Ignorant College Student

[Deuce]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Ha ha, I love it!

What's she's really ticked off about is many professors grade on a curve, and her strong c- turns to failing when the Asian students marks are factored in, so now she has to go to the library, where she hopes she'll be hit be some sort of epiphany while reading about arguments and theories and "stuff". Oh and this isn't meant for her "friends," it's for random Asians she doesn’t know. Use "American manners"! Yes, Americans are so known for their manners worldwide. Why are the rudest people in the world always lecturing others about manners? I just hope this turns out to be a hoax, and their girl really didn't get into college. She gives big busted blonds a bad name!

I don't understand where people get the idea that Americans are the rudest people in the world (maybe from the French?). Everywhere that I've been to so far people tell me how much they love how polite Americans are. We just let them cut us in line, always apologize when we don't look where we're going and run into them, and usually respond when they ask us a question (in English anyway) Trust me, we are not the rudest people in the world at all, not by a long shot. I've been pushed, shoved, cut in line, yelled at (when I was not in the wrong), flipped off for using my blinker, and then turning the way my indicator light said I would , and not once have I heard an apology, usually they look at me like they're expecting me to apologize for their rudeness.

Anways, what she had to say could have been presented better, and she is just making herself look ignorant. I am curious what kind of disiplinary actions are going to be taken against her, if any.

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

I'm from South Florida too and I don't think the problem is adapting, it's more an artifact of convenience. Where I grew up, there was not a single place that I would go where everyone didn't speak Spanish. The grocery store workers, your local Wal-Mart, even the DMV etc. When my mother and father first moved here they both had different "career paths" so to speak. My mother was mostly a stay at home mom because raising her children was her top priority while my dad worked as a mechanical engineer for a company. To run errands my mother never needed to learn English. Also, because all of the teachers at my schools were mostly Spanish speakers, she did not need to learn English in order to communicate with my teachers about my performance in school. My father on the other hand because of the nature of his work and the clients, was forced into a situation where he needed to know English in order to communicate. When times were more difficult and my mom wasn't able to stay at home, she worked in factories, cleaning hospitals, etc all jobs that did not require English speaking skills. So, I now have two parents one who speaks English pretty well (my father) and a mother who partially understands English but does not speak it well. My mother is an extremely hardworking woman in the sense that when she couldn't afford to stay at home with me, she would work one or two jobs if necessary and gave it her all, but given the circumstances (and quite frankly lack of time and transportation) she did not have a chance to devote her time into learning English. Especially since she never struggled with not knowing it. So, what I'm trying to say is that I think most people are rational and will do what is necessary to thrive. Because Miami has such a large Spanish speaking community they do not find it to be necessary to speak the language. I think that given the choice if learning the language was costless (in other words you were exposed to the language on a daily basis in your surrounding area) most South Floridians would speak English fluently. I don't think not knowing speaking English is a way to reject American culture, it's just an artifact of the neighborhood and surrounding communities. If my family had moved to another city I'm pretty sure that both my mother and father would speak English well.

I agree and disagree. I am glad to see your perspective.. and I really and truly did not mean any offensive in my post. I often wonder what would happen to me if we moved to an non English speaking country. I think when you are older it is harder to learn a second language. I agree it is human nature to gravitate to people who speak your language and are similar- I could see myself being like your mother - but I do love foods of other cultures and like to learn how to prepare. I also think many families moved to usa BECAUSE it was what they either needed to do or HAD to do for their families not because they wanted to leave their homes. I admire families like yours - I hope you feel you have a better life because of your parent's choices.
BUT... there is another side... I have had people rude to me because I don't speak Spanish. I used to apologize.. I really don't know what to feel anymore. I have been told I should learn Spanish. I agree to the point it would make me a more "learned" person. It would help me when traveling. Otherwise I find that a bit offensive. I get by.. most people help each other.. I commutate with neighbors with my limited Spanish and their English we have a lot of fun!!
Sadly .. I am not very good at learning languages and even worst is learning the "slang" One time I asked a male student (remember I teach food production) if he washed his Huevo -- not a good day
I find by the second or third generation it is not an issue anymore. For example... my dh is second generation Swedish .. only words he knows is "jummin Jimminey" (don't ask ?>????)
Like I said before... we all can trace our roots back to another country.


But I guess I got a bit off the subject of the op

I think there are three issues in this thread

A.) What the girl is saying - her message
B.) Her right to say what she is saying
C.) How she is getting her message across

lol-- we could have three different heated threads
My friends alway said I should have been in debate... I can think of several arguments or supportive fact pro and con on each of the above.
Sadly some of the subjects are too heated and people get upset if you don't share their views.

I alway say three things you should be careful about if you want to keep friends:

A.) NEVER tell a woman how to raise her children (or maybe yorkies )
B.) Religion
C.) Politics

[Deuce]

Originally Posted by Jennxling

Well, this happened to my classmate today...after the video had gone viral...

"so i'm sitting at a starbucks in beverly hills and my mom calls.. as i'm wearing my UCLA sweater and talking in vietnamese.. this idiot says from a distance 'chingchonglinglongtingtong'.. are you freakin' serious? THIS VIDEO IS GOING TO HAUNT ME FOREVER. -__________-"


So she has the right to say whatever is on her mind and other students have to go through something like this because of her...?

I'm so sorry for your friend...She should have confronted that person, usually they freak out when confronted about their idiocy.

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by Deuce

I don't understand where people get the idea that Americans are the rudest people in the world (maybe from the French?). Everywhere that I've been to so far people tell me how much they love how polite Americans are. We just let them cut us in line, always apologize when we don't look where we're going and run into them, and usually respond when they ask us a question (in English anyway) Trust me, we are not the rudest people in the world at all, not by a long shot. I've been pushed, shoved, cut in line, yelled at (when I was not in the wrong), flipped off for using my blinker, and then turning the way my indicator light said I would , and not once have I heard an apology, usually they look at me like they're expecting me to apologize for their rudeness.

Anways, what she had to say could have been presented better, and she is just making herself look ignorant. I am curious what kind of disiplinary actions are going to be taken against her, if any.

I agree Thank you for saying that!!
I have traveled a little bit... the rudest people I have been in contact on my travels have NOT been Americans. I find most Americans are polite, hold doors say hello etc... the bigger cities maybe not

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by Jennxling

Well, this happened to my classmate today...after the video had gone viral...

"so i'm sitting at a starbucks in beverly hills and my mom calls.. as i'm wearing my UCLA sweater and talking in vietnamese.. this idiot says from a distance 'chingchonglinglongtingtong'.. are you freakin' serious? THIS VIDEO IS GOING TO HAUNT ME FOREVER. -__________-"


So she has the right to say whatever is on her mind and other students have to go through something like this because of her...?

I don't think the mistreatment of your friend is due to this video.. The people who would be that mean to her had those thought and feelings long before this video went viral. The more it is spread and shown the more effect it will have.

anyway.. that is my thoughts

[OwnedByJezebel]

I don't think UCLA should punish her, first amendment and all that. If they did, there would be lawyers lining up to represent the girl for a big payout.

That being said, she IS going to pay for doing this. I predict she will pay a very hefty price for showing the world how stupid she is. Everyone on campus is going to know who she is and she will be shunned. Any potential employer is going to find the video, and it will be difficult to find a job after graduation. Hope she likes flipping burgers. Even though she has freedom of speech, there are consequences.

There are rebuttal videos out now. Here is one. He chooses humor as his weapon:

YouTube - White girls in the library

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel

I don't think UCLA should punish her, first amendment and all that. If they did, there would be lawyers lining up to represent the girl for a big payout.

That being said, she IS going to pay for doing this. I predict she will pay a very hefty price for showing the world how stupid she is. Everyone on campus is going to know who she is and she will be shunned. Any potential employer is going to find the video, and it will be difficult to find a job after graduation. Hope she likes flipping burgers. Even though she has freedom of speech, there are consequences.

There are rebuttal videos out now. Here is one. He chooses humor as his weapon:

YouTube - White girls in the library

If UCLA chooses to punish her in any way, they have the right to do so. Whe a student accepts to attend any school in the UC system, they agree to abide by the UC code of conduct. If UCLA finds this girl violated the UC or UCLA's code of conduct, the girl is violating a contract. So what you're saying is it's ok to violate the university's rules, which is a contract we students enter with the university, that every student agrees to, as long as we (students) claim it's our first amendment right to do so? I'm just asking, because everyone seems to forget that little part. Every school has it's rules that students must follow. Upon review, if UCLA finds this video to be in direct violation of the student code of conduct, it will be up to them to figure it out. This girl can always appeal. If anything, I think this video will have the UC Regents review and alter the student's code of conduct to include problems that can and have come to be due to social networking on he Internet.

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by Lil Sis

BUT... there is another side... I have had people rude to me because I don't speak Spanish.

LOL my sister in law works in the flower dept of a Winn-Dixie, and a customer was rude to her because she does not speak nor understand Spanish. My sister in law is American and has no Spanish heritage. But this is an area of Orlando which is highly Hispanic populated.

[ErinsWhitney]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

LOL my sister in law works in the flower dept of a Winn-Dixie, and a customer was rude to her because she does not speak nor understand Spanish. My sister in law is American and has no Spanish heritage. But this is an area of Orlando which is highly Hispanic populated.

I used to work at a theme park here and I had a guy walk up to me and start speaking to me in Spanish. I know some, enough to get the jist of most general conversations, but I understand more than I speak so I told him "I'm sorry, I don't speak Spanish." He gave me a nasty look, called me bad name, then walked off speaking English! Ok I know I'm pretty tan (lol), but I'm not hispanic. I've struggled with a prejudice on the subject ever since.

And in regards to the OP, that ditz just secured her mediocre future. She has done more harm to herself than any dean could ever accomplish, and it will haunt her for the rest of her life.

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by Lil Sis

I agree and disagree. I am glad to see your perspective.. and I really and truly did not mean any offensive in my post. I often wonder what would happen to me if we moved to an non English speaking country. I think when you are older it is harder to learn a second language. I agree it is human nature to gravitate to people who speak your language and are similar- I could see myself being like your mother - but I do love foods of other cultures and like to learn how to prepare. I also think many families moved to usa BECAUSE it was what they either needed to do or HAD to do for their families not because they wanted to leave their homes. I admire families like yours - I hope you feel you have a better life because of your parent's choices.
BUT... there is another side... I have had people rude to me because I don't speak Spanish. I used to apologize.. I really don't know what to feel anymore. I have been told I should learn Spanish. I agree to the point it would make me a more "learned" person. It would help me when traveling. Otherwise I find that a bit offensive. I get by.. most people help each other.. I commutate with neighbors with my limited Spanish and their English we have a lot of fun!!
Sadly .. I am not very good at learning languages and even worst is learning the "slang" One time I asked a male student (remember I teach food production) if he washed his Huevo -- not a good day
I find by the second or third generation it is not an issue anymore. For example... my dh is second generation Swedish .. only words he knows is "jummin Jimminey" (don't ask ?>????)
Like I said before... we all can trace our roots back to another country.


But I guess I got a bit off the subject of the op

I think there are three issues in this thread

A.) What the girl is saying - her message
B.) Her right to say what she is saying
C.) How she is getting her message across

lol-- we could have three different heated threads
My friends alway said I should have been in debate... I can think of several arguments or supportive fact pro and con on each of the above.
Sadly some of the subjects are too heated and people get upset if you don't share their views.

I alway say three things you should be careful about if you want to keep friends:

A.) NEVER tell a woman how to raise her children (or maybe yorkies )
B.) Religion
C.) Politics

I was not at all offended, I just like sharing my experience. And I think the takeaway point is that some people are JUST RUDE!

[roseylovestosho]

I just think a lot of people spend too much time relating experiences about a specific "type" of person being rude to them, when in fact it's just people who are rude. There is no blanket race/ethnicity that is prejudiced against another group. There are just people that are rude in general, and this is what I wish people would pay more attention to, instead of trying to create a typology or "trend" of what "type" of person is saying what.

[Lil Sis]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

I was not at all offended, I just like sharing my experience. And I think the takeaway point is that some people are JUST RUDE!

I think we are all the same just a different way of getting there. My mom raised me to believe God made us all...
I like that you shared your experience, that is a way of understanding different experiences!!!! Same way I shared mine. Both the good and the bad.

What I don't like about the youtube video... it has opened a lot of wounds and doors to more hateful speech . IDK maybe it is needed but it makes me uncomfortable

After this last week on Yt.. I don't want to ever see hear or say the word RUDE again..

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by roseylovestosho

I just think a lot of people spend too much time relating experiences about a specific "type" of person being rude to them.

I used to hear stories of how New Yorkers are rude people. I had to laugh years ago when I heard a story of a postcard reaching its destination. The postcard had been picked up off the floor of a bus station in New York. The sender was saying how rude he/she found New York people to be.
When it reached its destination, added to the message was "mailed by a rude New Yorker"

Now, from personal experience I did find one thing I heard about New Yorkers to be true - they are crazy drivers!
My New York friend scares the living daylights out of me when she drives.
We would be going down US1 and she would realize we had passed the place we wanted to be. Now if I had been driving, I would have found a place where I could turn around, but Harriet just did a U-turn right on US1 - which is a fairly busy road. She couldn't understand why I was clinging on to the door strap for dear life.

[roseylovestosho]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

I used to hear stories of how New Yorkers are rude people. I had to laugh years ago when I heard a story of a postcard reaching its destination. The postcard had been picked up off the floor of a bus station in New York. The sender was saying how rude he/she found New York people to be.
When it reached its destination, added to the message was "mailed by a rude New Yorker"

Now, from personal experience I did find one thing I heard about New Yorkers to be true - they are crazy drivers!
My New York friend scares the living daylights out of me when she drives.
We would be going down US1 and she would realize we had passed the place we wanted to be. Now if I had been driving, I would have found a place where I could turn around, but Harriet just did a U-turn right on US1 - which is a fairly busy road. She couldn't understand why I was clinging on to the door strap for dear life.

[ErinsWhitney]

Originally Posted by Beamers Mom

I used to hear stories of how New Yorkers are rude people. I had to laugh years ago when I heard a story of a postcard reaching its destination. The postcard had been picked up off the floor of a bus station in New York. The sender was saying how rude he/she found New York people to be.
When it reached its destination, added to the message was "mailed by a rude New Yorker"

Now, from personal experience I did find one thing I heard about New Yorkers to be true - they are crazy drivers!
My New York friend scares the living daylights out of me when she drives.
We would be going down US1 and she would realize we had passed the place we wanted to be. Now if I had been driving, I would have found a place where I could turn around, but Harriet just did a U-turn right on US1 - which is a fairly busy road. She couldn't understand why I was clinging on to the door strap for dear life.

You may have just described my driving.