days in a hospital while they searched for his family. We were all shocked to learn he had been using since high school. His mother is still devastation that he is unable to stay clean. It is not a reflection of her parenting skills. This is evident from his brother who is a very successful professional.

He was a good kid that made a bad choice while he was in his late teens. That choice will forever haunt him for the rest of his life. Addition is very powerful. It does not know things such as love or money and once you cross over it will forever hold you in its clutches. It is so much more than you seem to even understand about the power it hold.

Please never say never.

I didn't say never!! I don't know what the future holds so I would never say never.

I feel bad for you sister but he made the initial decision to take the drug in the first place. He made the choice.

[AllDogBoots]

Originally Posted by jmdt

I didn't say never!! I don't know what the future holds so I would never say never.

I feel bad for you sister but he made the initial decision to take the drug in the first place. He made the choice.

It's not a choice. Nobody chooses to become addicted.

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by jmdt

Don't feel sorry for me. I call 'em as I see 'em. I don't mean to be rude but that is how I see it. Don't be rude to me, I wasn't rude to anyone. Just agree to disagree and that's it. You are not going to change my opinion and I'm not going to change yours.

I do feel sorry for you, you think you know more than you do. If you have no exp with addiction or dealing with someone who has. I think it is rude of you to comment on someone that was an addict. I have someone very close to me that is in recovery and I take everything you said personal.

I also feel sorry for you if you ever have to deal with a person that has that disease. You apparently would not handle it well.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots

Addiction is a proven disease that one is born with. I had an amazing upbringing with a picture perfect family. My parents drilled into me that "drugs are bad". At age 21 I laid homeless in the streets in the East Village of NYC. You better believe that I didn't choose that. I pray that none of your kids have to experience the disease of addiction. And I pray that if they do, you will not condemn them. I always cared about myself and my family. But once you are caught in it, you are stuck. I hope that you can open your eyes just a little bit more. One day you may be forced to.

Wow, I had no idea, and how kind of you to share that with the people here, I'm sure you may have helped someone who feels too much shame to admit it. The disease is fast for some and slow for others, but most have no choice. I agree that people shouldn't be too judgemental, everytime I was, God taught me a lesson!

[jmdt]

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots

It's not a choice. Nobody chooses to become addicted.

Making the choice to either take the drug or walking away the first time you are exposed to it is a choice. The addiction part comes after you have to have it. Then you need more and more that's all I'm saying. Everyone comes out of the woodwork and feels so sad and sorry for a "celebrity" that has died of an overdose. Are you really surprised??? Like I said before everytime I've ever seen her on TV she has been strung out. I do think it is sad that those close to her probably like her crew or something enabled her and that she had to die because of it, that I feel sad for. I am sorry that she didn't get help. but again if she didn't do it that very first time she could never have become addicted. that's all

Someone on here before said that they knew she did drugs but didn't think it was that bad to cause her to OD. What??
Doing drugs is not ok period.

[AllDogBoots]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Wow, I had no idea, and how kind of you to share that with the people here, I'm sure you may have helped someone who feels too much shame to admit it. The disease is fast for some and slow for others, but most have no choice. I agree that people shouldn't be too judgemental, everytime I was, God taught me a lesson!

I'm rarely public about it but figure what the heck. I was one of the lucky ones. I believe it's about 5% who win the battle when they choose to fight.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots

Addiction is a proven disease that one is born with. I had an amazing upbringing with a picture perfect family. My parents drilled into me that "drugs are bad". At age 21 I laid homeless in the streets in the East Village of NYC. You better believe that I didn't choose that. I pray that none of your kids have to experience the disease of addiction. And I pray that if they do, you will not condemn them. I always cared about myself and my family. But once you are caught in it, you are stuck. I hope that you can open your eyes just a little bit more. One day you may be forced to.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by AllDogBoots

I'm rarely public about it but figure what the heck. I was one of the lucky ones. I believe it's about 5% who win the battle when they choose to fight.

I know the odds are pretty low, I didn’t know they were that low. For many, there are additional emotional problems that need solving and the alcoholism is only a symptom of a much larger problem. For some, it's a family disease, and the whole family needs treatment. So glad you were able to get the treatment you needed.

[AllDogBoots]

Originally Posted by jmdt

Making the choice to either take the drug or walking away the first time you are exposed to it is a choice. The addiction part comes after you have to have it. Then you need more and more that's all I'm saying. Everyone comes out of the woodwork and feels so sad and sorry for a "celebrity" that has died of an overdose. Are you really surprised??? Like I said before everytime I've ever seen her on TV she has been strung out. I do think it is sad that those close to her probably like her crew or something enabled her and that she had to die because of it, that I feel sad for. I am sorry that she didn't get help. but again if she didn't do it that very first time she could never have become addicted. that's all

Someone on here before said that they knew she did drugs but didn't think it was that bad to cause her to OD. What??
Doing drugs is not ok period.

Sure, I suppose you are right. I did choose the initial testing. But it's pretty hard when you've got the addiction part of your brain begging you. I'd say impossible for those of us born with the disease. I would think that, god forbid if you found out that I passed away from a heroin overdose, even after knowing me on a forum, you would have a little bit more compassion than you do now. It's not about being right or wrong. It's about humanity. And like I said before, I really hope your children don't make that first innocent mistake.